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Section sizes Section size for Palestinian genocide accusation (43 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 17,710 17,710 History 130 80,071 20th century 21 20,550 Nakba 7,619 7,619 Naksa 1,730 1,730 Sabra and Shatila massacre 11,180 11,180 21st century 21 56,393 Blockade of Gaza 6,398 6,398 2008 Gaza War 2,762 2,762 2014 Gaza War 4,199 4,199 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis 3,200 3,200 2023 Israel–Hamas war 34,253 39,813 Forcible population transfer 5,560 5,560 West Bank violence 2,998 2,998 Alleged genocidal attack types 19,781 19,781 Discourse 16 91,186 Conceptions of genocide 1,592 24,058 Raphael Lemkin 1,238 1,238 Other definitions of genocide 1,685 1,685 Genocide Convention 13,066 19,543 South Africa v. Israel (Genocide Convention) 3,719 3,719 Nicaragua v. Germany (Genocide Convention) 2,758 2,758 Academic discourse 1,568 26,084 Discourse on pre-2023 events 20,361 20,361 Discourse on post-2023 events 4,155 4,155 Legal discourse 10,695 10,695 Political discourse 20,930 20,930 Cultural discourse 9,403 9,403 Rhetoric 15 29,652 From Israeli officials 20,113 20,113 From American officials 9,524 9,524 Responses to the accusation 6,792 6,792 Victims 1,356 17,499 Deaths 11,849 11,849 Displacement 4,294 4,294 Alleged international complicity 16,966 16,966 See also 633 633 Notes 105 105 References 17 49,817 Footnotes 46 46 Works cited 49,754 49,754 Further reading 7,996 7,996 External links 697 697 Total 338,905 338,905

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To-do list for Palestinian genocide accusation: edit · history · watch · refresh · Updated 2024-10-02 Here are some tasks awaiting attention: Expand : The article is currently heavily biased to the Israel–Hamas war, which has it's own article dealing with genocide allegations, below are a collection of sources that are currently not used in the article, discussing the allegation of genocide against Palestinians prior to the Israel–Hamas war: News sources 2000–2010 Pappé, Illan (11 January 2007). "Palestine 2007: Genocide in Gaza, Ethnic Cleansing in the West Bank". Electronic Intifada. Pappé, Illan (28 January 2008). "Genocide in Gaza, Ethnic Cleansing in the West Bank". The Indypendent. Boyle, Francis A. (28 December 2009). "International Law And Israel's War On Gaza". Countercurrents.org. 2010–2015 Steinberg, Michele (3 February 2010). "Prof. Francis Boyle: Israel Is Committing Genocide". Scoop. Lynfield, Ben (23 February 2010). "Israel 'stole Palestinian heritage'". The Independent. King, Tim; Izzat, Nahida (30 April 2010). "Southern Poverty Law Center, Palestine, and the Definition of Genocide". Salem-News.com. Al-Jaza'iri, Isa (2 June 2010). "Flotilla massacre exposes criminal blockade of Gaza". In Defence of Marxism. "Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission: Israel Guilty of Genocide". Scoop. 27 November 2013. Arman, Abukar (27 July 2014). "On Gaza, genocide, and impunity". Al Jazeera. Fisher, Max (1 August 2014). "Here's the full text of the deleted Times of Israel post backing genocide in Gaza". Vox. Armstrong, Mick (6 August 2014). "What is happening in Palestine is genocide". Red Flag. Davis, Charles (13 August 2014). "Israel's War on Palestine: It's Bad, but Is It 'Genocide'?". Vice. Boren, Zachary Davies (25 August 2014). "Holocaust survivors and their descendants accuse Israel of 'genocide'". The Independent. "Palestinian leader accuses Israel of 'genocide' at UN". BBC News. 27 September 2014. Falk, Richard (6 October 2014). "Is Israel Guilty of Genocide in Its Assault on Gaza?". The Nation. 2015–2020 Çelik, Mehmet (8 May 2015). "Israeli MP Ayelet Shaked who called for genocide of Palestinians named Justice Minister". Daily Sabah. Electronic Intifada (3 May 2016). "Palestinians call for boycott of genocide conference in Jerusalem". Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions. Burston, Bradley (9 August 2016). "What We Talk About, When We Talk About Israel and Genocide". Haaretz. Nussbaum Cohen, Debra (10 August 2016). "The Jewish Activist Behind the Black Lives Matter Platform Calling Israel's Treatment of Palestinians 'Genocide'". Haaretz. Sidahmed, Mazin (11 August 2016). "Critics denounce Black Lives Matter platform accusing Israel of 'genocide'". The Guardian. Azzam, Zeina (15 August 2016). "The Movement for Black Lives, the Palestinian Struggle, and a Creeping Genocide". Common Dreams. Cohen, Stanley L. (29 December 2016). "Israel's never-ending crimes: It's not just settlements". Al Jazeera. Litvin, Yoav (6 January 2017). "The mainstreaming of Palestinian genocide". Mondoweiss. "The Nakba did not start or end in 1948". Al Jazeera. 23 May 2017. Blatman, Daniel (23 May 2017). "The Israeli Lawmaker Heralding Genocide Against Palestinians". Haaretz. Mohamad, Nabil (16 September 2017). "Remembering the Sabra and Shatila massacre 35 years on". Al Jazeera. Barrett, Kevin (1 November 2017). "Balfour: 100 years of deception, genocide and denial". Crescent International. "Israeli forces kill dozens of Palestinians in Gaza 'massacre'". Al Jazeera. 14 May 2018. Dabashi, Hamid (22 May 2018). "Palestine after the May 14 massacre". Al Jazeera. Elia, Nada (18 September 2018). "Israel's siege of Gaza: When does it become a genocide?". Middle East Eye. Litvin, Yoav (15 February 2019). "All Zionist roads lead to genocide". Al Jazeera. Wintour, Patrick (2 May 2019). "Persecution of Christians 'coming close to genocide' in Middle East – report". The Guardian. "Potential US presidential candidate accuses 'racist' Israel of committing 'genocide'". Middle East Monitor. 21 May 2019. Fisk, Robert (12 December 2019). "Sabra and Chatila taught me all massacres become 'alleged massacres' if we don't pay attention". The Independent. 2020–2023 Ridley, Yvonne (14 April 2020). "We must never forget Israel's massacre in Jenin". Middle East Monitor. Shakra, Eyad Abu (18 April 2020). "The Sabra and Shatila massacre". Arab News. Ali, Taj (11 April 2023). "British Unions Should Stand in Solidarity with Palestinian Workers". Jacobin. Academic sources 1950–2000 Rouleau, Eric (January 1975). "The Palestinian Quest". Foreign Affairs. 53 (2): 264–283. doi:10.2307/20039507. JSTOR 20039507. Sayigh, Rosemary (October 1983). "Women in Struggle: Palestine". Third World Quarterly. 5 (4). Taylor & Francis: 880–886. doi:10.1080/01436598308419739. JSTOR 3990828. Linn, Ruth (1999). "In the name of the Holocaust: Fears and hopes among Israeli soldiers and Palestinians". Journal of Genocide Research. 1 (3): 439–453. doi:10.1080/14623529908413971. 2000–2010 Ron, James (2000). "Savage Restraint: Israel, Palestine and the Dialectics of Legal Repression". Social Problems. 47 (4): 445–472. ISSN 0037-7791. Staub, Ervin; Bar-Tal, Daniel (2003). "Genocide, mass killing and intractable conflict: Roots, evolution, prevention and reconciliation". In Sears, D. O.; Huddy, L.; Jervis, R. (eds.). Oxford handbook of political psychology. Oxford University Press. pp. 710–751. ISBN 978-0199760107. Stohlman, Nancy; Aladin, Laurieann (2003). Live From Palestine: International and Palestinian Direct Action Against the Israeli Occupation. South End Press. ISBN 978-0896086951. Beinin, Joel (2003). "Is Terrorism a Useful Term in Understanding the Middle East and the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict?". Radical History Review. 2003 (85): 12–23. doi:10.1215/01636545-2003-85-12. Litvak, Meir; Webman, Esther. "Perceptions of the Holocaust in Palestinian Public Discourse" (PDF). Israel Studies. 8 (3). Indiana University Press: 123–140. JSTOR 30245620. Said, Edward W. (2004). "Memory, Inequality, and Power: Palestine and the Universality of Human Right". Alif: Journal of Comparative Poetics. 47 (3). American University in Cairo: 15–33. doi:10.2307/4047418. JSTOR 4047418. Kuriansky, Judy (2005). The Case for Palestine: An International Law Perspective. Bloomsbury Publishing. ISBN 978-0275990411. Midlarsky, Manus I. (2005). The Killing Trap: Genocide in the Twentieth Century. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0521894692. Quigley, John (2006). Terror in the Holy Land: Inside the Anguish of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. Duke University Press. ISBN 978-0-8223-8676-6. Moshman, David (2007). "Us and Them: Identity and Genocide". Identity: An International Journal of Theory and Research. 7 (2): 115–135. Ganguly, Debjani; Curthoys, Ned, eds. (2007). Edward Said: The Legacy of a Public Intellectual. Melbourne University Publishing. ISBN 978-0522853568. Rogan, Eugene L.; Shlaim, Avi, eds. (2007). The War for Palestine: Rewriting the History of 1948. Cambridge Middle East Studies (2nd ed.). Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0521699341. – First edition, 2001 Vollhardt, Johanna R. (2009). "The Role of Victim Beliefs in the Israeli–Palestinian Conflict: Risk or Potential for Peace?". Peace and Conflict. 15 (2). Routledge: 135–159. doi:10.1080/10781910802544373. ISSN 1532-7949. Hanafi, Sari (2009). "Spacio-cide: colonial politics, invisibility and rezoning in Palestinian territory". Contemporary Arab Affairs. 2 (1). Brill: 106–121. doi:10.1080/17550910802622645. ISSN 1755-0920. Bloxham, Donald (2009). The Final Solution: A Genocide. Oxford Histories. Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0199550340. 2010–2015 Lieberman, Benjamin (2010). "'Ethnic Cleansing' versus Genocide?". In Bloxham, Donald; Moses, A. Dirk (eds.). The Oxford Handbook of Genocide Studies. Oxford University Press. pp. 42–60. doi:10.1093/oxfordhb/9780199232116.013.0003. ISBN 978-0199232116. Collins, John (2010). "Between Acceleration and Occupation: Palestine and the Struggle for Global Justice". Studies in Social Justice. 4 (2): 199–215. doi:10.26522/ssj.v4i2.1002. Herman, Edward S.; Peterson, David (2010). The Politics of Genocide. Monthly Review Press. ISBN 978-1583672129. Moshman, David (2011). "Identity, Genocide, and Group Violence". In Schwartz, Seth J.; Luyck, Koen; Vignoles, Vivian L. (eds.). Handbook of Identity Theory and Research. Springer. pp. 917–932. doi:10.1007/978-1-4419-7988-9_39. ISBN 978-1-4419-7988-9. Davidson, Lawrence (2012). Cultural Genocide. Rutgers University Press. ISBN 978-0813553443. Docker, John (2012). "Instrumentalising the Holocaust: Israel, Settler-Colonialism, Genocide (Creating a Conversation between Raphaël Lemkin and Ilan Pappé)". Holy Land Studies. 