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You are unfair and in bad faith, unless you are just kidding. That was restoring your own change because it was appropriate, not reverting to my previous version!!!!!--JackLumber 14:47, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay I miss-read your change, excuse its late. 60.240.88.48 14:58, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

12h William M. Connolley 18:47, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

User:HereToHelp

Three revert rule violation on Misplaced Pages:Community Portal (edit | ] | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). HereToHelp (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to:
• 1st revert:
• 2nd revert:
• 3rd revert:
• 4th revert:

Reported by: Zzzzz 17:42, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: 4th revert on community portal breaks 3RR. an admin who doesnt know their own policy? i believe there is no special favours for admins. they then locked the page to "win" their argument. Zzzzz 17:45, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I can't see any excuse. 8h for a first offence. But I can't say I approve of your part, though you did stop at 3R. William M. Connolley 18:02, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Irpen

Three revert rule violation on Uprising of Khotin (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Irpen (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Uprising_of_Khotin&diff=49122359&oldid=48934943

• 1st revert: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Uprising_of_Khotin&diff=49122359&oldid=48934943
• 2nd revert: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Uprising_of_Khotin&diff=49253537&oldid=49186274
• 3rd revert: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Uprising_of_Khotin&diff=49318130&oldid=49258375
• 4th revert: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Uprising_of_Khotin&diff=49319141&oldid=49318621

Reported by: Andrei George 18:18, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

That's plain ridiculuous. I rewrote the entire article from scratch yesterday and cited my sources. After that the user twice placed a POV tag. I removed it because it was not accompanied by any explanations at the talk page. He can't just through tags at the whim. A good faith explanation is required when placing a POV tag over a whole article. Besides, this new user seems very familiar. Likely a reincarnation of a certain permabanned editor. Will be more specific as I watch more of his edits. --Irpen 18:25, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

This contributor knows very well what is or not legal in Misplaced Pages. He constanly reverted my edits, he constantly deleted POV tags. He made it more than 4 times. He needs to be blocked since he is aware of the consequences of his edits. His personal attacks are not welcome also. He proofs to avoid rules of Misplaced Pages. --Andrei George 18:28, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Now let's analyze the frivolous complaint:

1. What he calls "first revert" was an edit made at 05:35, April 19, 2006. (note the time as well) I merely added references to back the numbers someone flagged with the "fact" tag and, as the numbers were sourced, removed a disputed tag
2. What he calls "2nd revert" was a total article rewrite at 07:46, April 20, 2006. More sources were added and the summary called for any disagreements to be brought up at talk page
3. What he calls "3rd and 4th reverts" are indeed reverts (as such there are only two reverts) and all I did was called whoever places a global POV tag over an article to explain the dispute at talk.

As such, these four edits are not at all within 24 hours to begin with. Two of them are not reverts at all and the last two is a call for whoever places a POV tag to explain it at talk. The user places a global POV tag without explanation and assaults a whole bunch of articles with Bonaparte-style immature Romanian nationalism. Please consider whether such behavior warrants an action on its own. For details, see User:Bonaparte/sockpuppetry, user talk:Bonaparte/sockpuppetry and Sockpuppetry by Bonaparte. --Irpen 18:41, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it is Bonaparte. `'mikka (t) 18:39, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I had my doubts too but not for long. --Irpen 18:41, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't much like all this. AG is clearly someones sock, the question is, whose. Please *don't* discuss that here though. Irpen gets a stern warning re 3RR. However, since I've felt obliged to protect the page, I don't feel inclined to block. Others feel free to review William M. Connolley 18:53, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

...and I am hereby removing the "stern warning". There were only two reverts by Irpen. And place a stern warning upon Connolley for siding with trolls without checking facts. `'mikka (t) 20:03, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Irpen has 3 definite reverts (, , ) and one which on reflection isn't really a revert. M, you should not unprotect and article that you've been reverting William M. Connolley 20:31, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Please check your quotations. Of 3 refs, only two are reverts, one of them being a very formal classification, since the whole article was significantly rewritten. I am aware that people often lose track of edits/reverts and on a second thought I agree that Irpen must be more careful indeed. As for unprotecting, there is no edit war yet. `'mikka (t) 20:40, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

To back Irpen, I'll point out that User:Andrei George has been pulling the same stunts on the Transylvania page. There was no explanation for his gestures there, and the man did not even add a tag - he just erased text. Dahn 20:47, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to stress the importance of spirit of the law. Irpen significantly expanded the article, and I think that content creation should be rewarded, not penalized. And although he removed the tag four times (or rather 2 different tags twice each), in the meantime he has been expanding the article, and I don't see his opponent even explaining the tag addition in the talk page. Even if Irpen has broken 3RR (and this is disputed as the discussion shows) I certainly think that warning is enough and that such useful contributors should not be blocked unless they do something much more disruptive.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:19, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Please everyone, let's get clear about the facts. Of the four edits pointed out by a troll and recited by William, only the last three fell within the 24 hour window at all! Here are the diffs pointed out by William in his 20:31, 20 April 2006 (UTC) post above

• The time of this edit, indeed a revert, was 18:14, April 20, 2006.
• The time of this edit, also a revert, I admit, was 18:07, April 20, 2006.

Please note that both "reverts" above, were just removals of the POV tag placed on an article without any explanation. I am sorry, but the POV tag says that the neutrality is disputed and refers the reader to a talk page for a discussion. The article have just been totally rewritten by me and there were not a single entry at talk page by the tag placers. Even if these two edits count as reverts, despite they were removals of tags placed in bad faith (no explanation was given), there were only two, not 4 reverts. I always try my best to avoid reverting good faith edits by good faith users. These were not the case. Let's now check the other diffs cited by William:

• This edit made at 07:46, April 20, 2006, was not even close to a revert. This was a complete article rewrite using a new set of sources, all cited. Any tags, placed on the old version were inapplicable, because I made a new article out of it. In what way was this a revert?
• Let's now look at the fourth diff, cited by William. Please care to check its timing: 05:35, April 19, 2006.

That is way more than 24 hours away from the first diff above! Also, check the diff itself. The edit is replacing the "fact" tags with the sources I added to the reference list and changing some of the numbers in accordance to a new found citation. A while ago a user placed a bunch of "fact" tags on several statements in the article and added a "disputed" tag based on that. The original tag placer had all the time in the world to study my edit and, if he disagrees with facts, reinsert the tag, explaining at talk what was wrong with the new article I just wrote. It didn't happen.

In any case, there are no 4 edits within 24 hours, let alone 4 reverts, to speak about. The formal 3RR could not have been violated if there were no four edits of the same article within 24 hours! That a sock who placed the frivolous complaint simply didn't list times of the "reverts" should have alerted anyone who wanted to look at the matter. Instead, we get the dispute about stern warnings and call for user:Irpen to be "more careful" and thankful for being "forgiven". There are two issues here:

• The letter of the 3RR law was not violated. That the compliant conveniently omitted time stamps in the diffs should have alerted anyone. Sadly, it didn't. I do realize that 3 reverts is not an entitlement even when 4 reverts were not made, so we are coming here to the second issue.
• While only two reverts (not even three) were made by me here, there was no content dispute. The "reverts" were removal of the POV tags when the tagger refused to explain his reasons at talk, despite asked.

And this brings us to the last questions.

• Mikka's saying that I should have been "more careful". I hope he, as everyone, can now see that I was careful here. Not that I don't make mistakes, but this was not the case.
• William placing a "stern warning" at my page, later partially retracted but still with a non-committed apology. I could see how nice it could feel to decide who to punish and who to spare, but getting into judging the issues requires an utmost responsible and careful approach. The simple fact that time stamps were not added should have alerted anyone. Studying the matter carefully before making a hasty decision should be a must. Yes, people a busy, but no one requires from any admin to enforce the 3RR. If one takes upon himself to enforce the rules whose misapplication is emotionally sensitive to the editors involved, he should take an extra time to study the matter.

We've seen the aggravation of some very respected editors involved into this very discussion for being illegitimately blocked on the sock/troll provocation when the blocking Admin didn't care to study the matter or was too eager to exercise the powers, either because those were newfound or because they were acquired too long ago to remember about the responsibilities that come with them.

Thanks to all for the attention and support and I hope the matter can be brought to a closure now. --Irpen 00:24, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Was he blocked yet? --Andrei George 09:52, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

As confirmed by Checkuser, the author of this frivoulous complaint, user:Andrei George is a sockpuppet of Bonaparte permabanned for "malicious sockpuppetry and running a botnet". With such pattern, we should expect more Bonaparte socks to be created exclusively to run edit wars and rig the voting surveys. --Irpen 04:20, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Philosophically, are sockpuppets people? or have they become mere simulations of people?- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 10:04, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Dardanv

Three revert rule violation on Kosovo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Dardanv (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 23:15, 19 April 2006
• 1st revert: 14:42, 20 April 2006
• 2nd revert: 16:10, 20 April 2006
• 3rd revert: 18:05, 20 April 2006
• 4th revert: 18:31, 20 April 2006
• 5th revert: 20:13, 20 April 2006
• 6th revert: 21:20, 20 April 2006

Reported by: Asterion 20:48, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: Aside the obvious reverts, pay attention to offensive edit summaries. Asterion 20:48, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

At last an easy one :-). 12h for a first offence William M. Connolley 21:46, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Not sure about the efficiency of your actions, Mr.Connolley. You tend to only block people who you are reported for, and not instead take the time to see the reverts by the reporter of the reverts. That might give you some hints, that the reporter might be violating the 3RR rule as well, and thus issuing a block to both sides would make you more professional in enforcing the 3RR rule. You once blocked me as well, in the same manner, and I thought you would in the future reconsider that technique. I still hope you consider this in the future. Ilir pz 13:32, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

