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Care to explain this edit you made to the Hurricane Irma article? You're a long-term user, so I was surprised to see you make a vandal-like edit. Master of Time (talk) 00:27, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what you're referring to. I simply moved a preposition over a few words to make the sentence grammatical.Dylanvt (talk) 00:46, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Edit: It is possible that I mistakenly changed the name of Christopher Landseal (who appears in a citation) to Spaghettiopher Landseal, which may have been caused by this Chrome extension that I have, which turns the word "Jesus" into "Jeffy" and the word "Christ" into "Spaghetti" every time either one appears on my browser. The inspiration for this extension is this tweet. As both the word "Christ" and the word "Spaghetti" appear to me as "Spaghetti", I can't verify that this did in fact happen, but it certainly seems possible. If so, I'll be sure to beware such changes in the future.Dylanvt (talk) 00:55, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Just click on "Show changes" and you can see if any weird browser-caused text modifications are trying to slip through. That's probably what happened. It's nice to have an explanation. Master of Time (talk) 02:04, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

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Borscht Etymology

Before making baseless accusations in an edit summary, you need to examine the edit history more carefully. In the Etymology section I was reverting an editor who had replaced "Ukrainian" with "Russian". The listing of both languages had been changed months ago as far as I can tell with an editor who removed "Ukrainian" and left only "Russian". And there has never been a discussion of including both languages on the Talk Page. It's not an important issue whether "such as" includes just Ukrainian or Russian as well, but I suggest that you save your polemic for fact-based issues on the Talk Page. TaivoLinguist (Taivo) (talk) 20:51, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

You're right, it would have been better to explain the issue on the talk page rather than in an edit summary.

I saw that you have reverted several random Russian nationalists replacing "Ukraine" and "Ukrainian" with "Russia" and "Russian", and that's good, but the ultimate replacement of "Ukrainian or Russian" with just "Ukrainian" was not justified, especially based on the 2016 talk page discussion. I'm just here to keep Misplaced Pages with a neutral POV. Dylanvt (talk) 21:10, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

I agree that the replacement of "Ukrainian and Russian" with either "Ukrainian" or "Russian" was unjustified, but my contribution was not that, but was the replacement of "Russian" with "Ukrainian" only. Another editor in the past (often an anon IP) removed the alternative construction. --TaivoLinguist (Taivo) (talk) 22:43, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

And as far as the Talk Page discussion goes, that was seven years ago and it concluded with a consensus for "U.. or R.." in the Etymology section. I haven't objected to that for seven years so that's just another reason to avoid personal attacks without analyzing what I had actually done (change R to U) and not what you supposed I did (change U or R to just U). --TaivoLinguist (Taivo) (talk) 22:51, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

I apologize for the harsh tone, but I was referring to this anonymous IP edit of 13 April 2022, which changed "U or R" to just "U" (and was reverted on 22 April 2022), and your subsequent reversion of the reversion on 22 April 2022, which returned it to just "U". Dylanvt (talk) 22:54, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

So I was responding to another edit (not having seen the previous edit 10 days prior), not making my own. You will also note that once the invasion began in Feb 2022, that russian vandalism on Ukrainian pages increased, especially in terms that followed the real-world politics of the time where russian patriots were forcibly eliminating "Ukraine" from the narrative in many places in Misplaced Pages. On the Borshct page this has manifested itself with regular replacement of "Ukraine" as the country of origin with various forms of "Russia", "Russian Empire", "western Russia", and even "Poland". While neutral POV is preferable, of course, anti-nationalism often looks like nationalism when the choices are binary. --TaivoLinguist (Taivo) (talk) 23:19, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Okay, that's fair. I admit I didn't give you the benefit of the doubt (that you simply hadn't noticed the edit from 10 days prior) due to your staunch defense on the talk page several years back. I concluded that you had probably removed "Russian" intentionally. In any case, I support you continuing to defend against the nationalists who replace mentions of Ukraine with Russia, and we will leave the status quo in the etymology section ("such as Ukrainian and Russian"). Dylanvt (talk) 23:26, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