11 (1). ISSN 1474-9475. Lloyd, David (2012). "Settler Colonialism and the State of Exception: The Example of Palestine/Israel". 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Scholarly and expert opinions on the Gaza genocide Sources v t e Name Month Profession Source Example statement (English or autotranslated and verified) Simplified position Notes Segal 13 October 2023 Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies Jewish Currents "A Textbook Case of Genocide" Yes Already in article 800 scholars 15 October 2023 Various scholars, most of whom in relevant fields. TWAILR journal website "we are compelled to sound the alarm about the possibility of the crime of genocide being perpetrated by Israeli forces against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.", "Language used by Israeli political and military figures appears to reproduce rhetoric and tropes associated with genocide and incitement to genocide.", "Evidence of incitement to genocide has also been present in Israeli public discourse." Maybe Already in article Signatories include Mohamed Adhikari and Taner Akçam Zarni 16 October 2023 Genocide scholar The Jakarta Post "As if to spit on the post-Holocaust moral clarion call of “never again”, Israel, a signatory to the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, has in effect declared its intention to commit an act of genocide by cutting off all “water, electricity, and food supplies” to the 2.2 million people in Gaza." Yes Already in article Genocide Watch 17 October 2023 Antigenocide NGO Genocide Watch "This settler ideology is supported by Likud, the party of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is committed to further settlement expansion. Like the American ideology of "manifest destiny," this settler ideology is used to justify forced displacement of Palestinians who have lived in the occupied territories for thousands of years.", "Dehumanization of the enemy is common in wars and genocides. It is already evident in this war, with Hamas militants spitting on and mutilating bodies of their victims and the Israeli Defence Minister calling Hamas "human animals." Dehumanization is a stage of genocide.", "Genocide Watch considers the war in Israel and Gaza to be at Stage 3: Discrimination, Stage 4: Dehumanization, Stage 5: Organization, Stage 6: Polarization, Stage 8: Persecution, and Stage 9: Extermination." Maybe Already in article Fassin 18 October 2023 Anthropologist and sociologist Le Monde "La directrice exécutive de Jewish Voice for Peace a lancé un vibrant « plaidoyer juif », appelant à « se dresser contre l'acte de génocide d'Israël ». Couper l'eau, l'électricité et le gaz, interrompre l'approvisionnement en nourriture et envoyer des missiles sur les marchés où les habitants tentent de se ravitailler, bombarder des ambulances et des hôpitaux déjà privés de tout ce qui leur permet de fonctionner, tuer des médecins et leur famille : la conjonction du siège total, des frappes aériennes et bientôt des troupes au sol condamne à mort un très grand nombre de civils – par les armes, la faim et la soif, le défaut de soins aux malades et aux blessés." , "Du premier génocide du XXe siècle, celui des Herero, en 1904, mené par l'armée allemande en Afrique australe, qui, selon les estimations, a provoqué 100 000 morts de déshydratation et de dénutrition, au génocide des juifs d'Europe et à celui des Tutsi, la non-reconnaissance de la qualité d'êtres humains à ceux qu'on veut éliminer et leur assimilation à des animaux a été le prélude aux pires violences." Yes Illouz 18 October 2023 Professor of sociology Le Monde "military response … against an enemy which has violated borders and international law, … is not genocide" No No longer in article Buljusmic-Kastura 19 October 2023 Genocide researcher Al Jazeera " is horrifying and it all leads us to where we are at right now, which is the fact that what is happening in Gaza is a genocide." Yes Not in article UN Special Rapporteurs 19 October 2023 Special Rapporteur on the human rights to safe drinking water and sanitation, Special Rapporteur on Violence against women and girls, Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian Territory, Special Rapporteur on the human rights of internally displaced persons, Special Rapporteur on the right to food, Special Rapporteur on the right of everyone to the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of physical and mental health, Special Rapporteur on the right to adequate housing, Special Rapporteur on contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights ""We are sounding the alarm: There is an ongoing campaign by Israel resulting in crimes against humanity in Gaza. Considering statements made by Israeli political leaders and their allies, accompanied by military action in Gaza and escalation of arrests and killing in the West Bank, there is also a risk of genocide against the Palestinian People," the experts said." Maybe Center for Constitutional Rights 19 October 2023 legal advocacy organization The Intercept "Katherine Gallagher, senior attorney with CCR and a legal representative for victims in the pending ICC investigation in Palestine, told The Intercept. "U.S. officials can be held responsible for their failure to prevent Israel's unfolding genocide, as well as for their complicity, by encouraging it and materially supporting it."" Yes Already in article; There is then also the CCR's full 44-page briefing declaring it genocide and naming the US as a complicit party (not in article). Dana 29 October 2023 Professor of Conflict and Humanitarian Studies The New Arab "As the Israeli genocide in Gaza unfolds and global public awareness is becoming increasingly acute, it is becoming clearer that the myths surrounding the colonial conflict in Palestine serve not as guides to understanding, but as barriers. These myths, perpetuated by pro-Israel propagandists, Western powers, and Arab regimes have had dire consequences – ones measured in lost lives, crushed hopes, and a perpetually destabilised region.", "Israel's ongoing genocide in Gaza serves as a tacit admission of Israel's fragility". Yes Kittel 31 October 2023 History Professor Berliner Zeitung "No, Israel's military response is not genocide – regardless of whether one uses narrower or broader definitions of the term." No Mokhiber 31 October 2023 Specialist in international human rights law, policy, and methodology The New Republic "A director of the United Nations High Commissioner of Human Rights has resigned, issuing a lengthy letter condemning the organization, the U.S., and Western media companies for their positions on the war between Israel and Hamas, which he described as a "text-book case of genocide."", ""Once again, we are seeing a genocide unfolding before our eyes, and the Organization that we serve appears powerless to stop it," wrote Craig Mokhiber, the group's New York office director, who had worked with the U.N. for more than three decades."" Yes Already in article 154 Holocaust scholars 1 November 2023 Holocaust scholars open letter at a conference in Prague "Today, more than ever, we need to reaffirm, without any caveats, the right of Jews to live in Israel and to defend themselves against those who deny Israel and Jews the right to exist. We deplore the humanitarian catastrophe of the Palestinian people in Gaza and note that it derives directly from the use of civilians as human shields by the Hamas. We, the scholars of the Holocaust assembled in Prague at the Lessons & Legacies conference, as well as other Holocaust scholars and persons devoted to Holocaust memory, unequivocally condemn the politics of terror pursued by Hamas and denounce the forces of global antisemitism." No McDoom talks about the statement in this journal article Jikeli 1 November 2023 Historian research paper "Only five posts were positive about Israel, some refuting the accusation that Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians. Notorious Jewish critics of Israel, such as Norman Finkelstein (Figure 11), Gabor Maté, and Jane Hirschmann were repeatedly used to accuse Israel of ethnic cleansing and genocide, often with embedded videos.", "It is worth noting that according to the United Nations definition of genocide, the Hamas massacre is genocide, while the Gaza war is not." No Mack 1 November 2023 Human rights lawyer Haaretz "The contention that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza in retribution for Hamas' October 7 massacres is a false claim not founded in international law." No Not in article Waxman 2 November 2023 professor of political science Jewish Currents "To be sure, some of the deeply disturbing rhetoric coming from senior figures in the Israeli government raises the risk of genocidal actions. However, to claim that genocide is already occurring requires stretching the concept too far, emptying it of any meaning." Maybe Already in article via Vox article Berenbaum & Zavadivker 4 November 2023 Historians and Holocaust scholars: 1; 2 Jerusalem Post "Israel has no greater ambition than to coexist with the Palestinians as peaceful neighbors; "threaten future attempts to identify, prevent, and prosecute that crime. It is equally damaging to the legitimacy of Holocaust and Genocide Studies as a field when such false claims are presented in the guise of scholarly expertise."" No Shaw 6 November 2023 International relations prof, Sociologist specialising in genocide New Lines Magazine ""Genocide" is generally under-deployed because states wish to avoid the responsibilities to "prevent and punish" that the convention imposes on signatories, but there is a special aversion to investigating its implications for Israel's conduct. Western states continue to protect it out of a misplaced belief that Jews, having been prime historical victims of genocide, cannot also be its perpetrators. Israel's current policies are rapidly destroying that conceit, however, and bringing closer the day when its leaders — as well as those of Hamas — will be brought to account for their crimes." Yes Already in article Spencer 7 