User:IP Address

Three revert rule violation on Norse-Gaels (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). IP_Address (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 21:39, April 20, 2006
• 1st revert: Revision as of 22:07, April 20, 2006
• 2nd revert: Revision as of 22:38, April 20, 2006
• 3rd revert: Revision as of 22:55, April 20, 2006
• 4th revert: Revision as of 00:00, April 21, 2006
• 5th revert: Revision as of 00:25, April 21, 2006
• 6th revert: Revision as of 00:35, April 21, 2006
• 7th revert: Revision as of 00:42, April 21, 2006

Reported by: Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 23:24, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: Violation concerned reverting the removal of text by me and others (User:An_Siarach and User:Mais oui!). Firstly, the inclusion of an irrelevant link to Richmondshire, and secondly on irrelevant text regarding the later history of the same region. User is fully aware of 3RR (e.g. ), and has displayed himself to be highly uncivil (e.g. , ). - Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 23:24, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

User has continued to revert even though he knows he has already been listed for violation of 3RR. - Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 23:39, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I love being ganged up on; it's how those violate 3RR by proxy. Thanks for being fair; you pushing your own bigotry and ignorance about a place you have no connection to, but I do. I should make judgements about your own places of origin. That would make me a big man. IP Address 23:41, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Another revert. So you saw your listing, and reverted again? - Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 23:47, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Aside from the 3RR, your take on me doesn't mean shit. You can grow some fucking balls and go to your fucking library and learn a thing or two about the topic, or you can play these games and bullshit! IP Address 23:48, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Let's say that calling people "troll" is not a personal attack...Your comrade in arms against Richmondshire is flawless. IP Address 23:49, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

The truth is, you think I'm encroaching on your territory and that England has no business in Norse-Gaels. If that's your position...so be it! IP Address 23:50, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Blocked for 24 hours, not the first offence. Stifle (talk) 23:53, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Merecat

Three revert rule violation on Talk:2004 U.S. presidential election controversy and irregularities (edit | ] | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Merecat (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 18:07, 20 April 2006
• 1st revert: 18:17, 20 April 2006
• 2nd revert: 18:18, 20 April 2006
• 3rd revert: 18:20, 20 April 2006
• 4th revert: 18:23, 20 April 2006

Reported by: User:RyanFreisling @ 23:31, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: This user, who already is the subject of an RfC, has been deleting the 'TrollWarning' tags I added to two specific discussion threads in which trollsome behavior is directly alleged. He has violated 3RR both in literal terms (4 reverts to a talk page in 24 hours), and in essential terms (without pause for consensus, he is ready to revert war even a 'talk' page, to prove a point). Please block. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 23:31, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I count three. The first two being seperate tags. Oh, and it takes two to tango and so on and so forth... Arkon 23:41, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Fixed. Can you confirm the count, please? The literal rule isn't 'exactly the same reverts', it's 'reverts'. There are four reverts by Merecat in 24 hours, on a talk page. You'll also notice I only reverted twice to Meercat's 4. I'd like to stay above revert wars and let the original content issue (the tag) stand for a more informed discussion. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 23:45, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I still see three, but perhaps an admin will take the removal of the one tag in each edit on the first two as seperate. Arkon 23:49, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Not a 3RR violation. Second revert was a self-revert, so doesn't count. Stifle (talk) 23:55, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

No it wasn't.I do appreciate your attention but I disagree. Merecat did not self-revert. Merecat reverted my edits alone, in four reverts. If I were interested in gaming 3RR, I would revert again, and force him to violate - but it's about the spirit of 3RR as well, and I believe in this case this behavior, 'on a talk page, is definitely a violation of the spirit of 3RR as well as the literal policy. In this case, my report and concern are about respecting policy. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 23:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Ryan is making trouble on that page with vandal edits. He's inserting a page tag in a section as a taunt. Please review his comments on that page. Merecat 00:06, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

The 3RR is quite strict. He did not make four reverts, therefore he isn't being blocked. However, both of you are liable to be blocked per WP:IAR if you persist in posting content issues here. Use WP:3O. Stifle (talk) 22:55, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Jaranda and User:Chris2008

Three revert rule violation on Three_6_Mafia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Jaranda (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Chris2008 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to:
• 1st revert:
• 2nd revert:
• 3rd revert:
• 4th revert:

Reported by: --205.188.116.70 23:40, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: Edit war over a copyvio image in the article, --205.188.116.70 23:40, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not blocking Jaranda over this one, the AOL IP who was re-posting was making insultive edit summaries upon removal of the copyvio and was blocked for 10 min. -- Tawker 00:00, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Edit conflict, I ended up blocking Jaranda and Chris2008 for 8 hours each for 3RR violation, but Tawker correctly pointed out that removing a copyvio image (only) is/should be exempt from the 3RR (simple vandalism) and unblocked him. I also ineffectively blocked 205.188.116.6 for 15 minutes. Stifle (talk) 00:04, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Medule

Three revert rule violation on Borovo Selo raid (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Medule (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to:
• 1st revert:
• 2nd revert:
• 3rd revert:
• 4th revert:

Reported by: Dr.Gonzo 00:15, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: Revert war over inserting unverifiable and factualy inaccurate claims that are highly disruptive to the NPOV of the article. Does not want to discuss on Talk page and acts very much like a common vandal.

12h William M. Connolley 08:47, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Ldingley

Three revert rule violation on Bagratid Dynasties (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Ldingley (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to:
• 1st revert:
• 2nd revert:
• 3rd revert:
• 4th revert:

Reported by: Eupator 00:29, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

Revert war over the origin of the dynasty but the actual edits are concerning other details of the page (ie: order of names, semantics of regions etc.)

• You have posted oldids instead of diffs. I can't find a 3RR violation. Stifle (talk) 17:24, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

User:WCityMike

Three revert rule violation on Wikitruth (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). WCityMike (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• 1st revert:
• 2nd revert:
• 3rd revert:
• 4th revert:

Reported by: Ardenn 01:29, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: Keeps reverting speedy tag. Ardenn 01:29, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

My own position is that Ardenn is very rapidly abusing the speedy deletion process. Wikitruth.info is of course not the most popular subject among Misplaced Pages admins, but it achieved a 'no consensus' during its last AfD, a process during which, I should note, Ardenn also repeatedly attempted numerous speedy deletions. {{db-repost}} is an entirely inappropriate guideline for speedy deletion as the substance of the article has been extensively developed since it was first speedy deleted by someone. — WCityMike 01:32, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

WCityMike is wikilawyering to keep his article that violates db-repost. Ardenn 01:33, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

He's also beem reported at WP:ANI for violating WP:NPA. Ardenn 01:34, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

This does not qualify for the 3-revert rule. He was removing your improper speedy deletion tag, and he explained himself on your talk page. ~MDD4696 01:38, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

It was not improper. Now block him and be a nice responsible admin. Ardenn 01:41, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I would respectfully note that an examination of Wikitruth.info's history indicates that Ardenn himself by reposting his speedy deletion note, violated the 3RR rule he now accuses me of: , , , , . I say this not as a formal complaint but as ironic note. Further, his accusation of personal attack, which I will also note on the appropriate page, appears to be founded on nothing more than the words "bad faith" in my edit description. — WCityMike 01:43, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, because you see asswipe, you're supposed to assume good faith. Ardenn 01:44, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Interesting. Should I now open something on INA ANI? — WCityMike 01:47, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

• I believe it is Ardenn who is the violator here, at least technically. She tagged this thrice yesterday, waited until a few hours after 24 hours had expired, and added it thrice again in short order. Then there are also the personal attacks, incivility, and numerous other violations. -- Gnetwerker 01:50, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
  • I am a guy Ardenn 02:53, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I have blocked Ardenn for 1 hour for violating the 3RR rule, incivility, and disruption. I will block again (for a longer period of time) after this block expires if there are furthur problems. ~MDD4696 01:52, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Here's my formal explanation, which I posted on Ardenn's talk page:

The WikiTruth article is not a candidate for speedy deletion because it does not satisfy the criteria on WP:CSD. The point you cited, CSD G4 "Recreation of deleted material" does not apply in this case because the current article had been completely rewritten. Articles are usually deleted under CSD G4 when the new content is identical to the deleted content, or an article has been through the AfD process and the subject deemed unfit for Misplaced Pages.

Regarding your block: Strictly speaking, you did not violate the 3RR rule just now--I made a mistake. You did act inappropriately by vandalizing WCityMike's user page , making incivil comments , and by escalating the disagreement by reporting the incident to WP:AN and WP:3RR. I had blocked you for 1 hour to give us all some breathing room, however I will block you again for a longer period of time if need be.

