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== The Bourne Identity ==
I'm more than a bit confused here, so perhaps you can explain --and justify-- your decision to remove my changes to the "Basilisk" section and revert it back to its former condition. The rationale that you have used --unsourced, overdetailed and non-encyclopedic-- strikes me as, well, unfounded. To say the least. Let's see, the entry for "Cold Drake" uses 803 words, and reads like a short story. But that's acceptable? While the current --and reverted-- section for Basilisk ignores three-quarters of the description of the creature.
Hi, I just wanted to say that I re-added the note on '']'' with proper citation. Apologies for the oversight.
] (]) 13:40, July 9, 2024 (UTC)
:No problem! You might want to look at the article text as well (I'm about to step away from my PC for a bit, but if you'd rather I take a look, reply here); I think it mentions the same info you added, but it's worded differently and potentially inconsistently to what you added. Cheers! <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 13:51, July 9, 2024 (UTC)</small>


== The Bourne Supremacy ==
But that's acceptable and appropriate, eh? Because the entry is 100% accurate to the books, that makes it "unsourced", and because a 173 word description renders it "overdetailed" (especially compared to a 803 one).


Hi. Thanks for your message explaining why you removed the entry for Albert Finney appearing in '']'' as Dr. Albert Hirsch. I thought Albert Finney appeared in a cameo in that film, but after checking again, I don't think it was him.
I don't often edit Wiki articles, and only do so if I feel I'm actually making a correction and/or contribution. So I stand in awe of your decision, and eagerly wait with bated breath for your explanation regarding the decision to delete my edit.


Would you prefer I add a note to the talk page for The Bourne Supremacy if I make further changes? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 06:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
] (]) 20:11, 18 May 2012 (UTC)Masterius
:I think you're thinking of the third film rather than the second, but I haven't seen them in a very long time either.
:] - that I edited your content and not other content within the article is in no way a comment as to whether that other content is appropriate for inclusion. Similarly, that material is included in a Misplaced Pages article should not be used to justify the addition of further material, as it could be that the original material is inappropriate for inclusion.
:I don't feel a need for you to check before making further changes personally. My biggest advice to new editors is just not to take it personally if your edits are reverted (as you didn't do here). Misplaced Pages has a lot of policies and guidelines, and it's very easy to accidentally violate them, and it's not a reflection on you. Hopefully the reverting editor will leave an explanation as I did, but many fail to do so. Thank you for your offer to raise any further edits at the Talk page though. I hope you have a happy holiday season! ] (]) 04:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
:If the information you added is accurate to the books, then ] it to the books.
:Also, it appears that you may be adopting an unnecessarily abrasive tone in your final comments. I am not certain what you would wish to accomplish by doing so, but I would certainly be curious to find out. ] (]) 20:18, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
:Not sure why you brought the matter here if you were going to raise it at the article's Talk page almost simultaneously. I imagine it would be best to continue any discussion there, however. ] (]) 20:36, 18 May 2012 (UTC)


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Since an IP doesn't 'own' their talk page, they cannot remove their own warnings regardless of their editing restrictions. However, I'm not going to edit war with you to restore them. I'm just going to block the IP on sight the next time they step out of line. Regards, ] (]) 13:57, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
:] appears to me to be saying that IP editors are free to remove warning messages (though not active block messages), though perhaps I missed something? Anyway, I agree that if they do act up again a block would be reasonable. Cheers. ] (]) 14:20, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
::Hmm, looks like Luna Santin added the part about IPs in 2008 (!). So perhaps they are allowed. I certainly wouldn't block them for removing the warnings, but at the same time I'm usually inclined to restore them once after the blanking. ] (]) 14:34, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
:::Yeah, warning-removal is certainly not a blockable offense AFAIK, but I'll be the first to say that it sometimes looks like an editor (IP or otherwise) is trying to hide the fact that they received a warning. Now if they were actually ''modifying'' the warning, that would be a different matter, since that would constitute refactoring someone's words, which is a no-no (even if their words came from a template). ] (]) 15:09, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