And I commend you for your patience in reading back through years of posts on a fairly active Talk Page to find that ancient consensus. I will respect the consensus (which I agreed to so long ago). --TaivoLinguist (Taivo) (talk) 00:06, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

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Tone tag

Could you perhaps clarify what specific issues you had with the prose that led you to place this tag? Daniel Case (talk) 03:25, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Seems that section, as well as much of the "Accident" section, are written much more like a long-form journalism piece or memoir than an encyclopedic article, what you normally see on Misplaced Pages. Dylanvt (talk) 04:08, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Well, you only tagged the one section. Do you have any specific things (more specific than "seems like") you could point to that led to that tag? Daniel Case (talk) 23:02, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

The heavy quotation, especially of opinions, and the way quotes are incorporated into the prose, in both this section and the Accident section. E.g.: Parkways such as the Taconic, and winding roads like Commerce, once represented the county's rural charm, the possibility of living in the country yet close to the city, but while they were still charming they were now, with the area so heavily developed, "treacherous" with traffic. "ife 'in the country' increasingly replicates the ills of the city left behind." Dylanvt (talk) 00:54, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

OK, I see your point there and I will address it. Daniel Case (talk) 06:56, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

I see what I had been trying to do there ... paraphrase more (as there are some editors for whom the less we quote directly, the better), but now it makes sense to use the direct quote if I couldn't paraphrase without inadvertently picking up Tanenbaum's tone. Daniel Case (talk) 07:05, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Another user, Epicgenius, made some edits to that section in response to the tag, and then removed it. I also took a look at the accident section, and realized what you were talking about there—some paragraphs that, indeed, were needlessly dependent on quotes that really didn't tell us anything prose couldn't (Something that made sense in the earlier days of the article, when the disaster was fresher in everyone's minds). So I took most of them out (I would insist, however, on keeping that Rick Hope quote as it describes something no one else did—Brody's death, which his account leads up to—and I think quoting him recalling its sudden finality reminds us that human beings were involved here) and that tightened up those sections of the article quite a bit (at least 1K, which tells me of course that there was at least some fat we could lose). I now feel more confident in the article as a future FA candidate for next year's 10th anniversary date. (oops, forgot to separately sign this last night). Daniel Case (talk) 19:20, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

I definitely think it reads better now. I'll support the candidacy then if I see it or get pinged about it. Dylanvt (talk) 00:57, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, will be a little while ... there's some things that came up in peer review I have to take some time to fix first, and I'm not ready timewise to do that yet. Give it a couple of months. Daniel Case (talk) 03:31, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

So ...

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Warning about 1RR

Per this AE report, you are warned to mind 1RR in the ARBPIA topic area, and remedy any violations as soon as possible when they are pointed out. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:03, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Dylanvt, looks like you moved the article Tel al-Sultan airstrikes three times within a short period today (May 27, 2024) at 15:23, 15:37, and 15:41. Looks like a violation of 1RR, so I'm posting it under a previous warning related to the same issue.

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• 15:41, 27 May 2024‎

I noticed you received a previous warning about this. I will have to ask you to self-revert. Thank you,. HaOfa (talk) 18:21, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

These were reversions of obvious violations of policy despite repeated warnings, thus not covered by 1RR. Dylanvt (talk) 19:22, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

The exceptions to 1RR are listed at WP:3RRNO; that isn’t one of them. I suggest you self-revert. BilledMammal (talk) 19:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

There’s currently a discussion going to move the article from the current title. The move review for Israeli airstrike on the Iranian consulate in Damascus specifically found that prior to initiating a move proposal, the article should have been moved back to the original title. If I self-reverted here, someone else would just have to move it back yet again to the original title. Overall just a major waste of time and energy for the sake of “adhering to policies”, even though my moves were done specifically to… adhere to policies, and the reverts by John Adams were done specifically against those policies.Dylanvt (talk) 19:33, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Just to be clear, you've been made aware of your 1RR violation and are refusing to remedy it? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:40, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Am I really supposed to move the article back to a title it objectively should not have (based on Misplaced Pages policies!), just so someone else can then move it right back to where it currently is, as it is required to be based on WP:TITLECHANGES?? Is that what you’re telling me? Dylanvt (talk) 19:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

1RR is a bright line rule; it doesn’t matter how right you believe your edits are or how wrong you believe the edits you are reverting are.