Your block will expire in a few minutes. I recommend that you avoid editing the Wikitruth article for some time now. There is currently no need to contact WCityMike either. If you choose to do either, that's fine, but realize that taking a short break may be beneficial. Please leave any questions or comments you have on my talk page, thanks. ~MDD4696 02:44, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Although Ardenn did not technically violate the 3RR rule, he did make additional reverts shortly after the 24 hour limit, which is considered bad form. ~MDD4696 02:53, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Dariush4444

Three revert rule violation on Iranian Azerbaijan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Dariush4444 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 03:05, 21 April 2006
• 1st revert: 03:35, 21 April 2006
• 2nd revert: 03:40, 21 April 2006
• 3rd revert: 03:59, 21 April 2006
• 4th revert: 05:01, 21 April 2006

Reported by: —Khoikhoi 05:04, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

• User knows about 3RR from here. —Khoikhoi 05:04, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Blocked Will (_@) T 16:46, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

User:87.196.164.251 (plus other 87.196.* IP addresses)

Three revert rule violation on Kurt Cobain (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). 87.196.164.251 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 18:58, 13 April 2006
• 1st revert: 23:52, 15 April 2006
• 2nd revert: 23:55, 15 April 2006
• 3rd revert: 00:00, 16 April 2006
• 4th revert: 00:01, 16 April 2006
• 5th revert: 00:04, 16 April 2006
• 6th revert: 00:06, 16 April 2006
• 7th revert: 00:09, 16 April 2006
• 8th revert: 00:14, 16 April 2006
• 9th revert: 01:04, 16 April 2006

Reported by: ChrisB 08:04, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: I know this is a few days old, but I was under the mistaken impression that it was already reported. Yes, that's nine reversions in the span of a little over an hour. The problem persists, however, as the user's sole intention in editing the article is to include the link to a petition regarding Cobain's death. Several editors have deemed it linkspam, but the user refuses to back down.

The problem is that he's apparently using a dial-up account, so his IP keeps shifting. (All IP's are in the 87.196.* range, belonging to Novis Telecom in Portugal.) But, in the last day:

• 10th revert: 17:41, 20 April 2006 (as User:87.196.239.149)
• 11th revert: 20:41, 20 April 2006 (as User:87.196.129.83)
• 12th revert: 07:07, 21 April 2006 (as User:87.196.141.180)

Plus a vandalization of my Talk page: 20:34, 20 April 2006 (as User:87.196.129.83)

Honestly, I'm as much reporting the 3RR as I'm looking for advice as to how to handle the situation. I'm not willing to commit 3RR myself to revert the attempts today. Apologies if this should have been reported to another admin location. -- ChrisB 08:04, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Whole range blocked for six hours (dynamic IP) Will (_@) T 16:45, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Melbedewy

Three revert rule violation on Brent_Corrigan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Melbedewy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to:
• 1st revert: 19:43, 21 April 2006
• 2nd revert: 19:40, 21 April 2006
• 3rd revert: 12:34, 21 April 2006

Reported by: Natoma 20:55, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: After much discussion amongst the people editing this article, we came to a consensus on various issues. However, Melbedewy refuses to listen to that consensus and reverts it every day. I along with several other users have created discussions on the talk page as well as his personal talk page, all in an attempt to get him to source his material appropriately as well as cease his reversions.

He simply refuses and continues to revert once a day. We have all been erasing his changes for the past couple of weeks. A few days ago he made the "threat" that he would start spamming the Corrigan entry every single day and for us to "enjoy it". Today was the first time that he broke 3RR while various editors removed his article spam, but it is apparent from the revision history that this problem has existed for a long time.

Requesting intervention with Melbedewy and if that fails, a block on the username and protection on the article, again, against unregistered IPs and new users. He said on the talk page that he does not care if he gets banned and will merely sign up with a new user name as his IP is dynamic, and start all over again

This isn't really 3RR, since its only 3R. But it does appear to be vandalism (and probably copyvio) by just pasting in text from elsewhere. I shall do a short block to reinforce the point William M. Connolley 21:21, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Just so you know, he's back at it again. As you can see from his history, he normally only reverts once a day, and he did so today. He'll be back everyday doing the same thing, i.e. pasting that useless text over and over again. That's also why I requested a lock on the article from anonymous IPs and new users, as well as a ban on Melbedewy. I believe there are more than enough editors at wiki today to maintain the article going forward. He's simply being a troll and will use his anon-ip status in the future, as threatened, to continue the consensus warring. Natoma 19:37, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Back again... Natoma 16:30, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

He continues. A permanent ban is probably required at this point given the attempts at intervention as well as his contribution history. I would also request protection on the article as well, if possible, to stop further incursions by anon-ips and this same individual simply signing up with a new identity and continuing the spamming. Natoma 14:03, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

User:12.217.35.198 and 12.207.89.76

Three revert rule violation on Carol Kaye (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). 12.217.35.198 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

version reverted to title=Carol_Kaye&oldid=49379993

1. (cur) (last) 00:51, 22 April 2006 12.217.35.198
2. (cur) (last) 00:43, 22 April 2006 12.217.35.198
3. (cur) (last) 00:25, 22 April 2006 12.217.35.198
4. (cur) (last) 02:47, 21 April 2006 12.207.89.76

The odd IP is a sock for the other one. THese are all the same user. Im sure by his tone and phrasing and the fact he keeps erasing the same 2 items. Reported by: Light current 00:14, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

It's not a 3RR violation unless the first edit was a revert to a previous version. There's also no point in blocking for 3RR if dynamic IPs are involved. I can sprotect if it's vandalism, but not if it's a legitimate content dispute. Which is it, in your view? SlimVirgin 18:24, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Its a content dispute. Anyway I think he's given up now--Light current 18:27, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I just read the talk page and his vow never to give up, plus personal attacks, so I'm willing to semi-protect. You're able to revert again, so I'll keep an eye on it and sprotect if he returns. SlimVirgin 18:31, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Lou franklin

Three revert rule violation on Talk:Societal attitudes towards homosexuality (edit | ] | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Lou_franklin (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 22 avril 2006 à 01:39
• 1st revert: 22 avril 2006 à 01:49
• 2nd revert: 22 avril 2006 à 02:00
• 3rd revert: 22 avril 2006 à 03:04
• 4th revert: 22 avril 2006 à 03:24

Reported by: Cleduc 03:34, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

• In Lou franklin's ongoing crusade on Societal attitudes towards homosexuality (for which he has been blocked for 3RR 8+ times), he has again violated 3RR on the talk page, removing {{TrollWarning}}. Cleduc 03:34, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

one month, considering the number of blocks and the lengths of time imposed in the past. If another admin cares to review this and reduce the length, feel free to do so. --Heah? 03:40, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Ptmccain

3RR violation on On the Jews and Their Lies (Martin Luther) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) by Ptmccain (talk · contribs)

• Version reverted to: 23:24 April 21
• 1st revert 12:39 April 22
• 2nd revert 12:40 April 22
• 3rd revert 12:42 April 22
• 4th revert 12:44 April 22

Reported by SlimVirgin 12:52, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments

Ptmccain is repeatedly almost blanking the page. He was warned after the first time that he might be blocked if he did it again. SlimVirgin 12:52, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I offered him the opportunity to revert himself and he replied that he didn't know about 3RR, and appears to have tried to revert himself, though someone else had already done it. Whoever deals with this may want to take that into account. SlimVirgin 13:38, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

It looks like he has calmed down now. I think just a Stern Warning will do... William M. Connolley 20:18, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Trialsanderrors

Three revert rule violation on Mary O. McCarthy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Trialsanderrors (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• 1st revert: 16:53, 22 April 2006
• 2nd revert: 17:23, 22 April 2006
• 3rd revert: 17:37, 22 April 2006
• 4th revert: 17:56, 22 April 2006

Reported by: --DaveThomas 18:10, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Reverts made by his own admission see history page

Since you've broken 3RR too, you can have 12h each William M. Connolley 20:12, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Dr amr

Three revert rule violation on Egyptian_Arabic (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Dr_amr (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to:
• 1st revert: 02:41, 22 April 2006
• 2nd revert: 10:30, 22 April 2006
• 3rd revert: 10:44, 22 April 2006
• 4th revert: 15:33, 22 April 2006

Reported by: — Zerida 23:49, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

User:Dr amr has been on Misplaced Pages for less than a week and is already edit warring over a simple content dispute at the article in question. Today, I requested input from two Wikipedian linguists before he made the 4th revert. Consensus was previously attempted on Talk:Egyptian Arabic, but he uses an uncivil tone that makes it difficult to continue the discussion. Strange thing is, he warned me of 3RR shortly before he made his last revert, but then he also says "reverting will lead you nowhere, cause I'll always be there to revert it again" ! See other comments on talk page — Zerida 23:49, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Has now been warned, and seems to have stopped. Come back if he repeats William M. Connolley 16:59, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Joshbuddy

Three revert rule violation on Jehovah's Witnesses (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Joshbuddy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 23:54, 21 April 2006
• 1st revert: 03:00, 22 April 2006
• 2nd revert: 06:42, 22 April 2006
• 3rd revert: 23:35, 22 April 2006
• 4th revert: 23:39, 22 April 2006

Reported by: Alohamaru 02:16, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: Seems to have been involved in a revert war for a long time.Alohamaru 02:16, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, I would say that it is per the talk page and the other editor has refused to discuss it ion the talk page despite being asked, I would strongly strongly suggest ignoring this 3RR violation, if we want to call it a violation -- Tawker 04:50, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Salucao, User:Naturtrina, User:Ibstroking have all been attempting to revert the page destroying peoples good faith edits. Numerous attempts to communicate have gone without any response. 1 After User:Naturtrina was blocked for 24 hours, another IP came back to make this exact same edit to the page. I consulted with two admins in IRC User:TigerShark and User:Anonymous editor about this issue, along with User:Shanel on a pervious occasion. I think a sockpuppet check is in order here. User:Salucao has already been blocked for being a sockpuppet. joshbuddy 04:54, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I have a gut feeling a sock puppet check on User:Alohamaru would be a good thing as well. joshbuddy 04:57, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

The other IP involved is User:62.128.202.55. joshbuddy 05:03, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

This is slow vandalism: joshbuddy 21:13, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Darkred

Three revert rule violation on Iran-Iraq War (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Darkred (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 15:30, 22 April 2006
• 1st revert:15:30, 22 April 2006
• 2nd revert: 01:45, 23 April 2006
• 3rd revert: 05:13, 23 April 2006
• 4th revert: 05:30, 23 April 2006

