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Canaanism

The section on Canaanism should be updated to reflect the recent genetic studies (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-05649-9#Fig1, https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-05649-9#Fig1, https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/7/eaax0061, and https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(20)30487-6.pdf ) that show the DNA of modern Palestinians is closely related to the DNA of the Canaanites: the descent of the Palestinians from the Iron Age and Bronze Age inhabitants is not in any doubt.Mcdruid (talk) 19:51, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes please add this! PoliticalMan2050 (talk) 10:09, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

The article from cell.com seems to be unavailable but the two other ones don't seem to suggest this, both the nature.com and the advances.sciencemag.org articles seem to talk only about the ancient iron age peoples and their DNA ancestry, not relating it to the modern Palestinians. Correct me if i'm wrong (talk) 17:28, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

The link works now. Zero 06:28, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

The articles cited all place the Canaanite DNA onto the standard map of Genetic groupings and they overlay the current Palestinian population. In addition, https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(20)30487-6.pdf in Figure S4 specifically measures the Palestinian DNA (and others) in comparison to more modern DNA. Mcdruid (talk) 02:56, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

The study is already mentioned under the "DNA and genetic studies" section, under the subsection "Between the Jews and Palestinians". It mentions that Arabic-speaking Levantine groups, including Palestinians (as well as several Jewish groups), were found to derive a majority of their ancestry from the Bronze Age Canaanite genetic component. Skllagyook (talk) 03:22, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Property Losses Estimate

The last sentence of the header reads: "According to Perry Anderson, it is estimated that half of the population in the Palestinian territories are refugees and that they have collectively suffered approximately US$300 billion in property losses due to Israeli confiscations, at 2008–09 prices."

However, the *total* national wealth of neighbouring Jordan (population >10M, greater than 2x the current population of the Gaza Strip + the West Bank) is $146 billion, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_countries_by_total_wealth. Even if property in Israel is substantially more valuable per square foot (possible), Israel's total national wealth is only $1,046 billion or $1.05 trillion (same source), and Israel is an unusually stable/rich/technologically innovative country by Middle Eastern standards so the land in an independent Palestine has no guarantee to be as valuable as land in the state of Israel.

I submit that this sentence should be removed as not credible, or at least have some sort of qualification added to it providing context (such as the total wealth of neighbouring Jordan).

Genetics

Why is there such a focus on genetics of Jews in this article? This is not an article about Jews. It's just unnecessarily cluttering the article.

Correct Grammar.

There are various grammatical errors. For example, the first paragraph has a semicolon where there should be a comma. Unable to edit due to restrictions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stalfnzo (talk • contribs) 01:09, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Fixed! Are there any other errors you'd like corrected? Also, please remember to sign your messages using four tildes (~~~~). -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 01:22, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Grammatical errors make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. I'll review the entire article and let you know if I find anything else. Peace — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stalfnzo (talk • contribs) 05:53 (UTC)

Documentation that most Arabs today in Palestine who identify as "Palestinians" likely have no ancestry to Palestine

"Innocents Abroad" by Mark Twain, published 1869, is a very well known classic of a detailed account of a border to border expedition of Palestine journeyed by Mark Twain & colleagues. It documents that for centuries Palestine was a "very unpopulated vast wasteland". There were no people groups occupying the land. You could journey for 3 days before meeting one person. The population today claiming to be Palestinian are very unlikely to have ancestral ties before the increase in non Jewish peoples that happened in the 1950's, hence, they are not from Palestine, & whose ancestors have not been there for even a century. IN PERSON INTERVIEW WITH THOSE CLAIMING TO BE PALESTINIAN, which anyone can do as I have done, will reveal these people are from Jordan and have little if no history in Palestine.

JoeFerrari (talk) 21:06, 25 May 2021 (UTC) Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page)."Innocents Abroad" by Mark Twain

Yes, you got that from Joan Peters's probably ghostwritten piece of historical fiction,From Time Immemorial. Go read Norman G. Finkelstein's review. But if you are really interested in the topic, attend any history course taught in any Israeli university of international standing, where the stupidity of that meme doesn't circulate.Nishidani (talk) 21:13, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

User:JoeFerrari Using that source to support the claim you are making would seem to be a fairly clear case of WP:OR, which is against Misplaced Pages policies. Skllagyook (talk) 21:20, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

It sounds like this editor has dived into the propaganda pool.

Here is some actual information:

• Travelogues_of_Palestine#Debate_over_mid-nineteenth_century_depictions.
• Christison, Kathleen (28 November 2001). Perceptions of Palestine: Their Influence on U.S. Middle East Policy. University of California Press. ISBN 978-0-520-92236-5. jaundiced observations of Palestine and Palestinians, publicized in his 1869 account of travels through Europe and the Holy Land, The Innocents Abroad, have made him a favorite with proponents of Israel ever since... In modern times, Twain's exaggerations have become grist for the mills of those who propagate the line that Palestine was a desolate land until settled and cultivated by Jewish pioneers. Twain's descriptions are highlighted in Israeli government press handouts that present a case for Israel's redemption of a land that had previously been empty and barren. His gross characterizations of the land and the people in the time before mass Jewish immigration are also often used by U.S. propagandists for Israel. Mark Twain's was only one of literally hundreds of travel books about the Middle East published in Europe and the United States throughout the nineteenth century that conveyed an image of Palestine and its Arabs; the image was almost without exception derogatory, although often less dramatically drawn than Twain's.
• Orientalism (book)

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