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Rewrite Needed

I agree that there needs to be a rewrite. I would like to know more about the set design, from the giant slot machine, the use of rear projection in various Barry-Enright shows, and exactly WHEN did The Joker's Wild adapt the look of Bullseye? The Joker's Wild set since became very nice, and looks more like a casino setting. In-Correct (talk) 04:06, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

2007 Version

The Joker's Wild will return in Fall 2007. The game show will be distributed by King World. Got the info from SonyPicturesTelevision.com King Shadeed 23:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Pilot Discussion

I propose a theory about the use of celebrities for the pilot. As I understand, CBS back in the sixties did not want game shows on their daytime schedule (save for Password). But, on NBC, Hollywood Squares began to get strong ratings (not right away, but eventually). CBS passed on HS in 1965. Could it be that Barry tailored the show to include celebrities because CBS wanted to counterprogram HS? What are your thoughts?

 ?????? That depends. Who are you?! In-Correct (talk) 04:06, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Pair and a Joker

On a spin with a pair and a joker, if the player were to play the pair for $100, they might as well boost the value to $200 by using the Joker as well, by using the Joker as the displayed category. Playing the pair by itself for $100 makes no sense in this situation.

Actually, it does make sense if the spinning player was ahead and only needed $100 to win. For example, say the spinner has $400 and the opponent has $300. The spin is a pair and a joker. Say the spinner uses the joker and takes the category for $200. If the spinner then misses the question, the opponent can answer the question and win the game. But if the spinner opts to not use the joker and takes the category for only $100, the player can still win with a correct answer, but the opponent could only reach $400 if the spinner missed the question. For this reason, it was common for players to choose to not use their jokers if the base value for the category was enough to win. -- Seitz 19:53, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Split proposal

The size of an article is now 46 KB because some sections may be large enough to have their own articles. So I am wondering if it's alright adding {{split-apart}}. What do you think? --Gh87 04:14, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Only one Devil?

In regards to this claim:

>>Only one devil is used on the wheels, and is rotated from one window to another after each bonus game. <<

I've watched the bonus round in slow motion on my VCR, and from what I can tell, there are actually TWO Devils on one of the wheels. It's true that only one of the three wheels contains a Devil, but it looks like there are two Devils on that wheel.

Can anyone else confirm this? Jphillst 08:06, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

This has since been confirmed by Wikilen who was apparently a production staff worker for Barry-Enright. In-Correct (talk) 04:01, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

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2007 version?!

Are you kidding me? Tell me the name of this if it even exists. 128.113.228.11 (talk) 07:02, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

2007 version again

The proposed 2007 version, mentioned in a comment from September 2006, never made it to series. Calliaume (talk) 01:35, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

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• Somebody has been removing what I've edited or adding in the article of The Joker's Wild

Joe Dunn

Please stop linking WP:COPYVIO content in this article. Additionally, the unsourced section that has repeatedly been re-added to this article contains WP:EDITORIALization of information that is not discussed within the copyvio video linked. Use Template:Cite episode when referencing information from a television broadcast; however, please do not summarize or include unreferenced information regarding "stations affiliated with a network that insisted on the show following its rules regarding winnings limits" that is not discussed within a television episode when using Template:Cite episode to clearly state WP:V information. AldezD (talk) 06:22, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Then you're not seeing the video, and just dismissing it because of the fact that it's a video. If you did watch it, Jack Barry said plainly and clearly that this network, whoever it was (and at the time, the show was bought by CBS and was airing on more than a few of its non-owned stations), insisted on their practices being followed as a condition of carrying the series. That's indisputable. He made it very clear that there was an entire process that was going on behind the scenes with whoever this network was (again, more likely than not CBS) and that the audience needed to know what was going on. Even if the video clip isn't admissible as evidence, the information contained needs to be included on the page because without it, there's inaccuracy in regards to a champion's reign. --ChrisP2K5 (talk) 22:19, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

In the video:

• There's no source to the date of "early 1983".
• "Made history in several ways" is WP:EDITORIAL.
• "While Barry never said on air which network came up with the policy, in 1981 CBS purchased Joker for their owned and operated stations. CBS had a policy that all syndicated game shows airing on these stations adhere to their $25,000 winnings limit, a policy that resulted in the cancellation of a deal with Viacom Enterprises to air The $128,000 Question in 1976. Nevertheless, the limit was never mentioned again." is unsourced and not discussed within the video.