November 2023 urban warfare researcher CNN "Israel is upholding the laws of war" No 48 scholars 9 November 2023 Professor of Law and Globalisation, Professor of Criminology, Professor of Criminology, Senior lecturer in Sociology, Professor of Social Anthropology, 43 other scholars International State Crime Initiative "the Israeli state is employing its extensive and advanced military capacity to inflict violence on Palestinian peoples on such a scale that it is accurate to frame it as the annihilation phase of genocide.", "Israel's announcement of a state of 'total siege' of Gaza, cutting off water, food, electricity and medical supplies, amounted to a clear statement of intent to commit genocide against the Palestinian people by 'deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part' (Genocide Convention 1948, Article 2)." Yes Already in article Blatman 11 November 2023 Holocaust historian Haaretz "The mere fact that Israel and the Palestinians have been waging a bloody war between them for four generations, and they are both committing war crimes and hair-raising acts of violence, still does not mean that a genocide began in Gaza in October 2023" Maybe Adel & Gallagher 12 November 2023 International lawyer and PhD researcher; Staff attorney at the CCR Al Jazeera "What is happening in Gaza fits the definition of genocide.", "To understand what is transpiring in Gaza, we must turn to the key legal frameworks that define genocide: Article 6 of the Rome Statute for the International Criminal Court and Article 2 of the Genocide Convention. Gaza's devastating reality mirrors these components of genocide. Despite claiming to target only Hamas, Israel is engaged in an all-out assault on the whole population of Gaza." Yes Karsenti et al 12 November 2023 Political scientist, historian and sociologists: 1; 2; 3; 4 AOC "By denying their historical connection with Palestine and by attributing a genocidal intention to those who built a state to protect themselves from any genocidal recurrence, Didier Fassin reactivates a classic anti-Semitic gesture that always proceeds by inversion: accusing the Jews of being guilty of what one is preparing to do or fantasizes about doing to them.", "And yet, one must choose sides on the question of whether or not one recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist. If one recognizes it, then the massacre of civilians, intentionally targeted on its sovereign territory, gives it the right not only to defend itself, but to take the necessary measures to ensure that this can never happen again, and therefore to eliminate Hamas, whose program this is." No Not in article Jürgen Habermas, Klaus Günther, Rainer Forst & Nicole Deitelhoff 13 November 2023 Philosopher and Social Theorist; Professor of Law; Philosopher; Political Scientist Site of "Normative Orders" Research Center at Goethe University Frankfurt "The Hamas massacre with the declared intention of eliminating Jewish life in general has prompted Israel to strike back. How this retaliation, which is justified in principle, is carried out is the subject of controversial debate; principles of proportionality, the prevention of civilian casualties and the waging of a war with the prospect of future peace must be the guiding principles. Despite all the concern for the fate of the Palestinian population, however, the standards of judgement slip completely when genocidal intentions are attributed to Israel's actions." No Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor 13 November 2023 Human rights NGO Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor "Euro-Med Monitor renewed its calls on all countries across the world to take decisive action to end the Israeli genocide against the people of the Gaza Strip, citing their legal obligations to stop this horrifying crime against humanity." Yes Verdeja 13 November 2023 Professor of peace studies and global politics (with a focus on genocide) Time "Verdeja says Israel's actions in Gaza are moving toward a "genocidal campaign." While he notes that it is clear Israeli forces intend to destroy Hamas, "the response when you have a security crisis…can be one of ceasefire, negotiation, or it can be genocide."" Maybe Already in article Sanford 13 November 2023 Anthropologist specialising in Human Rights and Genocide Time "City University of New York professor Victoria Sanford compares what's happening in Gaza to the killing or disappearance of more than 200,000 Mayans in Guatemala from 1960-1996, known as the Guatemalan genocide" Yes Already in article Simon 13 November 2023 Global Affairs professor, Director of the genocide studies Time "Israel has only explicitly said they want to exterminate Hamas, and has not directly stated intent to "destroy a religious, ethnic or racial group." Simon says it's possible a court could conclude that either Hamas or some elements of the Israel Defense Force (IDF) could be found guilty of committing an act of genocide, but "it's certainly not textbook in that connecting the intent to destroy ethnic group as such is difficult."" Maybe Already in article Kiernan 13 November 2023 Historian, Professor of International and Area Studies Time "Israel's retaliatory bombing of Gaza, however indiscriminate, and its current ground attacks, despite the numerous civilian casualties they are causing among Gaza's Palestinian population, do not meet the very high threshold that is required to meet the legal definition of genocide." No Already in article Corn 16 November 2023 Professor of law and expert on military law The Jewish Chronicle "Many accuse Israel of genocide. These accusations undermine the meaning of what they allege. It might be appealing to toss such accusations about but, as Justice Stewart warned, the significance of the concept of war crimes and credibility of the law is eroded by such overbroad and often invalid accusations. One need only consider the genocide accusation. Palestinians make up 20 percent of the Israeli population with the same civil rights and legal privileges as any other Israeli citizen. How this aligns with the accusation that Israel is engaged in a systemic effort to destroy this ethnic group is perplexing. Nor do casualties in Gaza support even suspicion of genocide." No The view that Palestinians enjoy the "same civil rights and legal privileges" is highly contested by other legal experts. See 2010 report, 2022 report, 2023 report Butler 17 November 2023 Philosopher Frankfurter Rundschau Q: "Welche Reaktion erhoffen Sie sich als Unterzeichnerin des offenen Briefes "Philosophie für Palästina"?." A: "Ich hoffe, dass der Völkermord an der Zivilbevölkerung in Gaza ein Ende hat. Es gibt Menschen, die sich von einem Völkermord abwenden, wenn er geschieht, und später bereuen, dass sie sich geweigert haben, das zu benennen, was sie sehen und wissen. Ich schließe mich denen an, die diese bösartige und vorsätzliche Gewalt als "Völkermord" bezeichnen, denn sie entspricht der Definition der Völkermordkonvention." Yes Goda & Herf 17 November 2023 Historians and Holocaust scholars: 1; 2 New York Times "Israel's targets are military: Hamas's soldiers, tunnels, headquarters and weapons stocks. By placing military targets in and under civilian structures, it is Hamas that violates laws of war. The 1948 U.N. Genocide Convention mentions demonstrable intent to destroy a national, racial or religious group. Mr. Bartov is mute about Israel's hundreds of phone calls to Gazans warning them to leave buildings in which Hamas fighters were located. Israel has urged civilians to evacuate to the south to escape battle. A government intent on genocide would do the opposite." No Eghbariah 21 November 2023 Human rights lawyer and academic The Nation "Some may claim that the invocation of genocide, especially in Gaza, is fraught. But does one have to wait for a genocide to be successfully completed to name it? This logic contributes to the politics of denial. When it comes to Gaza, there is a sense of moral hypocrisy that undergirds Western epistemological approaches, one which mutes the ability to name the violence inflicted upon Palestinians.", "If the international community takes its crimes seriously, then the discussion about the unfolding genocide in Gaza is not a matter of mere semantics.", "Numerous statements made by top Israeli politicians affirm their intentions. There is a forming consensus among leading scholars in the field of genocide studies that "these statements could easily be construed as indicating a genocidal intent," as Omer Bartov, an authority in the field, writes." Yes Crane 21 November 2023 International law scholar NPR "It's not an easy case because you have to have that smoking gun. So, you know, I respectfully disagree with his approach on this. If you look at both parties in this tragedy that is unfolding, the prime minister of Israel has to specifically state that, I intend to destroy, in whole or in part, the Palestinian people. And I would suggest, respectfully, that that has not been said. Now, they have a long-term problem politically, practically and legally related to their treatment of the Palestinians. But I would beg to differ. I don't think one would categorize that as genocide." No Not in article Kotek 22 November 2023 genocide scholar L'Express "The Israeli offensive on Gaza is nothing like the Herero genocide" No Michlic 26 November 2023 genocide scholar Belfast Newletter "The left that expresses these ideas have no intellectual knowledge of international laws making clear distinctions between different ways of killings", "Israel's war against Hamas in Gaza that entails urban house-to-house fighting that regrettably creates many civilian casualties, as in other wars of this type". No Hope Murray 26 November 2023 President of the International Network of Genocide Scholars News Letter "When asked if the Gaza events are "genocide," quoted approvingly from a piece by one of the network's members – Professor Martin Shaw " Yes Not in article Buser 28 November 2023 Historian The Jewish Journal of Greater Los Angeles "This is not genocide." No Friling, Jockusch, Steier-Livny, Patt & Porat 28 November 2023 Historians and Holocaust scholars: 1; 2; 3; 4; 5 Haaretz "Charging Israel With Genocide in Gaza Is