Reported by: Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 05:38, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: User was warned both on the article talk page and on his user talk page, although I'm not sure if he had a chance to see the comment on his user talk page. He also continued to label his reverts as minor and usually had an edit summary that said he was reverting vandalism. The passage that he continually re-inserted originally had no source at all, when pressed he inserted an extremely dubious source that also linked George W. Bush to various conspiracies.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 05:38, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

• The user has now been warned per 3RR. Not technically a violation. Only 3 reverts were the same/similar.Voice-of-All 06:53, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I haven't looked at the diffs, but just want to point out that not all the reverts have to be the same. Any undoing of another editor's work counts as a revert. SlimVirgin 03:50, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry but you are mistaken, he only reverted me three times but the first revert was of another person in the same 24 hour period, please give it a closer look.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 06:56, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I see 3 reverts of the same content, other edits changes some other content, but that is not against 3RR. If I reverted out a sentence and a reference 3 times, and change some other things, that is not against 3RR.Voice-of-All 07:06, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind, I see it mixed there...then I'll have to block.Voice-of-All 07:07, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

4 any non vandalism reverts in a 24 hour period breaks the 3RR rule, same or not. Thanks Jaranda 16:44, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

4 reverts yes...but removing content in one place (not a revert), then another (not a revert), and then reverting a different peice of content 3 times does not violate 3RR, though if it is from a repeat offender, then s/he may get blocked for disruption. In this case, he reverted in sentence 4 times, so it passed 3RR.Voice-of-All 18:51, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Please note that Moshe has reverted DarkRed's additions four times over three days ( ). Moshe played this game with me a few weeks ago on another article where he reverted 9 times over 4 days (see ) but reported me soon as I reverted 4 times over 2 days (other people were responsible for undoing Moshe's changes -- I didn't revert all 9.) Moshe is being a bully who is abusing reverting himself which provokes otheres into violating the 3RR which Moshe then uses to get the provoked user banned. While Moshe engaged in his reverting he did not meaningfully participate in talk -- i.e. he never sourced his additions in good faith but seemed to be motivated by personal conviction of the correctness of his edits. --LuckyLittleGrasshopper 03:46, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

LLG, you edit using a number of IP addresses, and I believe, names, and have been extremely rude and disruptive. If you revert more than three times in 24 hours, you're likely to be blocked, and it doesn't matter what the context is, and who is right or wrong. Please learn the rules, including NPA and CIV, and try to edit in accordance with them, then you'll have no trouble. SlimVirgin 03:53, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

SM, please note that it was you that has supported Moshe's 3RR rule abuse in my banning instance -- see . Your characterization of me is not consistent with what I have done -- you seem to have read Moshe's slanted 3RR complaint about me and made some erroneous inferences rather than actually looking at my work, I can understand that, you are busy. The only time I have been angry on Misplaced Pages was immediately surrouding the time I was banned in part by you via Moshe's report (while he engaged in 9 reverts over 4 days without repercusion as documented above) and I later crossed that attack as per advice. --LuckyLittleGrasshopper 05:01, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Just want to chime in that I've had similar experiences with Moshe. The guy likes to use slow edit wars to get people to cross the 3RR limit. He is, on the whole, a very partisan and unreasonable editor, so people get frustrated with him. Alienus 03:51, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry your feel that way but I am not sure it is particulary relavent.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 07:35, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

User:JedRothwell

Three revert rule violation on Cold fusion controversy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). JedRothwell (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 17:41, 23 April 2006
• 1st revert: 17:39, 23 April 2006
• 2nd revert: 18:03, 23 April 2006
• 3rd revert: 18:43, 23 April 2006
• 4th revert: 19:07, 23 April 2006

Reported by: JoshuaZ 19:21, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

Note that in the third revert in the edit summary Jed basically promised to keep edit warring. He has made similar comments on the talk page such as "I will ungut them if I disagree" and "Please edit with care or I will revert" which show a serious WP:OWN problem. JoshuaZ 19:21, 23 April 2006 (UTC) Also, he just reverted again- - He was warned on his talk page before he made this revert. And is clearly not interested in stopping by his own declaration: . JoshuaZ 22:02, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

• And he has no reverted for what is I think a 6th time-
  • I have blocked User:JedRothwell for 24 hours for a 3RR violation. ~MDD4696 02:40, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Dzoni

Three revert rule violation on Alessandra Mussolini (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Dzoni (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 14:43, April 22, 2006
• 1st revert: 23:34, April 22, 2006
• 2nd revert: 17:13, April 23, 2006
• 3rd revert: 17:52, April 23, 2006
• 4th revert: 18:30, April 23, 2006

Reported by: Lou Crazy 22:18, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: Not only he keeps reverting edits by many other editors, he insults everyone in the Talk page, dispensing accusations of communism, homosexuality, stupidity, etc. etc. He also claims all other editors are the same person.

I hope something can be done with him to avoid further problems.

Blocked for 24 hours.Geni 02:51, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Hurricane Devon

Three revert rule violation on HD 217107 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Hurricane_Devon (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 22:00, 23 April 2006
• 1st revert: 23:53, 23 April 2006
• 2nd revert: 00:06, 24 April 2006
• 3rd revert: 00:21, 24 April 2006
• 4th revert: 00:39, 24 April 2006

Reported by: Worldtraveller 23:49, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: User ignored several requests to explain why he was using unnecessary HTML markup in articles, and has now broken the 3RR when I removed his misuse of a template to insert markup from this article. Worldtraveller 23:49, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Blocked for 24 hours.Geni 02:52, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Instantnood

Three revert rule violation on Hong Kong (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Instantnood (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to:
• 1st revert:
• 2nd revert:
• 3rd revert:
• 4th revert:

Reported by: SchmuckyTheCat 02:28, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

Note: The fourth revert is outside 24 hours - but this is an obvious case of gaming and trolling the 3RR system by someone under Arbcom sanction for revert warring. I'd like to request that he be page banned from this article per the terms of his arbcom ruling. And, like the 3RR policy states, In excessive cases, people can be blocked for edit warring or disruption even if they do not revert more than three times per day. Since he's under arbcom sanction for being a revert warrior, doing three reverts in 90 minutes and then abruptly stopping and picking up the next day is edit warring and disruptive. The fact being reverted to is the statement that Victoria City is the capital of Hong Kong - something the Hong Kong government denies. It's interesting to note that you have to go back more than a year to find what he's reverting to - that's how long he's willing to carry on revert wars for.

Hmmm... no-one seems to have picked up on this, and now its stale. I'm not going to block for this. You might want to consider asking TS to add HK to the list of banned article from IN, as an alternative? Will warn William M. Connolley 20:38, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I should have checked: 2006-04-24 04:10:30 Ashibaka blocked "Instantnood (contribs)" with an expiry time of 48 hours (ignoring his imposed article bans) William M. Connolley 20:41, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Alienus

Three revert rule violation on Christianity (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Alienus (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 22:35, 22 April 2006
• 1st revert: 19:57, 23 April 2006
• 2nd revert: 20:21, 23 April 2006
• 3rd revert: 20:40, 23 April2006
• 4th revert: 07:46, 24 April 2006

Reported by: Timothy Usher 08:15, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Addition from Musical Linguist Timothy didn't give all the diffs, so I'm expanding the report, as we are dealing with a repeat offender.

• Previous version reverted to: 18:04, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
• Revert 1: 19:57 23 April 2006
• Revert 2a: 20:21 23 April 2006
• Revert 2b: 20:25 23 April 2006 I count these two as one revert, as no other editor had edited in between.
• Revert 3: 20:40 23 April 2006
• Revert 4: 03:53 24 April 2006
• Revert 5: 07:17 24 April 2006
• Revert 6 07:46 24 April 2006

Comments: Repeat offender. Very aggressive. Constantly accuses people who revert him of edit warring, and threatens to have them "banned". Constantly uses popups to revert non-vandalism edits from his opponents, though repeatedly asked not to. Lots of snide remarks about the "Christian Cabal". Accuses other editors of "vandalism" when it's simply a content dispute. Is well aware that different reverts count towards the three-revert rule. , , AnnH ♫ 08:36, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: In all fairness, Musical Linguist is often in content dispute with Alienus, and her descriptions above are a little bias. I do not find Alienus "very agressive,"--not anymore than her own edits---nor have I seen him "threaten" anyone to have them "banned." This is not even relevant to a 3RR vio which may have occured--if it did he is not the only one and it happens on both sides, although it's often not reported. This goes for Musical Linguist herself, who I've given the chance to undo her 3RR vio, which she says was an accident (more than once). The "snide" remarks go for both sides, as well, including ML's who has made many snide remarks. Again, not relevant but to balance the comments above, which seem to be to make Alienus a bad member of the community, which is not true. There is a history of conflict and if tempers sometimes seem short its due to the historical context of edit waring on both sides over Christianity POV issues. To Aliunus credit, he does insist that users who are removing large amounts of text discuss their major edits on the talk page first and gain consensus. He also says he will respect consensus. This was the issue of the latest edit war and resulted, in perhaps, his 3RR vio, above. See here: And:I think a warning, and getting a committment from him would suffice as he makes good contributions.Giovanni33 10:23, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Gio, please. Everything you said is true, but you're wasting your time. Look who's here: the fix is in. Nothing good will come of your efforts. There is no justice to be had here. Move along now and don't get yourself hurt. Alienus 12:40, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: I'd never encountered Alienus (or Musical Linguist) prior to this talk page, nor engaged with him in any content dispute, yet right off the batt he accused me of being part of a shadowy "Christian cabal" and characterized my good-faith, hard-earned edits as "vandalism", reverting them on seemingly no basis beyond this prejudiced hostility.Timothy Usher 10:30, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Your edits suck. Mostly, you delete stuff that might embarass Christianity. You refuse to justify your broad changes and you like to edit-war. The History shows this quite plainly. Alienus 12:40, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Please note that Alienus' comment above originally read, "Your edits suck and so do you.".Timothy Usher 12:57, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: Don't worry. He makes similar accusations everywhere, it seems. See the history of his talk page (he wipes it frequently) and also a draft RFC on his behaviour. Jakew 10:47, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Jake is a proud member of the Kill Everyone Who Doesn't Love Circumcision Cabal, and he's working very hard behind the scenes to get me Robert Blair'ed out of here. This shows that he's a hostile partisan, so his opinion is worthless. Thanks for chiming in against me, Jake. I knew I could always count on you to show bad faith!