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I re-revised the edit you reverted, rationale is on the article's talk page. What do you think? ] (]) 23:12, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
:Hi Ellsworth, thanks for getting in touch. No problem with your edits per se this time around, but I did feel the synopsis was overly-long in general and have trimmed it by about 100 words. While there aren't specific word count guidelines for novels, in this case the film guideline of 400-700 words seemed appropriate; after my cuts the synopsis is still almost 800 words, but I think that's okay. I wouldn't mind if it was longer as long as the additions are material that is critical to understanding the plot. Cheers. ] (]) 12:56, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

== Delta PHX-CVG ==

The flight is no longer bookable on delta.com. ] (]) 17:36, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
:Hm. I'd much prefer an actual source be provided (press release?), but I won't press the matter, though I'd understand if someone else did. ] (]) 18:16, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
::Went ahead and dug one up myself. ] (])

== Wes Anderson page Vandalism ==

Doniago: the Wes Anderson page vandalism is still going on. How do we proceed to get the name portion of his page locked? please see below our exchange from November 2010, these purposefully malevolent changes have serious repercussions as they end up in the press. Please help and please advise.


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Discussion from November 2010:


== I’d like some help please ==
Wes Anderson page is constantly vandalized by user with IP addresses in Illinois (75.57.191.220)(75.57.175.50)(71.201.120.78) changing middle name to "Mortimer" this needs to be stopped as is not factual information. What more can be done than just constantly "reverting" the info back?81.64.38.94 (talk) 06:00, 4 November 2010 (UTC)


Hey man it’s me again, I don’t necessarily wanna keep annoying you with stuff like this everytime it happens but for the past few weeks another genre war has been going on between me and this unnamed user for presence (2025) steven soderberghs new film, I’ve been trying to keep it as psychological thriller (since it’s also shown on the categories list too and allmovie has it labeled as one) but this dude keeps changing it to horror, and when I tried to revert my edit, he just completely got rid of every genre, I don’t necessarily know what to do and I think it’s best for now to just keep it to way it was before, not every film that looks creepy is gonna be a horror, literally ] (]) 03:37, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
Warn them, as a start. If they keep it up they'll eventually get blocked. WP:3RR may also be applicable. If you believe the 3 IP's are definitely related, you may want to look into WP:SOCK as well. As it's just a minor vandalism I wouldn't get too riled up over it, just make sure the edit's being undone and the IP's getting incremental warnings. Eventually they'll get tagged for it one way or another. Cheers. Doniago (talk) 14:52, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, this has been going on for over a year. The IP addresses are hardly ever the same. I represent the living person in question and this false information is finding it's way into press articles and even a recent book, I think we are right to be "riled up" as this is ongoing and is a cause of distress for the person in question. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.64.38.94 (talk) 15:16, 4 November 2010 (UTC)


:Hi there! Thanks for reaching out to me with your concern. In the interest of avoiding the appearance of ], my first suggestion would be that you initiate a conversation at the article's Talk page and see whether a ] emerges. It may not be the consensus you want, but you seem to have valid reasons for your genre preference (though AFI or BFI is often considered a better source than AllMovie), and the best thing you can do is establish that you are trying to resolve this dispute and welcome a discussion of the concerns that editors may have. Hope this helps! ] (]) 17:54, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the problem with an encyclopedia that anyone's allowed to edit is that anyone's allowed to edit it. You could try asking for page protection, but if you're going to do that you should be prepared to prove that this same vandalism has been occurring repeatedly from multiple IP editors for a prolonged period of time. I'm not sure how difficult it is to get this protection, objectively speaking. As for it showing up elsewhere, it's rather unfortunate that anyone would consider unsourced material on Misplaced Pages to be reliable...I certainly don't. Please feel free to come to me with any other questions/concerns. (smile) Doniago (talk) 15:23, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
] (]) 15:16, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
:Looking at the page history I only saw one recent instance of this possible vandalism, and it was recent enough that any editor could undo it, which kind of makes me wonder why you didn't do so yourself? I have reverted the edit and given the IP a warning about adding unsourced material, which is something you could also do yourself. If the same IP continues to add unsourced information they should receive appropriate warnings and perhaps be blocked. If multiple IPs begin adding the same information repeatedly, I would request that the page be protected at ], but one incident after several months of quiet doesn't meet the qualifications for protection. Please let me know if you have any other concerns. Cheers. ] (]) 16:09, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