Inflammatory and Dangerous. Historians must be guided by the facts, not political agendas. But when Omer Bartov in The New York Times charged Israel with 'verging' into genocide and ethnic cleansing, he grounded his argument in assertions, not evidence." No Already in article Moreno Ocampo 1 December 2023 Former chief prosecutor of the ICC Al Jazeera "The siege of Gaza itself, that is extermination or persecution as a crime against humanity, and it's a form of genocide... Inflicting conditions to destroy the group, that itself is a genocide. So creating a siege itself is a genocide, and that is very clear, that Israel want the siege is very clear. And the intentions to destroy the people, many officers from the Israel government are expressing genocidal intentions. That's why it's easy to say — under reasonable basis to believe — Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza." Yes Already in article Patel 2 December 2023 Legal researcher, reader in International law (holds LLM) Canadian Broadcasting Corporation ""The intent that we have observed is extensive and it comes from all quarters of the Israeli state," said Anisha Patel, a legal researcher with the group Law for Palestine — which provides legal analysis on international law as it relates to Palestinians." Yes Already in article Jones 2 December 2023 Political scientist, specialising in genocide Canadian Broadcasting Corporation ""I believe that the events of Oct. 7 qualify as a genocidal massacre of Israelis. I also think that the Israeli response, and indeed long standing Israeli policy towards the Gazan population, evinces elements of genocidal thinking and increasingly practice," he said." Maybe Ayyash 2 December 2023 Sociologist specialising in violence and colonialism Canadian Broadcasting Corporation "He says what's happening in Gaza is "a deliberate genocidal operation" and that Canada is complicit by having not called for a ceasefire." Yes Segal et al. 9 December 2023 60 scholars in Holocaust and Genocide Studies Contending Modernities "We, scholars of the Holocaust, genocide, and mass violence, feel compelled to warn of the danger of genocide in Israel's attack on Gaza.", "Moreover, dozens of statements of Israeli leaders, ministers in the war cabinet, and senior army officers since 7 October—that is, people with command authority—suggest an "intent to destroy" Palestinians "as such," in the language of the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide." Maybe Already in article Ben Hounet 13 December 2023 Social anthropologist Lundi.am "Beaucoup de chercheurs en France et en Europe se refusent à parler de génocide et évoquent, au mieux, le terme de nettoyage ethnique. Faut-il leur rappeler que de nombreux génocides ont été perpétrés dans la continuation du nettoyage ethnique et lorsque celui-ci a été rendu impossible ? Combien de cases faudra-il cocher avant que les puissances occidentales se décident à réagir fermement et que les intellectuels se saisissent vraiment de ce sujet ?" Yes Not in article Finkelstein 19 December 2023 Political scientist GV Wire "countered that Israel has been engaging in a genocidal war in Gaza since the conflict's inception" Yes Already in article Dirk Moses 19 December 2023 genocide scholar Democracy for the Arab World Now "Today, international law on genocide is working as it was designed to: allowing states to ruthlessly exterminate security threats while making it difficult to apply that law. By the reasoning of international lawyers supporting Israel's war in Gaza today, there are no limits to the number of Palestinian civilians who can be killed incidentally in the pursuit of Israeli military objectives.", "The grotesque nature of the law of genocide, however, is that victim numbers are irrelevant. All that counts is intent. If the intention is military rather than genocidal, many will argue not only that legitimate self-defense rather than genocide is taking place, but also that it is legal and even moral." Yes See also his November article in the Boston Review Ambos 22 December 2023 professor of criminal law and head of the Department of Foreign and International Criminal Law Hard to group into a clear category "Bartov chooses his words carefully. He warns of possibly impending genocide without claiming it is happening already. Some statements of certain Israeli policymakers are indeed worrisome. Yet, while they may be relevant for proving the necessary specific intent, they cannot automatically be attributed to the persons who are taking the military decisions." No Spencer 22 December 2023 genocide scholar K. online journal "As far as I am concerned, the charge of genocide against Israel is particularly shocking. It betrays a wilful refusal to recognise that Hamas has openly stated its genocidal aims, and has perpetrated acts which fall quite clearly within the definition of genocidal acts according to the Convention" No Lemkin Institute 29 December 2023 Antigenocide NGO Lemkin Institute "The genocide being perpetrated by the State of Israel is embedded in a complex historical, political, and strategic context that seems to have fostered and, ultimately, devolved into a pervasive genocidal dynamic on both sides of the conflict – Israel, on the one hand, and the Islamist militant organization known as Hamas, on the other – as well as among segments of their respective populations, especially, as will be explained below, in the case of Israel.", "The Lemkin Institute believes that Israel's retaliation against Palestinians amounts not only to war crimes and crimes against humanity, but also to genocide, as also asserted by, among others, the former Director of the New York Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Craig Mokhiber." Yes Already in article Bishara 1 January 2024 Political philosopher, director of the ACRPS Al-Muntaqa, journal of the Arab Center for Research and Policy Studies "The essay contends that Israel and its allies' claim of self-defence to justify their genocidal actions in Gaza and to marginalize moral judgements is a blatant lie.", "In this case, shared identity is a motive for rejecting Israel's monopolization of the conversation, its claim to speak in the name of the Jews while committing genocide, and its distortion of that identity with its criminal practices against the Palestinian people." Yes Includes specific responses to Habermas' arguments. Swazo 1 January 2024 Professor of philosophy North South Journal of Peace and Global Studies "Undoubtedly, the State of Israel is an Occupying Power and subject to the law of the Geneva Conventions in the manner of its treatment of the Palestinian people. In relation to international positive law (the Geneva Conventions, the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, etc.) and the morality central to the jus gentium, the State of Israel is by no means to be excepted in the way it decides to conduct itself vis-à-vis the Palestinian people in the Occupied Territories, including Gaza. The Palestinians throughout the Occupied Territories are entitled as a matter of jus gentium to the full protection the international community of nations can muster on those grounds. Thus, Louis Rene Beres (1989, 29) is entirely correct to remind that, the Genocide Convention, along with other "human rights 'regime'" treaties and declarations, "represents the end of the idea of absolute sovereignty concerning non-intervention when human rights are in grievous jeopardy." And, this certainly applies in the case of Israel's war being waged against the Palestinian people in Gaza (with spillover effects in the West Bank and East Jerusalem as the IDF supports settler Israelis in their hostile acts of dispossession and displacement of the Palestinians in those quarters)." Yes Cohen and Shany 2 January 2024 International Law Professors: 1 2 Just Security "The raising of even more serious charges – such as the commission of genocide, the "crime of crimes" – requires an even higher commitment to factual analysis, which should include all relevant facts, including those "inconvenient" to whoever is making such claims. Many of the allegations made in this regard, including those found in the recent South African application to the ICJ appear to fall short of this standard. Still, we do consider the South African application as potentially useful in drawing more attention to the positive obligations of the State of Israel to suppress incitement to genocide and to address potentially genocidal statements made in public by Israeli influencers and politicians." No Shaw 3 January 2024 International relations prof, Sociologist specialising in genocide Journal of Genocide Research "Likewise warning of the potential for genocide as a maximal end-state obscured the genocidal process that was already occurring, Moreover, if the United Nations Genocide Convention was an inevitable reference point, the choice to hew close to a legal tick-box exercise not only allowed defenders of Israel's violence to argued that the criteria had not been met. It also sidelined the Convention's manifold defects, recognized in the field since its inception, and those of the subsequent jurisprudence, recently exposed in the case of Ukraine.", "It was therefore essential to recognize that in genocidal war, policies radicalize. Israel's initial genocidal thrust contained the potential for a greater genocide, which might turn the right's most ambitious ideas into reality." Yes Already in article International Coalition to Stop Genocide in Palestine 3 January 2024 100 international organisations Common Dreams "urging governments across the globe to formally support South Africa's International Court of Justice case against Israel, accusing the government of genocidal violence in Gaza.", Yes Already in article Multiple specialists in international medicine 6 January 2024 The Lancet "Before October's escalation of violence, the effect of the Israeli siege of Gaza had already been described as a "slow-motion genocide".", "We situate this violence in relation to the definition of genocide as described in Article 2 of the Genocide Convention, focusing on physical elements including killing, causing serious bodily or mental harm, creating life-threatening