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==WP:BIASED==
The ] section confusingly starts by ]: to overcome this, I propose removing "A common argument in a dispute about reliable sources is that one source is biased and so another source should be given preference. The bias in sources argument is one way to present a POV as neutral by excluding sources that dispute the POV as biased." <BR>In its place, the policy should start with the much clearer statement from the ] guideline ] section: "Misplaced Pages articles are required to present a neutral point of view. However, reliable sources are not required to be neutral, unbiased, or objective. Sometimes non-neutral sources are the best possible sources for supporting information about the different viewpoints held on a subject." . . ], ] 06:54, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
:The current wording is strange, and the proposal is highly desirable. The current text was added ] by ] (user page has a retired template). I can't find mention of it in talk. ] (]) 10:25, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


== Quantitatively measuring NPOV == == Quantitatively measuring NPOV ==

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Quantitatively measuring NPOV

It has bothered me for quite a while that we have no way to measure NPOV. I think this is one reason we argue about it endlessly. It occurred to me that such a measurement is in fact possible. I'll illustrate with a table below. Full disclosure: this was mildly motivated by a dispute I've participated in at Watts Up With That. But I can honestly say that I don't care about that dispute much; what really interests me is having a way to gauge how prominently an article mentions negative information about the subject.

In my opinion, a table like this could be helpful in providing context to NPOV disputes. Others are more than welcome to edit the table below. The paragraph and sentence refer to the first mention of the negative information. If it were in the title, that would get a value of 0. The version column links to whatever version of the article I examined.MissPiggysEx (talk) 22:04, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

I've added a group column to the table for sorting purposes. The groupings are imperfect but still useful. For example if one sorts within the "tyrant" group, then by this measure, the negative information is most prominent for Stalin and Marcos, and by far the least prominent for Kim Jong Un. One could then discuss whether that is proper, or not.MissPiggysEx (talk) 13:31, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Article group negative information paragraph.sentence Subsequent article date version
Hamas terror terrorist 1.2 8 Sep 2015
Hezbollah terror terrorist 5.1 8 Sep 2015
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant terror Daesh; terrorist; war crimes 2.1 3.1 3.1 8 Sep 2015
Al-Qaeda terror terrorist 1.3 8 Sep 2015
Kim Jong-un tyrant poor grades; awkward with girls 9.4 9.7 8 Sep 2015
Kim Jong-un tyrant executions; cult of personality; nuclear threats 24.3 26.1 44.1 8 Sep 2015
Kim Jong-un tyrant crimes against humanity; famine; cannibalism in NOK 54.1 56.1 56.2 8 Sep 2015
Lenin tyrant red terror; dictator; human rights abuse 3.2 4.2 8 Sep 2015
Stalin tyrant dictator; gulag; famine 1.2 3.3 3.4 8 Sep 2015
Hitler tyrant dictator; ww2; holocaust 1.3 1.3 1.3 8 Sep 2015
Mao Zedong tyrant famine; cult of personality; 40-70 million dead 3.2 3.3 4.4 8 Sep 2015
Hugo Chavez tyrant economy faltered; murder rate; corruption 3.4 3.5 8 Sep 2015
Vladimir Putin tyrant electoral cheating, undemocratic, political murders 2.7 5.1 37.2 8 Sep 2015
Ferdinand Marcos tyrant dictator, corruption 1.2 8 Sep 2015
Church of Scientology religion cult 3.1 8 Sep 2015
Catholic Church religion ordination of women; sex abuse 5.3 5.3 8 Sep 2015
Moral Majority religion helped Mondale; is neither 14.4 16.2 8 Sep 2015
Intelligent design theory pseudoscience; no empirical support 1.1 1.2 8 Sep 2015
Homeopathy theory no empirical support; pseudoscience 1.2 1.3 8 Sep 2015
Watts Up With That theory denialist 1.1 8 Sep 2015
Smoking drug kills people 2.2 8 Sep 2015
Cocaine drug addictive 2.1 8 Sep 2015
Cannabis drug impairs memory 2.2 8 Sep 2015
Methamphetamine drug addictive; brain damage 1.5 3.6 8 Sep 2015

RFC initiated re whether "Vulture fund" is derogatory and should not be an article title despite COMMONNAME

An editor has initiated an RFC at: WP:Words to Watch regarding the use of the term "Vulture fund" as an article title as it may be considered pejorative despite being a COMMONNAME. Editors interested in NPOV policy may want to participate. --Mike Cline (talk) 23:51, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

RfC announce: What claims are governed by WP:MEDRS?

RfC announce: What claims are governed by WP:MEDRS?

There is a current RfC that concerns which claims should be sourced under WP:RS and which claims should be sourced under WP:MEDRS. This has the potential to affect sourcing rules for a large number of articles, so please help us to arrive at a clear consensus on this issue.

RfC:

Related:

--Guy Macon (talk) 21:54, 31 October 2015 (UTC)