If you are confident that someone else will reinstate your edit then I encourage you to self-revert and let them do that. BilledMammal (talk) 19:48, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

No one edit wars thinking that the weight of policy is against them. 1RR only has an exception for obvious vandalism, not disagreeing on the application of policy. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:27, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

So I should go in now, during an active move proposal, and move the article again?

Also, I can’t help but notice that none of this has been brought up to JohnAdams1800, despite the fact that he initiated this whole thing by being the first to make two reversions. Dylanvt (talk) 20:31, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Their talk page wasn't on my watchlist, and they haven't recently been warned at AE about 1rr. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:37, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

The article has now been extended confirmed protected at the title that I moved it to, that JohnAdams1800 reverted from multiple times. Dylanvt (talk) 21:37, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

That in no way prevents you from self-reverting. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:59, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I can't for the life of me understand this arbitration. The status quo was "Tel al-Sultan massacre". JohnAdams1800 violated 1RR (and WP:TITLECHANGES) in order to change the status quo to "Tel al-Sultan airstrikes". Now you're saying I should go back and change the title back to "Tel al-Sultan airstrikes" simply because I happened to make the most recent revert? Whereas if JohnAdams1800 had made the most recent revert you'd be telling him to self-revert back "Tel al-Sultan massacre"? And in either case, that this should be done despite protection at the title with "massacre" and an active move discussion based on that title? Where is the sense in all this? Dylanvt (talk) 22:08, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Hard disagree with everyone that that told Dylanvt to self-revert. Yes, Dylanvt should not have performed the moves in the first place, but by the time Dylanvt performed the self-revert, we were already deep in a move discussion. When that discussion started, the move from title had the word massacre and the proposed title had the word attack. Editors !voted oppose because they wanted the status quo to remain and the word massacre to be in the title, editors !voted support because they felt that term is inappropriate. Now the status quo title is something totally different, and neither the status quo title nor the proposed title contain the word massacre, the main point of contention the discussion is about. It's no longer obvious what editors are supporting and what editors are opposing. This sudden title change mid-discussion has thrown such a wrench into the RfC that it's now far more likely this discussion will be fruitless and we'll need a second one. To everyone who told Dylanvt to move the page back after the move request was initiated: @האופה:, @BilledMammal:, @ScottishFinnishRadish: you could see that large "A request that this article title be changed to Tel al-Sultan attack is under discussion. Please do not move this article until the discussion is closed. banner at the top of the article, right? Why would you specifically instruct Dylanvt to do something that no editor should ever do? You all should know better.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 01:57, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Could you see the large WARNING: ACTIVE ARBITRATION REMEDIES ... You may not make more than 1 revert within 24 hours on this article (except in limited circumstances) on the talk page, or You are subject to additional rules when you edit this article. ... You may not make more than 1 revert within 24 hours on this article (except in limited circumstances) when editing the article. No one should have been edit warring over the title, especially editors who have recently been warned for violating 1RR in the topic area. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

At the time, I considered the page move to be one of the limited circumstances where it was acceptable, seeing as I was undoing JohnAdams1800's edit warring where he accused me of "move vandalism", ignored my edit summaries, and ignored what I eventually wrote on the talk page until after his third second revert. He was acting in clear contravention of WP:TITLECHANGES, I was acting in order to facilitate a constructive move discussion and to undo the damage he was doing.

Regardless, this response fails to address in any way what Vanilla Wizard has pointed out; namely that you still ordered me to move the article back to a different title in the middle of a move discussion, thereby ruining the entire discussion and causing an enormous mess for everybody involved. But hey, at least I self-reverted, so you ought to be happy with this outcome. Dylanvt (talk) 12:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

I'll also point out that a separate admin, Amakuru, was forced to come in and move the article right back to what I initially moved it to – which you told me to move it away from during an ongoing discussion – on exactly the basis that I cited for the initial move, a basis that you paid no mind to throughout this entire massive time- and energy-wasting process. Three cheers for bureaucracy!!! Dylanvt (talk) 13:16, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

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