conditions, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children.", "As public health and humanitarian professionals, we the authors state emphatically that the grave risk of genocide against the Palestinian people warrants immediate—and now overdue—action." Yes Already in article Rosensaft 9 January 2024 Professor of law, expert on genocide law Times of Israel "The word genocide is used willy-nilly by people all over the world, but genocide, as it has evolved since 1948 when the genocide convention was first adopted by the UN General Assembly, is a legal concept. And whatever else Israel is doing, and has done, it is not intending to destroy the Palestinian people; either on the West Bank or in Gaza", "Even Netanyahu, with whom I fundamentally disagree on most issues, is not planning to evict the Palestinians from Gaza. So the term genocide does not work.", "October 7 was a deliberate action by a genocidal organization that targeted Israeli — meaning Jewish — civilians: women, men, children, and the elderly." No 1,347 francophone academics 9 January 2024 (most relevant not all) L'Humanité "Nous nous opposons aux graves violations par Israël des droits humains et de la liberté académique des Palestiniens, à la guerre génocidaire en cours à Gaza ainsi qu'aux arrestations et détentions arbitraires en particulier celles subies par les étudiants et le personnel palestinien dans les universités de Cisjordanie." Yes Paul 10 January 2024 Professor of law San Francisco Chronicle "I see no evidence that Israel is trying to destroy all or a substantial part of the Palestinians." No Schabas 10 January 2024 Professor of international law, and expert in genocide ITV "Professor William Schabas, an elected President of the International Association of Genocide Scholars, was one of the world's first experts to sound the alarm, citing "serious risk of genocide" as early as late October 2023. "The evidence today is even more compelling," he told ITV News. "To me it is increasingly clear that Israel is not aiming to defeat Hamas, but rather to uproot or erase the population of Gaza."" Maybe Already in article Boyle 10 January 2024 Professor of international law ITV "Professor Francis Boyle, who won the first case ever under the genocide convention at the ICJ for the republic of Bosnia Herzegovina against Yugoslavia, said he is confident South Africa will win an order against Israel to cease and desist from committing all acts of genocide against the Palestinians. He told ITV News: "When I submitted my case, I had to work on it on my own. South Africa has an impressive team of experts who have managed to put together the most comprehensive and impeccable application."" Yes Flasch 10 January 2024 Legal Consultant in Public International Law, with a focus on armed conflict EJIL:Talk! - Blog of the European Journal of International Law "Despite having been firmly established in international law for three quarters of a century, the definition and requisite elements of the international crime of genocide appear to have been misunderstood or, in some cases, deliberately misapplied, seemingly by both scholars and laypersons.", "Labelling Israel's military operation against Hamas as an act of genocide may threaten to undo 75 years of work to prevent and punish the commission of genocide, by diluting and diminishing the effect of the Genocide Convention." No Wiese 11 January 2024 "research assistant and doctoral candidate at the Chair of European Law, Public International Law and Public Law" Stern "but is usually very difficult to prove"; "The destruction of the group must be the sole aim of the perpetrator"; "under international law, there is a right to self-defence" {{ }} Herik 11 January 2024 professor of international public law Leiden University website "That is a claim that is very difficult to prove, because you have to prove that Israel is acting with the specific purpose of exterminating the Palestinians." {{ }} Roth 11 January 2024 Lawyer and human rights activist PBS News Hour "I think there's not much question that the level of killing, the level of deprivation is sufficient to meet that predicate part of the crime of genocide." "This is all genocidal intent. also kind of worked backwards from the acts on the ground to say that, because Israel is bombing so indiscriminately, because it's using these massive 2,000-pound bombs in heavily populated areas, that this also shows an indifference to Palestinian civilian life, which itself is indicative of genocidal intent." Yes Walter 11 January 2024 Professor of international law Reputable online legal publication "Although the high number of civilian deaths and the enormous material damage are horrific, they do not necessarily prove an intent to commit genocide. For example, the repeated calls for the civilian population to leave certain parts of the area or the observance of the obligation to warn and set a deadline before withdrawing protection from a civilian hospital because it is being used outside its humanitarian purpose to commit acts harmful to the enemy speak against such an intent." No Platt 12 January 2024 social sciences professor with a focus on genocide research Deutschlandfunk Kultur (Audio episode) "Genocide really doesn't fit here/does not fit at all" (from title) No Boot 15 January 2024 Military historian The Washington Post "But while it's easy to second-guess the actions of Israeli forces, there is no evidence that they have engaged in a deliberate campaign to 'destroy, in whole or in part,' the Palestinian people — which is what 'genocide' means in international law. Awful as the civilian deaths in Gaza have been, they still constitute less than 1 percent of the territory's population. If Israel, with all the firepower at its disposal, had been trying to commit mass murder, the death toll would have been higher by orders of magnitude.", "That's why the charge of genocide has been rejected not only by the United States but also by Canada, Britain and Germany, among others." No Not in the article Mirsky 17 January 2024 Middle east and human rights expert UnHerd "South Africa was able to present evidence of genocidal-sounding intent from any number of political actors in the Netanyahu government. None of them, though, have direct decision-making authority over the conduct of the war, leading to open hostility between some of them (Itamar Ben-Gvir above all) with the IDF high command. That direct authority is reserved not just to the military professionals, but to the war cabinet, convened by Netanyahu to insulate him from his own coalition partners, and in which the political opposition to Netanyahu is well-represented; given Israeli public fury at Netanyahu, he would no longer be in power if they weren't in the room. Moreover, if genocide were Israel's aim, issuing warnings before bombings, creating humanitarian corridors (however limited), and allowing in food and other necessities would be a pretty poor way of going about it." No The evidence provided by South Africa in their submission, as detailed in this Guardian article, includes comments made by Yoav Gallant (Minister of Defence and member of the Israeli war cabinet), and made by Benjamin Netanyahu (Prime Minister of Israel) as evidence of genocidal intent. El-Affendi 18 January 2024 Professor of Politics and Dean of Social Sciences Journal of Genocide Research "If the (televised) Syrian genocide was the first internationally tolerated series of atrocities, then the recent genocidal violence in Gaza is the first with active input from the "international community."", "One maxim it should state is: if a series of actions approach genocide sufficiently to occasion a debate on whether they are genocide or not, then they are evil enough to be denounced without ifs or buts" Yes Already in article Samudzi 18 January 2024 Sociologist Journal of Genocide Research "Thus, inhered within this strategy, within Israel's retaliatory campaign on Gaza, is a transtemporal logic of genocide that attempts to neutralize the Gazan Palestinian in the present so as altogether displace and/or eliminate its presence and foreclose the possibility of its future.", "Because of the legal impunity that Israel has enjoyed, the question of genocide in Palestine transcends the applicability of the Genocide Convention (though, arguably, present violence in Gaza includes nearly every act outlined in Article II) and can be better sociologically understood through the eight techniques of genocide outlined by Lemkin himself." Yes Already in article Muravchik 18 January 2024 Political scientist The Wall Street Journal "Hamas, not Israel, is guilty of genocide." No Levene 21 January 2024 Professor of Jewish history and genocide Journal of Genocide Research "All that said, if the utterance of genocide too obviously sticks in the craw for those like Illouz, who might read an inherent dissonance in the implication of a post-Holocaust state committing the act – arguably the ultimate Jewish taboo – there might be other routes by which we could overcome a semantic disagreement.", "The reality of the situation, whatever nomenclature genocide scholars may consider most appropriate – genocide, genocidal warfare, permanent security, urbicide, social death –the Israeli state this time has dissolved any remaining vestige (if ever there was one) of moral unassailability and given other (liberal or illiberal) states who might have their own unfinished reckonings with communal adversaries the respectability of open season to do their worst." Yes Already in article 1,600 academics 23 January 2024 Various, some relevant La Jornada "Luego de rechazar cualquier discurso de odio o discriminación, llamaron a los universitarios de todo el país a apoyar diversas acciones, entre ellas sumarse al exhorto que lanzaron mas de mil 600 académicos de todo el continente a los gobiernos progresistas de América Latina para que actúen de forma conjunta contra el “genocidio” y presionen por un alto al fuego inmediato." Yes Dershowitz 24 January 2024 Professor of law Ynet "Israel did not commit genocide, the number of civilians who were killed is proportional to the number of combatants, it is lower than any war in modern history. Israel is trying its best to preserve