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== The Mask Of Zorro ==
==Michael Scott==
I removed the section, because it quotes an article from 2006. It's not relevant. I didn't know I had to specify on the talk page, but will do some from now on, and will be removing it again. ] (]) 21:34, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
:No need to note it on the Talk page, just make sure you provide an ] when you remove it. Thanks for clearing things up! ] (]) 21:48, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


Just want to express a sincere thanks in helping me to defend "The Mask Of Zorro" from IP Hoppers. Keep in mind, this particular person opens up a new place to make an attempt to revert to the same old edit.
== Rescue 911 ==


Evidence: "The Deep But Unrequited Love" part I dislike, that shows it's the same guy.
I want ] to be blocked from any unregistered users. Someone has been using different IP address has been keep on posting a story about one of the deaths in an unaired episode that is never proven that it was filmed or the event of it occured. So please, tell someone on wikipedia to block that page from unregistered users. ] (]) 22:02, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
:You can ask for protection at ]. ] (]) 22:45, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


Either way, thanks for keeping an eye on it. ] (]) 21:24, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
== Goth talk page undo ==


:You're welcome! If at any point you feel it's become particualrly bad again, you're welcome to reach out to the admin who previously assisted us at the Talk page, ideally by ]ing them there. ] (]) 04:17, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi Doniago


== Feedback request: Media, the arts, and architecture request for comment ==
Having reviewed what I actually wrote, I can see why you regarded it as discussion of the topic rather than development of the article.


]Your feedback is requested &#32;at ]. Thank you for helping out!<br/><small>You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of ] subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by ].</small> <!-- Template:FRS notification --><div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> Message delivered to you with love by ] :) &#124; Is this wrong? Contact ]. &#124; Sent at 16:30, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
However, if I may quote in my own defence from my second sentence:
"I don't consider myself competent to add anything to the article, but would like to request one or more of those who could, to tell us something more about Goth psychology, or a belief system...."

In other words my contribution to the talk page was *intended* to be a request for expansion of
the article in a specific area. I then went on to suggest some possible focus areas, with the idea of clarifying my request by giving examples.

Please advise whether you think I should:
* just forget it
* rewrite the request / suggestion in a clearer (and shorter) form
* leave it to you to change
* revert your undo

Regards

] (]) 13:56, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
:Hi David, thanks for getting in touch. I'd recommend restating your concerns to make it more clear how you think the article should be changed/expanded, rather than reflecting on your own (or "our") specific interests. In other words, rather than stating "I'm curious about..." say "I think the article could benefit from more information about..." or "Is there information about x that could be added to the article? I think this would be useful." In essence, make your concerns about benefitting the article rather than individuals. That being said, if you're not invested in the article itself, it may not be worth pursuing...it's possible that editors may point you to sources and invite you to add the information yourself. Some editors get prickly if they think that others are asking them to do work but aren't willing to contribute themselves. Hope this helps, and thaks again for coming to me with your concerns! ] (]) 14:03, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Ok, thanks - will make a short, clear suggestion and leave it at that. I am perfectly happy to make a contribution, but as a non-Goth don't feel that I have the insight to answer my own questions!
] (]) 12:06, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
:I know that feeling! Glad I could be of assistance! :) ] (]) 12:23, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


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Civility is as civility does- to paraphrase Forrest Gump. It is NOT civil to delete someone else's work summarily. Ask for a source, if the person doesn't respond within a certain amount of time, then maybe consider deleting it. Or better yet, if you are so gung ho on sources... find the source yourself. (The paraphrase is from the movie Forrest Gump for your source.