AldezD (talk) 02:06, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Then take away the mention of the term "early" if it bothers you. It still took place in 1983, and CBS did buy the Barry shows for its stations in 1981. They also a) had a strict winnings limit and b) were known to request it be in place for shows airing on their O&Os. Dunn's run a) was the most successful in the program's history (mentioned by Barry) and b) was the only one brought to an end by something other than defeat. You can't debate that. I'm not certain you're seeing this from the proper point of view as you're too quick to dismiss and not willing to offer a solution. --ChrisP2K5 (talk) 04:47, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

• It still took place in 1983 prove it.
• CBS did buy the Barry shows for its stations in 1981 prove it.
• They also a had a strict winnings limit prove it.
• And were known to request it be in place for shows airing on their O&Os prove it.
• Dunn's run was the most successful in the program's history prove it.
  • and was the only one brought to an end by something other than defeat prove it.

AldezD (talk) 06:16, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Well, there WAS proof, if you could've watched the video you were so quick to dismiss. I'm starting to notice an alarming lack of good faith on your part and am considering acting as such. --ChrisP2K5 (talk) 15:54, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

I did watch the video. There is no source either in discussion or a copyright watermark showing it took place in "early 1983". There are no references to the other bullets I've listed as well. You've provided no source for Dunn's being the most successful run and that the winnings limit was "never mentioned again". WP:ASSUMEGOODFAITH does not trump WP:V, and sources for this information have been requested multiple times. AldezD (talk) 16:06, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

So did you see where Jack Barry mentioned that Dunn had won more money in regular play than anyone else in the history of the show to that point? Because he did in fact say that. That makes it the most successful, and the dispute over the wording is a matter of semantics. The title of the video mentions the year as well, so that knocks off two bullets. The show was airing on WCBS in New York, which was an O&O of CBS, and Barry mentioned that the certain network made requests as conditions, so how could it not be CBS making that request? If you read most of the pages on the Wiki about CBS game shows airing during this time, they all had a limit in winnings of $25,000. I would refer you to the pages Double Dare (1976 game show), The Match Game, and Michael Larson for corroboration of that. So even if you disregard the possibility that CBS made a request, the network winnings limit amount was strict compared to what it later became($50k and then $75k). So that's three. There also wasn't any other champion in the three and a half years the show had left to run that was retired because of this rule, so I would call it safe to believe that it wasn't mentioned again. I don't understand why this has to be such a contentious issue with you. The event obviously happened if there's documentation, the host/producer of the show wouldn't have called the run the most successful in regular play if it wasn't, nobody else won as much outside of tournaments, and CBS had a strict limit on winnings. I don't understand what else could convince you. --ChrisP2K5 (talk) 10:16, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Regarding your post above:

• "That makes it the most successful,"—That makes it the most successful through that period, but the show was on the air for another three years after that episode. There's no proof that Dunn's record was not eclipsed later.
• The title of the video was added by the content uploader, which again does not mean this is accurate or verifiable.
• "If you read most of the pages on the Wiki about CBS game shows airing during this time, they all had a limit in winnings of $25,000."—Is this content sourced elsewhere? The mentions of a $25,000 winnings limit in Double Dare, Match Game, and Michael Larson are all unsourced.
• "...the network winnings limit amount was strict compared to what it later became($50k and then $75k)"—again, no source for this has been provided.
• "There also wasn't any other champion in the three and a half years the show had left to run that was retired because of this rule"—prove it.

AldezD (talk) 11:12, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

I suggest that the show itself ought to be considered a reliable source of information about what happened on the show. To me, that is obvious, just as a book is a reliable reference for what the book says – even if we do not have an online link to a copy of the book. I think it is also clear that Mr. Dunn was not allowed to continue competing and was required to give some of his winnings to charity after his winnings reached $66,200. If there is a potential copyright problem with providing a link to a clip from the show, I don't think that the link to a video excerpt from the show is necessary to establish the facts of what happened on the show. The mere fact that it happened on the show is sufficient to establish the fact that something happened on the show. The unqualified statement in the article saying that winners were allowed to continue until they were defeated is clearly untrue and needs to be corrected. —BarrelProof (talk) 21:08, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

What I think would clinch the whole thing is if I could find an episode guide. That way we could pinpoint the exact date. But it is clearly obvious that even though the video excerpt is a COPYVIO problem, it is a record of the event and even if right now I can't pin down the exact date of when it aired, the three of us have seen this bit of information and since BarrelProof has seen what I've seen, I believe unless you, AldezD, can find someone else to agree with your position, the consensus is that the information needs to be put into the article and left there because without it, what's left is patently false. --ChrisP2K5 (talk) 23:56, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

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