civilian life, whereas Hamas is doing its best to take civilian lives." No Semerdjian 24 January 2024 History professor, Chair of Armenian genocide studies Journal of Genocide Research "Furthermore, as the civilian/combatant distinction has collapsed, and given the scale of civilian destruction, it appears the distinction between the targeted bombing promised by "humane war" and indiscriminate bombing has largely vanished. Since everything from taking shelter in hospitals or fleeing for safety is declared a form of human shielding, the entire civilian population has been transformed into a legal target. This too is the logic of genocide.", "Terms like "civil war," "conflict," and even "counterinsurgency" frequently serve as legal cover for genocide, and in its wake, form the repertoire of genocide denial.", "For many, the killing of Palestinians in Gaza is justifiable self-defense. In the wake of 7 October, America and European allies offered support for Israel's unrestrained "right to defense" for "permanent security" in the tradition of America's own War on Terror. The problem is, genocides are also premised on the right to security and self-defense against an existential threat." Yes Already in article Fassin 25 January 2024 Anthropologist and sociologist AOC "Didier Fassin joue un rôle de lanceur d’alerte lorsqu'il écrit le 1er novembre 2023 : « Alors que la plupart des gouvernements occidentaux continuent de dire "le droit d'Israël à se défendre" sans y mettre de réserves autres que rhétoriques et sans même imaginer un droit semblable pour les Palestiniens, il y a en effet une responsabilité historique à prévenir ce qui pourrait devenir le premier génocide du XXIe siècle. »" Yes Kontorovich 25 January 2024 Lawyer, specialising in international law Israel Hayom "The good news was the International Court of Justice did not effectively order us to wait to be tortured and murdered, by demanding a halt to the Gaza War. That is certainly good – but only in the twisted world where the ICJ is putting Israel, not Hamas, on trial for the absolutely absurd charge of genocide." No Already in article Üngör 26 January 2024 Professor of genocide studies Journal of Genocide Research "The dynamic of violence since 7 October then is not a qualitative transmutation, but a corollary of the path-dependent history of the conflict: asymmetrical power relations, and annihilatory attitudes towards civilians.", "It is also evident to most observers that the Israeli reaction is unmistakably counter-genocidal in terms of the quantity, quality, and dynamic of mass violence. Even if we disregard the quantitative dimension of the ongoing death toll, an analysis of the qualitative elements of the violence indicates a complex process of destruction." Yes Already in article Lederman 29 January 2024 Holocaust scholar Journal of Genocide Research "On 7 October, Gaza became a laboratory for genocidal violence. I use this term to distinguish it from genocide per se, to refer to violence that has certain genocidal characteristics but not others.", "Considering the importance of settler colonialism as a frame of analysis in genocide studies, we may do well to consider Gaza as a laboratory not just for the dynamic of settler colonialism and its contemporary relevance as underlying hegemonic legal, political, and moral frameworks, but also for the politics of applying this frame and its moral implications." Maybe Already in article Illouz 2 February 2024 Professor of sociology The Forward "The people who surround him —Ben Gvir and Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich — are more overtly fascist. They believe in violence. Their camp murdered Yitzhak Rabin. They hold and defend Jewish supremacist views. Their declarations after Oct. 7 amounted to calls to genocide (even though I do not think Israel is committing genocide)." No No longer in article Charny 2 February 2024 genocide scholar Genocide Watch "Israel is fighting back legitimately in Self-Defense in Response and in Self-Defense against Future Genocidal Attacks that Employ Citizens as Human Shields. The Geneva Conventions specifically outlaw use of human shields and justify fighting back in response. Self-Defense does not include genocidal intent." No El-Affendi 3 February 2024 Professor of politics, Dean of Social Sciences Al Jazeera "Increasing partisanship in Genocide Studies threatens the field itself", "An endless stream of interventions in the media accompanied and followed these initiatives, exhibiting mounting polarisation and politicization", "This public split among scholars prompted the Journal of Genocide Research, the leading and oldest periodical in the field, to organise a forum on the topic 'Israel-Palestine: Atrocity Crimes and the Crisis of Holocaust and Genocide Studies'. It invited a small number of leading figures in the field", "Overall, in the forum, there was uneven worry about the health of the field, but near consensus that what Israel is doing in Gaza is certainly "genocidal" if not outright genocide", "I also stand by my point that the increasing polarisation and partisanship in the field, together with the 'major democracies' simultaneously assuming the role of participants and deniers, is a very serious blow to the whole endeavour of genocide prevention." Yes Mockaitis 4 February 2024 Historian The Hill "The IDF campaign has left much of Gaza in ruins, displacing people and creating a massive refugee and humanitarian crisis. However, the use of excessive force stems from an aversion to casualties, not genocidal intent. If the massive assault on Gaza is not genocide, it may constitute a war crime, although that will be hard to prove. No Trachtenberg 7 February 2024 Historian, specialising in Jewish History The New Yorker "Trachtenberg testified to a consensus opinion among historians of genocide that what is happening in Gaza can indeed be called a genocide, largely because the intent to cause death on a massive scale has been so clear in the statements of Israeli officials. "We are watching the genocide unfold as we speak," he said. "We are in this incredibly unique position where we can intervene to stop it, using the mechanisms of international law that are available to us."" Yes Already in article Burke-White 8 February 2024 Professor of international law University of Pennsylvania website "It should be noted that genocide is an incredibly difficult crime to prove. Genocide refers to any of a series of acts – such as the killing or the transfer of children—undertaken with "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group." Historically, courts have struggled to prove the relevant intent, which is not just murder but a concerted policy to destroy a people as a whole. For South Africa to win this case, it will need to find and provide evidence that the Israeli government's intent was not merely to prevent attacks such as those of October 7 or to degrade the capability of Hamas, but rather to annihilate the Palestinian people as a whole." {{ }} Fassin 8 February 2024 Anthropologist and sociologist Journal of Genocide Research "It is a similar exercise that I want to propose here about the arguments used by those who have championed the right of Israel to defend itself at whatever cost for Palestinian civilians and have attacked those who have alerted the world to the risk of a genocide being perpetrated in Gaza", "As the destruction of public infrastructures, including hospitals and schools, and the tally of civilian casualties, mostly children and women, increased in Gaza on a scale never seen before in Palestine, the qualification of the war crimes committed by Israel as possibly a genocide by scholars, lawyers, experts from international organizations and even governments has generated hostile reactions in Israel and among supporters of the Israeli politics of retaliation, mostly in Western countries.", "The critics of this qualification, many of them academics, maintained that a state created for a people victim of the quintessential genocide could not be suspected of committing a similar crime", "Alerting to the prospect of a genocide being perpetrated in Gaza is stigmatized as an unconscious desire to have a genocide perpetrated against the Jews." Yes Already in article Posen 14 February 2024 Political scientist and security analyst Foreign Policy "One answer is simple. When war is fought among civilians, civilians are killed.", "Western militaries, including the IDF, try to live by these laws, though the law of armed conflict does not proscribe them from waging war. They try to follow these rules in part because they reflect the values of the societies that they serve and in part because of an expectation of reciprocity, but also because pragmatically, they know that lots of civilian casualties can become a political liability at home and abroad. Hamas spends the lives of Palestinian civilians as ammunition in an information war." No Green 16 February 2024 Professor of Law and Globalisation State Crime Journal "Just two months after this special issue was finalized Israel launched its catastrophic, genocidal assault on Gaza.", "As this timely and crucially important volume demonstrates Israel's genocide of the Palestinians is bound both to the logic of settler colonialism and to the necessity of its abolition.", "What we are witnessing now, not only in Gaza but across historic Palestine is the denouement in Israel's genocide of the indigenous Palestinians…a second Nakba and as Knesset member Arial Kallner demanded one that dwarfs the Nakba of 1948." Yes Not in the article Genocide Watch 20 February 2024 Antigenocide NGO Genocide Watch "These are the signs of the genocidal process in Israel's war in Gaza: Israel's leaders persist in conflating all Palestinian people with Hamas. ; Israel's leaders incite genocide against Palestinians by dehumanizing Palestinians as "human animals" and by summoning Biblical justification for genocide ; Israel collectively punishes all Gazans for the actions of Hamas. Israel's leaders deny that there are any innocent civilians in Gaza. This falsehood denies any duty to obey the laws of war, which require avoidance of attacks on civilians. ; This collective punishment is used to justify the