Do you actually check sources or just delete anything that doesn't have a source? You still haven't answered my question. I can see you sitting there refreshing the Wiki recent updates page and instantly rubbing your hands together checking each one for sources. Not caring if the sources cited are real or accurate. Get over it.
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And I know you sit there or the recent page, because the sentence before mine was also unsourced, but you did not delete that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kensternation (talk • contribs) 14:53, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


Try taking your own advice. CHILLOUT before deciding to delete someone else's work. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 15:32, 20 June 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Stop summarily deleting other people's work ==

Civility is as civility does- to paraphrase Forrest Gump. It is NOT civil to delete someone else's work summarily. Ask for a source, if the person doesn't respond within a certain amount of time, then maybe consider deleting it. Or better yet, if you are so gung ho on sources... find the source yourself. (The paraphrase is from the movie Forrest Gump for your source.

Do you actually check sources or just delete anything that doesn't have a source? You still haven't answered my question. I can see you sitting there refreshing the Wiki recent updates page and instantly rubbing your hands together checking each one for sources. Not caring if the sources cited are real or accurate. Get over it.
As for the ANI: It must be possible to attribute all information in Misplaced Pages to reliable, published sources that are appropriate for the content in question. However, in practice it is only necessary to provide inline citations for quotations and for any information that has been challenged or that is likely to be challenged. (bold added by me) That means if something is not likely to be challenged because it is either obvious or easily verifiable or just not worthy of challenge, DOES NOT NEED A SOURCE. Once again... get over it and get a life.
And I know you sit there or the recent page, because the sentence before mine was also unsourced, but you did not delete that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kensternation (talk • contribs) 14:53, 20 June 2012 (UTC)



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The Bourne Identity

Hi, I just wanted to say that I re-added the note on The Bourne Identity with proper citation. Apologies for the oversight. TheAlderaanian (talk) 13:40, July 9, 2024 (UTC)

No problem! You might want to look at the article text as well (I'm about to step away from my PC for a bit, but if you'd rather I take a look, reply here); I think it mentions the same info you added, but it's worded differently and potentially inconsistently to what you added. Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doniago (talkcontribs) 13:51, July 9, 2024 (UTC)

The Bourne Supremacy

Hi. Thanks for your message explaining why you removed the entry for Albert Finney appearing in The Bourne Supremacy as Dr. Albert Hirsch. I thought Albert Finney appeared in a cameo in that film, but after checking again, I don't think it was him.

Would you prefer I add a note to the talk page for The Bourne Supremacy if I make further changes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:644:4300:39EE:4D6B:DAE7:6301:965B (talk) 06:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I think you're thinking of the third film rather than the second, but I haven't seen them in a very long time either.
I don't feel a need for you to check before making further changes personally. My biggest advice to new editors is just not to take it personally if your edits are reverted (as you didn't do here). Misplaced Pages has a lot of policies and guidelines, and it's very easy to accidentally violate them, and it's not a reflection on you. Hopefully the reverting editor will leave an explanation as I did, but many fail to do so. Thank you for your offer to raise any further edits at the Talk page though. I hope you have a happy holiday season! DonIago (talk) 04:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

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I’d like some help please

Hey man it’s me again, I don’t necessarily wanna keep annoying you with stuff like this everytime it happens but for the past few weeks another genre war has been going on between me and this unnamed user for presence (2025) steven soderberghs new film, I’ve been trying to keep it as psychological thriller (since it’s also shown on the categories list too and allmovie has it labeled as one) but this dude keeps changing it to horror, and when I tried to revert my edit, he just completely got rid of every genre, I don’t necessarily know what to do and I think it’s best for now to just keep it to way it was before, not every film that looks creepy is gonna be a horror, literally Pomniismywife (talk) 03:37, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

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