Oh, and for the record, I keep archives of all the stuff that goes on my Talk page EXCEPT fake warnings from your buddy, Nandesuka. His stuff, I delete on sight, because he permanently acts in bad faith, just like you. Now move along and let AnnH handle this. She's perfectly capable of a unjustified block without your help. Alienus 12:40, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: Thank you, I won't. However, as Giovanni33 has included diffs designed to give the impression that Alienus was willing to discuss things on the talk page, I feel compelled to point out that this is wholly untrue. I’d attempted to engage him several times to no avail, as shown: , , ,

I've still not heard one word from him about content, and in any case, how does this excuse violation of WP:3RR?Timothy Usher 10:54, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

The Talk page shows that I asked you to justify your deletions, and you refused to. Let's not pretend for a moment that your hands are clean. Rather, you are a vandal who has done nothing other than delete and mangle content. I don't really care what your motives are, just that you have not made one good edit yet. Alienus 12:40, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

(preceding comments were wiped by User:Alienus. Restored by User:Jakew.)

No, they were deleted by the software bug.AnnH ♫ 16:10, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

You know, this is so funny that I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry. If you actually look at what's going on, you'll see that Tim is guilty of removing large blocks of text without explanation. That's not content dispute, that's vandalism, which means 3RR doesn't apply. The assorted nastiness from Ann is to be expected, but it's irrelevant here. What's relevant is that the 3RR charge had to be cooked up after the fact. Anyhow, I fully expect to be blocked regardless of my innocence, so go do your thing and wake me up when it's over. I have better things to do than argue with a kangaroo court. Bye. Alienus 12:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

It's good to know that there is no Christian cabal, just as there is no Pro-Circumcision cabal. Oddly, AnnH and JakeW are the respective leaders of these two cabals that don't exist, and although they don't much care about each other's hot topic, they've got one thing in common: a hatred of anyone who opposes their zealotry. In other words, they both hate people like me, and it's only a matter of time before they run me off Misplaced Pages. I'm writing this so that it's here for the record. See ya. Alienus 12:55, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Uhm, I'm not sure what sort of Wikibug caused the wiping of the above comments, but it's clearly not something I did intentionally. Alienus 12:40, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

It's true, there is a software bug that causes an edit to wipe out a few of the previous edits, without the editors being aware of it. It has happened to me in the past. We all need to check diffs after editing. AnnH ♫ 16:10, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't want to attempt to refute Giovanni's post, as I know from experience that a reply will attract another lengthy post from him, and it's unfair on the admins who are policing this page to make them have to wade through lots of squabbles that have nothing to do with whether or not someone has broken the three-revert rule. Anyone who thinks that I edit war like Giovanni, or make hostile aggressive remarks like Alienus can compare our contributions. I will just say that I do not accept Giovanni's statement, and anyone who wants further information is welcome to contact me on my talk page.

On the subject of squabbles at the Christianity article, I would appeal to editors to respect the intentions of the bureaucrat who added a website to the spam filter, and also to bear in mind the amount of time it cost administrators to remove spam, and not to get round it by telling people about about the websites without actually linking them. Thanks. AnnH ♫ 16:10, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Without regard to this specific 3RR issue, I have blocked User:Alienus for 72 hours for his repeated, ongoing, and egregious personal attacks and disruption on this page. Civility is not optional here. Any admin that applies a block for 3RR should be aware of this, so you don't accidentally shorten the existing block. Nandesuka 16:02, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Hale-Byrne

Three revert rule violation on Caroline_Cox,_Baroness_Cox (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Hale-Byrne (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 10:27, April 21, 2006
• 1st revert: 16:13, April 24, 2006
• 2nd revert: 16:18, April 24, 2006
• 3rd revert: 16:22, April 24, 2006
• 4th revert: 16:25, April 24, 2006
• 5th revert: 16:30, April 24, 2006

Reported by: Irishpunktom\ 16:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

• User has been warned three times not to breach th 3rr, but did so anyway. Users only contributions have to to remove sourced criticisms from this article. User has been invited to dicuss problems with the article but has not edited a single talk page. --Irishpunktom\ 16:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Looks like a fair cop. 24h, since warned so well to so little effect William M. Connolley 17:29, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

• • Since Hale-Byrne was blocked, Gung has cropped up and made two edits: firstly to revert to Hale-Byrne's version of the Baroness Cox article, and second to blank Hale-Byrne's talk page. This looks like a possible block evasion. David | Talk 22:44, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

    I've left Gung a note explaining that blanking pages and block evasion are unnacceptable, and that another revert of Caroline Cox, Baroness Cox or more blankings will result in a block of that account. --Heah? 23:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

    Now it's Vbar. David | Talk 08:12, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Dardanv (again!)

Three revert rule violation on Kosovo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Dardanv (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 16:13, 23 April 2006
• 1st revert: 16:13, 23 April 2006
• 2nd revert: 23:27, 23 April 2006
• 3rd revert: 01:08, 24 April 2006
• 4th revert: 15:53, 24 April 2006

Reported by: --Asterion 16:48, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: Aside the obvious reverts, pay attention to offensive edit summaries (again). --Asterion 16:48, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I would encourage the admin before taking any action, to check carefully what content is reverted by Asterion. He is involved himself in a revert war, and reporting the opponent is a technique which he uses often. You've wrongly blocked his opponents several times, this time I rely on a more just decision from your side. Thank you in advance, Ilir pz 17:02, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

You and DardanV know the rules and these are made for everyone. Dardan was invited many times to discuss his arguments, instead he continues to engage on edit-warring and insulting everybody else. This is not the place to discuss content clashes and you should know that as well. --Asterion 17:09, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Looks like 4R by D and no-one else. 24h William M. Connolley 17:23, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Professionally done, Mr. Connolley, for the 2nd or 3rd time in a row. And indeed you are helping the attempts to stop the revert war. Congratulations.Ilir pz 17:34, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Its Dr Connolley to you; but you can call me WMC if you like William M. Connolley 20:17, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

User:General Eisenhower

Three revert rule violation on Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship General_Eisenhower (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to:
• 1st revert:
• 2nd revert:
• 3rd revert:
• 4th revert:

Reported by: General_Eisenhower (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Comments: Turned myself in. General_Eisenhower (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Uhh. those are links from a week ago, not worth a block, also don't use the admin template with your username as you are not. Thanks Jaranda 00:49, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Where has General Eisenhower used the admin template? BlueGoose 00:55, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

See the edit page, he signed with admin|General_Eisenhower Jaranda 01:07, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

A couple of places. and are a couple of examples. DarthVader 01:11, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

An even more odd example: DarthVader 01:22, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

• No action taken on 3RR; blocks are not punishment. However, warned user on disruption of Wiki by use of admin template. NSLE _(T+C) at 01:30 UTC (2006-04-25)

User:152.163.100.130

Three revert rule violation on Alpha Phi Alpha (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). 152.163.100.130 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 14:49, 24 April 2006
• 1st revert: 1
• 2nd revert: 2
• 3rd revert: 3
• 4th revert: 4

Reported by: AndyZ _t 01:06, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: The IP user is registered to America Online (AOL) and is shared by multiple users. The user has recently received a test4 and bv template (I was inclined to list him on WP:AIV first, but thought that this page would be more appropriate), and now is continuously reverting Alpha Phi Alpha to a previous version without discussion, using edit summaries like "fixed grammar" or "revert vandal --". Thanks, AndyZ _t 01:06, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

His last edit to that page was more than 3 hours ago so he stopped, because it's AOL, not worth a block Jaranda 01:10, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, since it is an AOL user, I agree. AndyZ _t 22:20, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Worldtraveller

Three revert rule violation on HD 217107 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Worldtraveller (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 17:46, 23 April 2006
• 1st revert: 18:03, 23 April 2006
• 2nd revert: 00:06, 24 April 2006
• 3rd revert: 18:14, 23 April 2006
• 4th revert: 18:35, 23 April 2006

Reported by: HurricaneDevon @ 03:03, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: User removes hours of edits, takes sections and unnecessaraly makes it it's own artical, and has now broken the 3RR in the prossess to prove wikipedia wrong. — HurricaneDevon @ 03:03, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

This is two reverts, three if WP:3RR is interpreted liberally. the 2nd revert listed is you reverting worldtraveller's 1st revert; the fourth is not a revert, but the removal of different information from the page- information that is redundant with other articles, as User:ALoan stated in his revert back to one of Worldtraveller's versions. so no block. you should keep the limits imposed by 3RR in mind when counting your own reverts as well; there are a lot on that page from many different parties, including you. --Heah? 07:18, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Pvsheridan