bombing and killing of tens of thousands of Palestinian women, children, and noncombatants, including at least 85 journalists ; Israel has forcibly displaced 1.7 million Gazans from their homes into tent cities ; Israel bombs and assaults hospitals where wounded civilians seek medical care and shelter ; Israel bombs Palestinian refugee camps in Gaza ; Israel bombs and attacks areas in Gaza to which it has directed civilians for their "safety" ; Israel bombs “escape routes” it has designated for Palestinians fleeing Israeli attacks ; Israel's blockade and siege of Gaza is producing widespread famine ." Yes Not in article Falk 25 February 2024 Professor of international law, and Chair of EuroMed-Monitor Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor "This pattern is quite extraordinary because the states supporting Israel, above all the United States, have claimed the high moral and legal ground for themselves and have long lectured the states of the Global South about the importance of the rule of law, human rights, and respect for international law. This is instead of urging compliance with international law and morality by both sides in the face of the most transparent genocide in all of human history. In the numerous pre-Gaza genocides, the existential horrors that occurred were largely known after the fact and through statistics and abstractions, occasionally vivified by the tales told by survivors. The events, although historically reconstructed, were not as immediately real as these events in Gaza with the daily reports from journalists on the scene for more than three months." Yes Human Rights Watch 26 February 2024 International human rights NGO Human Rights Watch website "The Israeli government is starving Gaza's 2.3 million Palestinians, putting them in even more peril than before the World Court's binding order", "The Israeli government has simply ignored the court's ruling, and in some ways even intensified its repression, including further blocking lifesaving aid" Yes Already in article Amnesty International 26 February 2024 International human rights NGO Amnesty International website "One month after the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ordered "immediate and effective measures" to protect Palestinians in the occupied Gaza Strip from the risk of genocide by ensuring sufficient humanitarian assistance and enabling basic services, Israel has failed to take even the bare minimum steps to comply, Amnesty International said today." Yes Already in article Fakhri 27 February 2024 Professor of law, Special Rapporteur on the Right to Food The Guardian "Michael Fakhri says denial of food is war crime and constitutes 'a situation of genocide'", "In my view as a UN human rights expert, this is now a situation of genocide." Yes Already in article Giroux 1 March 2024 Scholar and culture critic Policy and Practice: A Development Education Review "While the International Court of Justice judgment should be welcomed, it is hard to imagine why there isn't an immediate call for a cease-fire and a full-fledged acknowledgment of Israel's committed war crimes and acts of genocide.", "Higher education may be one of the few sites left where prominent issues such as the genocidal war on Gaza can be analysed, engaged, and subject to the rigours of history, a comprehensive analysis, and relevant evidence." Yes 1,346 academics 1 March 2024 (some relevant not all) Academics 4 Peace "Israel's assault on Gaza appears to include both acts and intent stated in the definition of genocide.", "President Biden, do not let the United States go down in history as the enabler of genocide" Yes Not in the article Segal & Daniele 5 March 2024 Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies; Professor of law, specialising in armed conflict, humanitarian, and international law Journal of Genocide Research "Finkel reasonably concluded that it was "hard to imagine a more actionable template to destroy a national group," and that the "combination of official statements denying Ukraine and Ukrainians the right to exist, and mounting evidence of deliberate, large-scale targeting of Ukrainian civilians" left "little room for doubt" that “the threshold from war crimes to genocide" was crossed.", "Applying the same standard indicated by Finkel to the Israeli mainstream political and media discourse about Palestinians, the threshold from war crimes to genocide has been crossed before 7 October. In May 2023, a clear template to destroy a national group was proposed by Jeffrey Camras in an article in the Times of Israel. Camras proposed that "in order to right a wrong, in order to make peace and move forward, Palestine must be obliterated."", "Nonetheless, no Holocaust scholar viewed this situation in the way Finkel saw Russia's attack on Ukraine. Most Holocaust scholars, in fact, never even mentioned the large body of evidence of Israeli international crimes in the fifty-six years of Israeli occupation.", "The very different ways in which Holocaust scholars, on the one hand, and those working in Genocide Studies, on the other, have responded to the unfolding mass violence in Israel and Palestine after 7 October point to an unprecedented crisis in Holocaust and Genocide Studies. We argue that the crisis stems from the significant evidence for genocide in Israel's attack on Gaza, which has exposed the exceptional status accorded to Israel as a foundational element in the field, that is, the idea that Israel, the state of Holocaust survivors, can never perpetrate genocide." Yes Already in article Feldmann 6 March 2024 Professor of international law Time, via World Socialist Website "Israel's efforts to defend itself against Hamas, even if found to involve killing disproportionate number of civilians, do not turn Israel into a genocidal actor comparable to the Nazis or the Hutu regime in Rwanda. The genocide charge depends on intent. And Israel, as a state, is not fighting the Gaza War with the intent to destroy the Palestinian people.", "These relevant facts matter for putting the genocide charge into the context of potential antisemitism. Neither South Africa nor other states have brought a genocide case against China for its conduct in Tibet or Xinjiang, or against Russia for its invasion of Ukraine. There is something specifically noteworthy about leveling the charge at the Jewish state—something intertwined with the new narrative of the Jews as archetypal oppressors rather than archetypal victims. Call it the genocide sleight of hand: if the Jews are depicted as genocidal—if Israel becomes the very archetype of a genocidal state—then Jews are much less likely to be conceived as a historically oppressed people engaged in self-defense." No Scholars of Middle East Studies 11 March 2024 Middle East Studies Association Al Jazeera "accelerating scale of genocidal violence being inflicted on the Palestinian population of Gaza" Yes Already in article Quigley 14 March 2024 Law professor EJIL:Talk! - Blog of the European Journal of International Law "South Africa will be able to present considerable evidence of knowing destruction, from the mouths of UN officials and representatives of non-governmental aid organizations.", "The "conditions of life" were imposed not merely on discrete sectors of the group, but on its entirety. Israel had control over both egress and ingress from the relevant territory. No intent alternative to that of destruction was apparent." Maybe Already in article Pfeifer/Weipert-Fenner/Williams 21 March 2024 Professor and scientific staff blog of peace research institute "Whether the ICJ will classify Israeli violence as genocide cannot be answered at this point in time." Maybe Albanese 25 March 2024 Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian Territory occupied since 1967; researcher and international lawyer United Nations "By analysing the patterns of violence and Israeli policies in its onslaught on Gaza, the present report concludes that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating that Israel has committed genocide has been met. One of the key findings of the report is that the Israeli executive and military leadership and Israeli soldiers have intentionally distorted jus in bello principles, subverting their protective functions, in an attempt to legitimize genocidal violence against the Palestinian people" Yes Already in article Sahara 1 April 2024 Professor of political science The Journal of Research Institute for the History of Global Arms Transfer "The scale of violence of the recent Israeli war has already exceeded the initial stages of ethnic cleansing in Bosnia and is becoming an immense ethnic cleansing comparable with the Armenian case. In light of the bellicose discriminatory discourses of the Israeli leaders, systematic destruction of civilian targets, forced starvation, and rapidly deteriorating hygiene conditions in Gaza, there are ample grounds to believe that the war on Gaza will develop into a full-fledged genocide if unchecked." Maybe Not in the article 1,101 lawyers 3 April 2024 Various legal scholars and practitioners Open letter to Rishi Sunak "These facts demonstrate a pattern of behaviour giving rise not only to specific violations of IHL and of crimes against humanity but also, when taken together with the evidence of genocidal intent in statements by senior Israeli officials cited by the ICJ in its Provisional Order, a serious risk of genocide. That risk relates in particular to the Genocide Convention Article II (a) "killing members of the group"; (b) "causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group"; and (c) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or part". In light of the infant and maternal mortality rates and the destruction of Gaza's healthcare system described above, these facts may also give rise to violations of Article II(d), i.e. "imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group"." Yes Already in article Signatories include Jonathan Sumption, Brenda Hale, Nicholas Wilson and Robert Carnwarth Lévy 4 April 2024 Philosopher France Info "Il n'y a pas de génocide à Gaza, il n'y a pas de massacre délibéré des populations civiles" No Not in the article Bauer 6 April 2024 Genocide scholar Kan 11 "Of