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| :{{U|NorthBySouthBaranof}} I'm not sure which edits you're referring to. The vast majority of my edits have ''added'' material, rather than deleted anyone else's. I can see that 00:30, 11:42, and 21:44 (my clock is in Pacific Time) are reversions--although the removal of an errant cn tag is hardly much of a reversion--but I don't see a fourth. Which would you identify as such and have me revert? | |||
| :On a more personal note, I would encourage you to avoid anything with a potential ] impact on yourself. You're obviously not happy, and I've invited you to explain why, which you still haven't done. Please, do so. And again, I invite you to edit collegially by ]. ] (]) 06:10, 13 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
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Chicdat removed your proposal on the grounds that the period for new proposals had ended, but seems to have neglected to inform you of this. (It's now on the talk page, though I'm not sure what the point of that is.) Since your proposal shares all important features with the previous proposal 6E, I invite you to support 6E instead. --JBL (talk) 14:40, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
- JayBeeEll Huh. I'm sure there's a note in there somewhere to that effect that I missed, but it seems counterintuitive to advertise an RfC for wider participation... and at the same time have new proposals be untimely. Thanks for your advice, and I may indeed support 6E, but no, I don't believe 6F as proposed by me shared all the important features, else I wouldn't have proposed it separately. Jclemens (talk) 16:36, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
- Well, I attempted (before it was removed) to query you about that, so let me do it here: your proposal 6F had 4 bullet points, it shares 3 of them with 6E, and your explanation for why 6F would be an improvement over the status quo only mentions the 3 points they have in common. So, uh, what's the important difference? --JBL (talk) 18:48, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
- The mandatory desysop'ing period. Full disclosure, I'd like to end admins-for-life, and force every admin to spend 6 months of the year without privileges, so that people can remember what it's like to have to ask someone else to do things for you, and not simply have the power to block, protect, delete, etc. I mean, yes, yours is the closest to mine, and I like it in general, but I don't know that I would call it quite equivalent. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 18:53, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks -- I agree they're not exactly equivalent. I think I was clearer in the other post, and now there's been more discussion by others, so if I have anything else to add I'll do it there. --JBL (talk) 21:40, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
- Fair enough, and thanks for proactively engaging. Jclemens (talk) 21:43, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks -- I agree they're not exactly equivalent. I think I was clearer in the other post, and now there's been more discussion by others, so if I have anything else to add I'll do it there. --JBL (talk) 21:40, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
- The mandatory desysop'ing period. Full disclosure, I'd like to end admins-for-life, and force every admin to spend 6 months of the year without privileges, so that people can remember what it's like to have to ask someone else to do things for you, and not simply have the power to block, protect, delete, etc. I mean, yes, yours is the closest to mine, and I like it in general, but I don't know that I would call it quite equivalent. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 18:53, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
- Well, I attempted (before it was removed) to query you about that, so let me do it here: your proposal 6F had 4 bullet points, it shares 3 of them with 6E, and your explanation for why 6F would be an improvement over the status quo only mentions the 3 points they have in common. So, uh, what's the important difference? --JBL (talk) 18:48, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
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Edit-warring at Family Research Council
Your unilateral removal of longstanding, well-sourced material from the Family Research Council article lede, inclusion of which has an explicit community consensus established by RFC, is wildly inappropriate sour grapes and violates policy. That your proposed addition of material to the lede has been challenged does not permit you to ignore established community consensus. If you want to remove mention of the SPLC from the lede, you'll need to open an RFC and change that consensus. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 21:49, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- (ec) Not in the least. I agree that what I removed should be in the lead, but it cannot be at this time because including it as it was is WP:UNDUE. There is more coverage in the article on the attack than the non-attack parts of the SPLC designation, so including the latter without the former would be UNDUE even if they weren't intrinsically connected by the words of the gunman. I continue to try to improve the article's balance despite your objection to making the lead reflect the balance of RS content. Consensus, assuming for the sake of argument such did exist, does not trump policy.
- Amending after reading the RFC you linked in your revision: That RFC was 9 years ago and in the same month of the shooting. The world has changed since then and so can consensus. Misplaced Pages does not run on stare decisis. Jclemens (talk) 22:00, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- You're welcome to attempt to change that consensus; unilaterally ignoring it is right out. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 22:02, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- Every appeal to the authority of consensus makes it seem more and more like you have no actual argument. Please take advantage of the below request to actually put together an argument why the SPLC-inspired shooting should NOT be included in the lead despite ongoing RS coverage. Jclemens (talk) 22:07, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- You're welcome to attempt to change that consensus; unilaterally ignoring it is right out. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 22:02, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- Amending after reading the RFC you linked in your revision: That RFC was 9 years ago and in the same month of the shooting. The world has changed since then and so can consensus. Misplaced Pages does not run on stare decisis. Jclemens (talk) 22:00, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- Here's an invitation, NorthBySouthBaranof: convince me why the 2012 shooting shouldn't be in the lead, in light of the 2018 WaPo magazine's inclusion of it in coverage of the SPLC's travails, and the 2019 USA Today editorial. I'm all ears. Jclemens (talk) 21:57, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
December 2021
Your recent editing history at Family Research Council shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.
You're on at least your fourth or fifth revert at this point; self-revert or I will file a 3RRNB report. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 05:56, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- NorthBySouthBaranof I'm not sure which edits you're referring to. The vast majority of my edits have added material, rather than deleted anyone else's. I can see that 00:30, 11:42, and 21:44 (my clock is in Pacific Time) are reversions--although the removal of an errant cn tag is hardly much of a reversion--but I don't see a fourth. Which would you identify as such and have me revert?
- On a more personal note, I would encourage you to avoid anything with a potential WP:BOOMERANG impact on yourself. You're obviously not happy, and I've invited you to explain why, which you still haven't done. Please, do so. And again, I invite you to edit collegially by avoiding templates. Jclemens (talk) 06:10, 13 December 2021 (UTC)