Three revert rule violation on American Airlines Flight 77 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Pvsheridan (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 18:56, 23 April 2006
• Inserted statements - 20:11, 24 April 2006 (rv by Jaranda)
• 1st revert: 21:04, 24 April 2006
• 2nd revert: 12:53, 25 April 2006
• 3rd revert: 12:55, 25 April 2006
• 4th revert: 13:03, 25 April 2006

Reported by: -Kmf164 (talk | contribs) 17:16, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: User has been warned and is being disruptive. -Kmf164 (talk | contribs) 17:16, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

• It's confusing to try and sort this out, but I found another diff, 18:56, 23 April 2006 that shows where Pvsheridan first inserted the material and was reverted. -Kmf164 (talk | contribs) 17:19, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

He hasn't reverted since the warning, so no block on first offense. --Heah? 19:30, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

User:TuzsuzDeliBekir

Three revert rule violation on Adana (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). TuzsuzDeliBekir (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 15:46, 23 April 2006
• 1st revert: 19:17, 24 April 2006
• 2nd revert: 20:44, 24 April 2006
• 3rd revert: 05:21, 25 April 2006
• 4th revert: 09:30, 25 April 2006

Reported by: —Khoikhoi 17:41, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

• User has been blocked for 3RR four times before. —Khoikhoi 17:41, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I have confirmed the 3RR violation and blocked accordingly. -Kmf164 (talk | contribs) 17:54, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Bomac

Three revert rule violation on Clement of Ohrid (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Bomac (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to:
• 1st revert:
• 2nd revert:
• 3rd revert:
• 4th revert:

Reported by:  NikoSilver  19:05, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: This user is continuously trying to push FYROM nationalistic POV in all kinds of articles and talks and at all costs. The user has already been blocked for 3RR four times in the past.  NikoSilver  19:05, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

• The user that reported me doesn't even takes place in the article about Clement of Ohrid, he is only spying on me and living with the thought of nationalism. I don't know how clever is that, but isn't saying ,,FYROM" a little bit nationalistic? Or even more? Bomac 19:17, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Thats not a WP:3RR, the last revert was on the 24th, the others were on the 25th. I will be keeping an eye on the page. - FrancisTyers 19:20, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes it is, because there are four reverts within 24 hours. Date is irrelevant. FunkyFly 19:22, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

All were within 18 hours, despite the dates; so blocked for 48 hours for his/her fifth 3RR vio. (If you disagree, Francis, feel free to drop me a note or change it.) --Heah? 19:24, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. FunkyFly, was correct and got me first. Also, for the record (a) I wasn't spying on Bomac, I was tipped off, and (b) using FYROM is as nationalistic as being Kofi Annan.  NikoSilver  19:27, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Heah. Note, however, that the "revert to" link is wrong (ots one of the 25th's) so the question of whether the first revert was actually a revert arises. I think it was, though William M. Connolley 19:36, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Fair cop, I should have noted the times :) - FrancisTyers 19:46, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

User:204.108.80.12

IP Address 204.108.80.12 has blanked Secondary characters in Calvin and Hobbes four times. The vandalism was reverted, but they restored their changes shortly thereafter. - Michael Goonan_(talk) 20:32, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Thats vandalism not 3RR. 2006-04-25 18:01:08 UkPaolo blocked "204.108.80.12 (contribs)" with an expiry time of 3 hours (vandalism despite warnings) William M. Connolley 20:54, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

User:87.116.171.209

Three revert rule violation on List of legendary kings of Britain (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). 87.116.171.209 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 19:28, 24 April 2006
• 1st revert: 20:37, 24 April 2006
• 2nd revert: 11:39, 25 April 2006
• 3rd revert: 19:48, 25 April 2006
• 4th revert: 20:03, 25 April 2006

Reported by: Francis Schonken 20:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

• User warned about 3RR policy 12:01, 25 April 2006 --Francis Schonken 20:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
• Type of vandalism per Misplaced Pages:Vandalism#Types of vandalism: Improper use of dispute tags, " As a general rule, do not remove other people's dispute tags twice during a 24 hour period. " - User:87.116.171.209 removed the dispute tag 4 times in less than 24H. Five times in less than 25H. --Francis Schonken 20:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

8h William M. Connolley 20:57, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Sathyalal

Three revert rule violation on India (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Sathyalal (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: (This is the same map he continuously reverts to)
• 1st revert: 00:29, 25 April 2006
• 2nd revert: 00:37, 25 April 2006
• 3rd revert: 03:48, 25 April 2006
• 4th revert: 08:42, 25 April 2006
• 5th revert: 13:15, 25 April 2006

Reported by: Ragib 21:14, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

• User had been warned about 3RR violations at time 09:03, 25 April 2006. The last revert ocurred *after* the warning has been placed. --Ragib 21:14, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

OK, 8h for a first offence William M. Connolley 21:25, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Reports from Raphael1 on cartoon controversy

Responding to all of the below: the latter two are old, and you claim you want "justice"; punishment is explicitly not the purpose or a permissable use of WP:3RR. Your behavior certainly seems disruptive, as perhaps two-thirds of the reverts listed below are reverting your edits. Further edit warring will most likely result in the page being temporarily protected. No blocks from me, another admin is of course more than welcome to review. --Heah? 00:01, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Only 4 of the 21 reverts are reverting my edits. Not a single of Pegasus1138 reverts is reverting my edit. Raphael1 00:31, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Pegasus1138

Three revert rule violation on Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy.

• Previous version reverted to: 2006-04-21 08:43:08
• 1st revert: 2006-04-21 08:45:23
• 2nd revert: 2006-04-21 08:47:51
• 3rd revert: 2006-04-21 08:50:39
• 4th revert: 2006-04-21 08:53:53
• 5th revert: 2006-04-21 08:54:58
• 6th revert: 2006-04-21 08:56:55
• 7th revert: 2006-04-21 08:58:01
• 8th revert: 2006-04-21 08:58:49

Reported by: Raphael1 07:49, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Those appear to be reversions of vandalism, which wouldn't count as a violation of the 3RR. Blackcap (talk) 07:55, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

They are not reversions of vandalism, because according to WP:VANDAL any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism. User:80.76.67.97, like many other editors, apparently feels, that the article is better without the offending resp. disrespectul cartoon images. Raphael1 08:04, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

There is a blindingly obvious, huge, SCREAMING disclaimer in the source of that page explaining why the images are there, that they are there by community consensus after heated discussion and polls, and that removing them is indeed considered vandalism. Regardless of wether one agrees with that disclaimer (I do), it certainly is enough to excuse User:Pegasus1138's reverts. --Stephan Schulz 08:11, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

The disclamer is incorrect, because neither NPOV violations nor Bullying or Stubbornness and least of all changing articles without consensus constitutes vandalism. Raphael1 08:16, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

You're right that it's not technically vandalism as defined in WP:VAND, however, it is a consistent overriding of consensus on a contentious issue, when it is clearly marked at the top of the page in massive capital letters to discuss changes on the talk page. Due to this disruptive behavior and the warning message, which was again determined by consensus, the same thing that created WP:VAND, I would leave Pegasus free to go about his business with a commendation, and 80... blocked for a week for disruption. Blackcap (talk) 08:29, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

There's no consensus (probably not even a supermajority) behind the warning message. Raphael1 08:52, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy/Poll Results. 202 keep, 26 delete. That's about as close a thing to consensus as you get around here. Snoutwood (talk) 23:06, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

That poll decided, whether a warning template should be placed above the image. There has been no poll about a block warning in the comment above.Raphael1 23:14, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

What did you expect the warning to do? Disruption is a blockable offense. It is clearly disruption to revert community consensus repeatedly, which was to have the images, and was decided by the above poll. So as to avoid the constant reversion of the images, the block warning was placed. This has happened on a number of high-profile pages. If you have a problem with the warning, take it up on the talk page, not here. This isn't the place for that. Snoutwood (talk) 23:26, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Isn't it a contradiction to have consensus on a contentious issue? Raphael1 09:06, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I meant that it's an issue with very strong opinions on all sides (thus contentious) that has been resolved by a poll which achieved consensus (see above post). Snoutwood (talk) 23:06, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Repeatedly changing an article against consensus does indeed constitute vandalism. Also, I would consider this as an instance of blanking vandalism. As a totally neutral and disinterested party, shouldn't you have reported both offenders? After all, User:80.76.67.97 has exactly the same number of reverts. Except, of course, that it is an anonymous IP user with no previous contributions at all, while User:Pegasus1138 has over 2500 good edits. --Stephan Schulz 08:32, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

WP:VAND explicitly says that repeated reversions against consensus isn't vandalism (see here, bullying and stubbornness). I, like you, disagree, but that is what it says. Blackcap (talk) 08:39, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

In this case, I cite WP:IAR. This is not the case of someone who does participate, but cannot agree. It's a hit-and-run IP vandal.--Stephan Schulz 08:43, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Stephan - Pegasus was reverting vandalism, and why did no-one report the anon? Anyway: 2006-04-21 08:59:41 Bogdangiusca blocked "80.76.67.97 (contribs)" with an expiry time of 1 week (vandalism) so it *was* vandalism... William M. Connolley 08:47, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

There's no point in reporting User:80.76.67.97, because he already got blocked by Bogdangiusca (wrongly for vandalism). Raphael1 08:52, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but that was *after* your report, so it doesn't explain why you didn't report both, does it? William M. Connolley 14:17, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

No, I reported on 07:49, 22 April 2006 and User:80.76.67.97 has been blocked on 2006-04-21 08:59:41, which is almost a day earlier. Raphael1 14:46, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Oops, misread the time stamp. Sorry William M. Connolley 20:20, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Pegasus1138 2

Three revert rule violation on Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Pegasus1138 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 2006-04-23 22:03:38
• 1st revert: 2006-04-23 22:12:14
• 2nd revert: 2006-04-23 22:31:24
• 3rd revert: 2006-04-24 01:21:23
• 4th revert: 2006-04-24 01:21:23

Reported by: Raphael1 21:59, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

See the discussion above. As far as I can see, nothing has changed.--Stephan Schulz 22:25, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Does that mean, that in content disputes administrators can choose whether WP:3RR or WP:IAR applies? Raphael1 22:40, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Of course. And I hope they choose wiseley. Also, I don't buy your characterisation of this as a simple "content dispute". --Stephan Schulz 22:44, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

What else do you think this is? As User:Blackcap already told you above, it is not vandalism. Raphael1 22:58, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, I happen to not share this opinion. Repeatedly removing these pictures against a nearly 10-1 supermajority and with clear knowledge of the situation does constitute vandalism. Go build consensus if you want the images removed. Live with it if the majority is against you.--Stephan Schulz 23:35, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Um, I think it's vandalism, which I hoped was clear in my above posts. It's just not vandalism as defined in WP:VAND. It is, however, certainly disruption, and thus again Pegasus should be commended for his behavior. (Oh, and in case this post is confusing, I am Blackcap. I've just gone through a name change.) Snoutwood (talk) 23:47, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Raphael is attempting to use various clauses of different guidelines and policies to his advantage to gain an upper hand in removing what he considers a disrespectful representation of a religious figure. For example, he has cited WP:NBD as grounds to over ride a poll regarding inclusion of the image that judged in favor of retaining the image my a margin of 8-1. He has been repeatedly warned and blocked on this issue. He continues his efforts to have others blocked in his attempts at having the image removed from the article. His dedication is admirable, though I respectfully disagree with his efforts as he is most definitely acting against community consensus. --Durin 22:50, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I respect your views, but this is not the place to discuss about me. We are here to discuss User:Pegasus1138 WP:3RR violation. Raphael1 22:58, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Which isn't a violation, something I thought we made clear the first time you listed him here. The removals of the picture were disruptive, as they disrupted the normal functioning of Misplaced Pages by overriding consensus repeatedly, even despite a massive warning to the effect that the images shouldn't be reverted. Snoutwood (talk) 23:47, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

The link you provided clearly states, that "inserting material that may be defamatory" such as the defamatory cartoon images is disruptive, not removing them. Raphael1 00:23, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Except that those images have been clearly consensed as being acceptable in the article in the poll. Look, the images' presence has been consensed upon. Nothing's going to remove them except consensus, and you don't have that. Your reverts are disruptive because you're violating consensus repeatedly by making them. Pegasus's and the other vandalfighters' are not, because they're supporting consensus. Snoutwood (talk) 00:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

This is ridiculous. There have been over 30 reverts in just a couple of days and you are talking about "consensus" because of poll results from February? Please read WP:NBD. Do you think, that you can simply ignore all policies, because you don't like my opinion on the content of that article? Raphael1 00:42, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

WP:NBD doesn't overturn old consensus if there's new controversy. That the George W. Bush article is vandalised many, many, times doesn't in any way suggest that we should rethink our consensed upon vandalism policy. Like I've said many times to you, if you want things to change, get consensus on the talk page, something which despite all of your protests you still don't have. That goes for everybody. That only some of the edits are yours is irrelevant. The point is that just because there's repeated reversions doesn't mean that they overturn consensus. Snoutwood (talk) 00:54, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Repeated reversions are a clear sign, that the consensus - if there still is one at all - is very weak. Because Polls are evil especially on minority matters, I'd prefer the WP:3RR is applied to both sides of this content dispute. Raphael1 01:04, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

The essay "Polls are evil" is not policy and is thus a poor argument. Many editors, including myself, disagree with that page in part or in entirety. Once you achieve consensus on that page to keep those images off the page, I'll start treating the addition of them as disruption. Until then, those images will stay on the page and removal of them will continue to be disruption. Snoutwood (talk) 01:14, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

This sounds like "Misplaced Pages is a democracy and everybody, who edits against majority decision, will be blocked for disruption." Please change WP:NOT and add "edits against previous poll results" to the disruption examples of the WP:BP. Raphael1 01:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not going to even respond to these baseless accusations but just for the record I just wanted to state that had I not been checking this noticeboard for another listing I would not have seen this as nobody bothered to notify me of this. Which is very bad etiquette. Pegasus1138 ---- 23:42, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Netscott

Three revert rule violation on Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Netscott (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 2006-04-24 00:25:01
• 1st revert: 2006-04-24 01:07:58
• 2nd revert: 2006-04-24 01:11:30
• 3rd revert: 2006-04-24 01:14:21
• 4th revert: 2006-04-24 01:24:10

Reported by: Raphael1 22:08, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

See above. --Stephan Schulz 22:27, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Anjoe

Three revert rule violation on Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Anjoe (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 2006-04-23 14:40:54
• 1st revert: 2006-04-23 14:55:51
• 2nd revert: 2006-04-23 15:11:35
• 3rd revert: 2006-04-23 15:22:04
• 4th revert: 2006-04-23 19:03:53
• 5th revert: 2006-04-23 19:26:35

Reported by: Raphael1 22:14, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: Well, Rafael, I'm expecting you report yourself with how many 10 revert the same day? -- tasc _deeds 22:22, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I've already been blocked for 48 hours. Raphael1 22:27, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

so you want more? -- tasc _deeds 22:29, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I want more justice. WP:3RR applies to all sides of a content dispute. Raphael1 22:42, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Not if you're the vandal. What do you think created WP:VAND? Consensus. What do you think created the decision that the images should be in the article? Consensus. Why do you uphold one more than the other? It's the same kettle of fish, mate, and I reckon that you'd best get used to it. If you don't want those images in, no matter what anyone else says, than I suggest forking and creating your own encyclopedia, because Misplaced Pages isn't the place for you. If you do care what other people think, then read that poll page one more time and if you still don't see the 10-1 supermajority then try and take it up on the talk page. Good luck, but I reckon that people are fairly sick of arguing about those images again, and again, and again. Snoutwood (talk) 00:02, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

If you think, that WP:NBD is wrong, go ahead and change it. Raphael1 00:35, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

WP:NBD isn't wrong. I'm not arguing for permanent decisions. But you're not overturning a consensus with the only thing that can overturn a consensus: namely, another consensus. You're just reverting against what's already been agreed upon, which is disruptive, and you'll wind up being blocked if you keep doing it. If you want to change something on WP, get consensus. Until you have that on that page, you have no right to continue to remove those images. Snoutwood (talk) 00:40, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Please look at the reverts. Only 4 of the 21 reverts I listed have been against my edit. Raphael1 00:45, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't matter. This happened over 48 hours before it was reported, and 3rr is not punishment. Please take the arguing elsewhere, this page is not the proper place for it. --Heah? 06:10, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

First you blame me, that I'm responsible for two thirds of the reverts and then you say it doesn't matter? How could I have reported the 3RR violation earlier since I've been blocked 48 hours? Raphael1 11:07, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Irgendwer

Three revert rule violation on Libertarianism (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Irgendwer (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 19:40, April 23, 2006
• 1st revert: 03:17, April 25, 2006
• 2nd revert: 15:07, April 25, 2006
• 3rd revert: 16:22, April 25, 2006
• 4th revert: 19:29, April 25, 2006

Reported by: Rhobite 23:35, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

• Has been notified about 3RR already , although he removes all warnings from his talk page. Rhobite 23:35, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

24 hrs for 3RR and behavior on his talk page. --Heah? 23:41, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Homeontherange

3RR violation at New anti-Semitism (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I need a second opinion as to whether the following reversion by me is a 3RR. I don't think it is as both the edit I am changing from and the edit I am changing too are different from earlier edits in that the quotation in question is much more succint and in a different form (the criticism being made is of the length of the quotation, the last edit in question addresses this concern. If uninolved admins view this as a 3RR I will revert myself. Homey 00:02, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

• edit one
• edit two
• edit three
• disputed last edit

No, the first doesn't seem to be a revert to a previous version, making this one edit and three reverts. I might be wrong- if anybody can demonstrate this, feel free to do so- but remember, WP:3RR is not a license to revert, and one more revert will certainly be 3RR. Please use talk rather than engaging in edit warring. --Heah? 00:10, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

The first edit restores the phrase "of its regular and consistent brutality against the Palestinians" into the introduction, which had just been removed. It's clearly a revert, he's restored it to a previous version, as this diff shows: . All four reverts restored the phrase to the intro, so it's a pretty clear case. Jayjg 00:41, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

It's clearly a 3RR violation, roughly Homey's third on this article in the last week or 10 days. SlimVirgin 00:43, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I looked over the article history and these diffs. It's clearly a violation of 3RR even though the underlying quote got changed in the last revert (irrelevant, since the portion Homey kept restoring is precisely the same). 24 hour block. · Katefan0/poll 00:53, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing this. I couldn't find the previous version. --Heah? 06:07, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Executor-usa and User:24.215.205.163

Three revert rule violation on OITC fraud (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Executor-usa (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and 24.215.205.163 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 23:09, 25 April 2006
• 1st revert: 23:10, 25 April 2006
• 2nd revert: 23:12, 25 April 2006
• 3rd revert: 23:14, 25 April 2006
• 4th revert: 23:16, 25 April 2006

etc.

Reported by: Alf 00:21, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: Neither had been warned before - hence 11 hours blocks and notes to both users. A content dispute over whether the article subject is a hoax or not.

User:Corax

Three revert rule violation on North American Man/Boy Love Association (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Corax (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 17:53, April 24, 2006
• 1st revert: 07:02, April 25, 2006
• 2nd revert: 20:11, April 25, 2006
• 3rd revert: 20:43, April 25, 2006
• 4th revert: 00:21, April 26, 2006
• 5th revert: 00:38, April 26, 2006
• 6th revert: 00:41, April 26, 2006

Reported by: Will Beback 00:56, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

Editor has been blocked once before for a 3RR violation. -Will Beback 00:58, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

User:CommonJoe

Three revert rule violation on Evolution (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). CommonJoe (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to:
• 1st revert: 02:18, 26 April 2006
• 2nd revert: 02:24, 26 April 2006
• 3rd revert: 02:27, 26 April 2006
• 4th revert: 02:29, 26 April 2006

Reported by: OhNoitsJamie 02:48, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: Keeps putting a "hoax" tag on Evolution and Global Warming (at least 9 times within the last hour on Evolution). OhNoitsJamie 02:48, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Blocked for 24 hours for vandalism, but it covers this as well I guess. Vsmith 03:01, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Artifex99

Three revert rule violation on Regular Grand Lodge of England (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Artifex99 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: Revision as of 03:28, 25 April 2006
• 1st revert: Reversion as of 16:35, 25 April 2006
• 2nd revert: Reversion as of 21:31, 25 April 2006
• 3rd revert: Reversion as of 02:17, 26 April 2006
• 4th revert: Reversion as of 02:58, 26 April 2006

Reported by: Vidkun 03:09, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments Keeps reverting requests for citations, and verifiable information on organisation (namely its own split).--Vidkun 03:09, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

The above is somewhat borderline based on time signature, so to avoid any possible leniency when it is not called for, here is a slightly different and more closely spaced 3RR set:

• Previous version reverted to: 22:19, 24 April 2006
• 1st revert: 16:35, 25 April 2006
• 2nd revert: 21:31, 25 April 2006
• 3rd revert: 02:17, 26 April 2006
• 4th revert: 02:58, 26 April 2006 MSJapan 03:21, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I have corrected my citations on this one . . . --Vidkun 03:30, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Balcer

Three revert rule violation on Talk:Nicolaus Copernicus (edit | ] | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Balcer (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to:00:52, 22 April 2006
• 1st revert: 23:51, 25 April 2006
• 2nd revert: 00:14, 26 April 2006
• 3rd revert: 00:41, 26 April 2006
• 4th revert: 00:50, 26 April 2006
• 5th revert: 02:20, 26 April 2006

Reported by: Ghirla 08:08, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: The guy is so much given to revert warring that I decided that the community should check him this time around. This self-professed moderator deletes rather harmless comments from Talk:Nicolaus Copernicus. He knows about 3RR too well, as he eloquently defended User:Molobo (when he was blocked for repeated 3RR violations) on WP:ANI and elsewhere. If you think he may be reformed without blocking action, go ahead. --Ghirla 08:08, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, while technically a violation, this case is not punishable IMO. Balcer was simply removing the inflammatory entry from the talk page, the entry unrelated to the article to begin with. I've worked with Balcer in the past and think he is a major asset of Misplaced Pages, where Polish-Russian-Ukrainian-German issues are frequently under an attack by POV pushers. Balcer is one of the most reasonable Polish editors (if not the most) and it would be disaster if he is aggravated and reduces his presence. But the main point is that his edits were simply removing of the harmful trollish entries at the talk page. --Irpen 08:23, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

If he was removing trollish comment then how is it "technically a violation"?- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 08:35, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I always welcome the judgement of the community. If my actions were incorrect, I will be happy to change my behaviour. However, in this case I believe I have done nothing wrong. Indeed, I think removing trollish comments by anonymous IPs is a service, not a violation. Note that User:Kusma also agreed with me in this matter, and reverted the anon twice. Even the anon himself eventually admitted on my talk page that his actions were incorrect (diff)! It is also interesting how the anon himself inserted his trollish comment 6 times, and yet Ghirlandajo has not bothered to list him for a 3RR violation as well.

I think it is worth considering that Ghirlandajo is not acting in good faith here, and has not revealed all of his motives. I refer everyone interested to our exchanges on Talk:Russophobia. On that talk page, after a long, contentious discussion, I was able to prove to Ghirlandajo that a prominent quote he inserted into the text and kept it there by numerous reverts was fabricated. I guess he is still miffed about that. Balcer 12:15, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

If you've violated 3RR, Ghirla should be free to list you, and his motives are irrelevant; in this case, his motives are the guesswork of the person trying to get out of a potential block. I don't think you've got any chance of getting blocked for this though. Personally, I don't think anyone should get blocked for reverting edits of anons. I've seen so many revert warriors get away with it, this is nowhere near a blockable offense in the greater context. I will say though, that since this was a talk page, you should have just scored his comments out if you believed them to be inflammatory. - Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 12:55, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

When talking about motives, I was not referring to the 3RR listing itself (of course anyone is entitled to do that), but rather to the unfair and unnecessary comment by Ghirlandajo given as a justification for it ("The guy is so much given to revert warring ..." etc). I should have made that clear. Balcer 13:03, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Ghirla's motives are the same as they have ever been. The current attempt to smear your name for simple cleaning of graffiti fromt talk pages fits the pattern shown in his RfC perfectly. He should receive a warning for libel agaisnt you and for taking community's time with such pointless accusation.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 14:30, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I will seek admins' warning to Piotrus on this issue. For the umpteenth time, he covers up a quite blatant (5 reverts in two hours!) 3RR violation by one of his comrades in arms by attempting to shift the phocus to "Ghirla's motives". I'm not going to tolerate this. Anon's comments were rather harmless and should have stayed on the talk page. It is not vandalism to be exempt from 3RR. As Piotr's comments show, he has been encouraging revert warring and downplaying the importance of 3RR whenever he posted on this page (see above), yet I do not presume to discuss *his* motives here, although this would really make an interesting reading. --Ghirla 14:37, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Corax

Three revert rule violation on North American Man/Boy Love Association (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Corax (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 15:27, April 23, 2006
• 1st revert: 23:02, April 24, 2006
• 2nd revert: 12:11, April 25, 2006
• 3rd revert: 12:43, April 25, 2006
• 4th revert: 16:21, April 25, 2006
• 5th revert: 16:38, April 25, 2006
• 6th revert: 16:41, April 25, 2006

Reported by: Davodd 10:05, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

User:Pnatt

Three revert rule violation on Australian Football League (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Pnatt (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• Previous version reverted to: 00:07, 26 April 2006
• 1st revert: 06:16, 26 April 2006
• 2nd revert: 19:54, 26 April 2006
• 3rd revert: 21:12, 26 April 2006
• 4th revert: 21:17, 26 April 2006
• 5th revert: 21:22, 26 April 2006
• 6th revert: 21:30, 26 April 2006

Reported by: Remy B 10:26, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

2006-04-26 10:48:17 ScottDavis blocked "Pnatt (contribs)" with an expiry time of 24 hours (Vandalism to Australian Rules Football etc) William M. Connolley 10:54, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Giovanni33

Three revert rule violation on Christianity (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Giovanni33 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

• Previous version reverted to: 09:00 12 April 2006

Hard to give an exact previous version, as Giovanni began to edit war by changing the introduction to "centred on stories" and "a character" on 12 April, and the article has, of course, changed since then. See this diff from 12 April. (Later, he edit warred with "accounts".)

• 1st revert: 02:50 26 April 2006

• Insertion of "self-defined" (not a revert, but given to show that the next one is) 02:55 26 April 2006

• 2nd revert: 03:04 26 April 2006
• 3rd revert: 03:17 26 April 2006

• Another editor removes something 07:16 26 April 2006

• 4th revert: 07:38 26 April 2006

• A different editor removes something 08:36 26 April 2006

• 5th revert: 09:00 26 April 2006
• 6th revert: 09:14 26 April 2006

Reported by: AnnH ♫ 10:27, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: Repeat offender. Was given numerous chances and warnings before 1st report. See here, and here. Has used sock-and/or-meat-puppets in the past, for voting and extra reverts, as established by checkuser in the case of BelindaGong (talk · contribs) and by an accidental signing of a post while logged on as Freethinker (talk · contribs). Is suspected of using others. Kecik (talk · contribs), for example, has 29 edits to articles. 27 of them are reverts to Giovanni's version, and the other two are just minor copyedits straight after reverting. As there's no IP match, there's nothing we can do, but it doesn't seem right that an account can exist for the sole purpose of helping out another user in votes and reverts. It's very difficult to get a proper consensus with this going on, and the average reverts of many editors with a history of working well with others has gone up since this started. AnnH ♫ 10:27, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

User:87.116.171.209 (yet again)

Three revert rule violation on List of legendary kings of Britain (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). 87.116.171.209 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):

• 1st revert: Revision as of 12:39, April 25, 2006
• 2nd revert: Revision as of 20:48, April 25, 2006
• 3rd revert: Revision as of 21:03, April 25, 2006
• 4th revert: Revision as of 11:02, April 26, 2006
• 5th revert: Revision as of 11:38, April 26, 2006
• 6th revert: Revision as of 12:16, April 26, 2006
• 7th revert: 12:23, April 26, 2006

Reported by: Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 11:38, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments: : User was blocked a few days ago for the same limitless and pointless reverting. Is doing the same thing on List of rulers of Montenegro and Rulers and heads of state of Ethiopia. Is not discussing it, and probably has no wish to. Looks like a vandal trying to take up the time of wikipedians. Would like his edits labelled vandalism by admins so I can revert him without violating 3RR. Also operates under IP addresses 87.116.178.132 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) and 87.116.165.178 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), all traceable to Serbia & Montenegro. - Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 11:38, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

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