course this is not a genocide. It is absolutely clear. But it doesn't mean that I justify what Israel does in Gaza. I think the killing that we cause there is what is called in academic language mass atrocities crimes. But obviously all comparisons to genocide are baseless." No Not in the article Talmon 7 April 2024 Professor of international law Süddeutsche Zeitung "This is clearly a war crime. But not genocide." No Already in article Braverman 9 April 2024 Former Attorney General of the United Kingdom LBC "I very strongly rebut suggestions that Israel is in breach of international law, that there's a genocide, that there's a forced starvation." No Not in the article Ashour 10 April 2024 Professor of Economics, International relations project coordinator, Organiser Docentes con Palestina Público "Este viernes, Docentes con Palestina ha convocado concentraciones a mediodía en todos los centros de enseñanza de Galicia en solidaridad con el pueblo palestino, para alertar una vez más del genocidio y para que el alumnado educado en el siglo XXI sea consciente de que está viviendo en directo uno de los peores horrores que han ocurrido en la historia de la raza humana." , "Explicar que ahora mismo está ocurriendo un genocidio y exigir su final es difícil, pero es una tarea absolutamente pedagógica", sostiene." Yes Not in the article Walzer 17 April 2024 Professor/well known philosopher and political scientist Die Zeit "No. There is no genocidal intent on the Israeli side. Some members of the Israeli government want to drive the Palestinians out of Gaza and relocate them. But fortunately, they are not the decisive force in government." No Not in the article Whyte 17 April 2024 Professor of philosophy, and political theorist (see also) Journal of Genocide Research "Israel's conduct in Gaza, and the US's active legal support for it, forces us to grapple with the seemingly unthinkable: a perfectly legal genocide, that is a genocide legitimized via a permissive interpretation of IHL.", "By turning to Gaza, I show that Israel has mobilized a deeply permissive account of IHL to justify its use of starvation as a tool of genocide.", "Notably absent from Power's statement was the stance for which she became famous: moral condemnation of a US administration that responds to genocide by rendering "the bloodshed two sided and inevitable, not genocidal."" Yes Not in the article Robinson 17 April 2024 Professor of Sociology Journal of World-Systems Research "Genocidal pressures were building up against the Palestinians well before the siege of Gaza that began in the wake of the October 7, 2023 Hamas attack. In Israel it is now perfectly normal to call for genocide against the Palestinians; whereas to the contrary, it is looked upon as treason to defend Palestinian life." Yes Not in the article Patel and Ben Imran 21 April 2024 1: Legal researcher, reader in International law (holds LLM); 2: Reader in International law (holds LLM) Al Jazeera "Last month, our organisation, Law for Palestine, made the first in a series of submissions to the ICC, characterising the crime of genocide committed by Israeli leaders against the Palestinian people. The 200-page document, drafted by 30 lawyers and legal researchers from across the world and reviewed by more than 15 experts, makes a compelling case for the genocidal intent as well as for the prosecutorial policy that the court has followed in other cases.", "We also refer to the database we have put together of more than 500 instances of Israeli incitement to genocide as additional proof. While the statements form a substantial part of the intent component of the crime of genocide, the submission goes beyond and highlights the various actions and official policies that additionally prove intent." Yes Not in the article Suny 25 April 2024 Historian The Nation "The world is watching a genocide taking place in real time." Yes Not in the article Donoghue 26 April 2024 President of the ICJ during the hearing on the SA case BBC News "The court decided that the Palestinians had a plausible right to be protected from genocide and that South Africa had the right to present that claim in the court. It then looked at the facts as well. But it did not decide – and this is something where I'm correcting what's often said in the media – it didn't decide that the claim of genocide was plausible. It did emphasize in the order that there was a risk of irreparable harm to the Palestinian right to be protected from genocide. But the shorthand that often appears, which is that there's a plausible case of genocide, isn't what the court decided." Maybe Already in article Goldmann 26 April 2024 Professor of international law Junge Welt "The law professor does not expect a clear conviction of Israel in the South Africa-Israel case, nor a clear dismissal of the lawsuit." "According to Article II of the Convention, a breach occurs when an actor implements the intention to destroy a group of people in whole or in part by killing, injuring or restricting the living conditions of said group. In the case of Israel, there is no "smoking gun" that clearly proves such an intention, explained Goldmann. Statements by Israeli politicians in the media are "non-authoritative sources"" No Not in the article Shalhoub-Kevorkian 26 April 2024 Professor of law, specialising in trauma, state crimes, genocide, gender violence and surveillance The Guardian "Her lawyers and international academics have condemned Hebrew University for fuelling months of political attacks on one of their faculty in the run-up to her detention. The rector called on her to resign in late 2023 after she signed a letter calling for a ceasefire in Gaza and describing Israel's campaign as genocide, and she was briefly suspended over the podcast cited in her interrogation." Yes Not in the article Jamshidi 6 May 2024 Professor of law Journal of Genocide Research "That application was preceded by weeks of public debate and insistence by Palestinians and others – including genocide scholars – that Israel was either already committing genocide against the residents of Gaza or risked committing genocide The law of genocide often tells us to disregard what our eyes leave little doubt is happening. This creates a profound disconnect between the legal definition of genocide and popular and historical experiences and understandings of the term. By situating the catastrophe in Gaza both within Israel's long history of eliminationist violence towards Palestinians and fine-tuned legal arguments, South Africa has brought the law into line with the historical reality and lived-experiences of the victims of genocide, forcing a dialectical conversation between two, often, opposing planes – the law on genocide and the reality of genocide." Yes Not in the article Sultany 9 May 2024 Reader in Public law Journal of Genocide Research "Legal discourse needs to match the reality of horror to maintain its relevance. Although legal scholars and commentators were slow to recognize the severity and urgency of the situation, this article sought to show that there is an emerging consensus that Israel's actions in Gaza are not another instance of armed conflict but instead amount to genocide. This genocide is committed against an integral component of the Palestinian people, a protected group under the Genocide Convention. The preceding discussion shows that obstacles facing a legal determination of genocide (namely, assessing the credibility of military logic and the existence of genocidal intent) are not insurmountable. The emerging consensus described here may not be overwhelming and will have to face opposition and potential judicial disagreement. Yet an overwhelming body of evidence supports it and a consistency in the application of standards requires it." Yes Already in article Several professors 10 May 2024 Several professors, including: Professor of information theory; Professor of political science; Professor of sociology, with a specialism in politics; Professor of sociology El País "La introducción al texto presentado por los catedráticos enumera cinco peticiones dirigidas al rector de la UCM: una condena "clara y explícita" de la destrucción deliberada de las universidades palestinas y el ataque a profesores, estudiantes y personal universitario; la petición de alto al fuego "inmediato y permanente"; la cancelación de toda colaboración con universidades israelís "que se relacionen con el genocidio de Gaza"; financiar programas para acoger a estudiantes y maestros palestinos; y la cancelación de toda colaboración con empresas o instituciones "que otorguen un apoyo directo o al genocidio en Gaza"." Yes Not in the article Pappé 15 May 2024 Historian, specialising in Israel-Palestine Al Jazeera "What we see now are massacres which are part of the genocidal impulse, namely to kill people in order to downsize the number of people living in Gaza" Yes Already in article Hartwig and Müller 16 May 2024 Scholars of international law: 1; 2 digital news partnering with big newspapers "I ultimately do not see sufficient grounds for genocide if one takes the legal term seriously."; "Even if individual actions by the Israeli armed forces can be described as war crimes, they do not at the same time constitute genocide." No Not in the article Sassoli and Diggelmann 20 May 2024 International Law Professors: 1; 2 SRF "«Certain statements by Israeli politicians were genocidal». There was talk of extermination. «But the actions of the Israeli army are, in my opinion, directed against Hamas and not against the entire population»"; "He does not believe that the International Court of Justice will find a generationalintent to commit genocide in the South Africa v. Israel case." No Not in the article Maison 20 May 2024 Professor of international law Orient XXI "S'agissant de Gaza, la qualification de génocide peut également être sérieusement envisagée au regard, notamment, de la systématicité des attaques, de leur sens, et de leur inscription dans une offensive plus large contre la population civile." , "C'est à ce moment qu’un élément inédit a été avancé en faveur d'Israël : une interview de l'ancienne présidente de la Cour internationale de justice, Joan Donoghue, affirmant que la juridiction n’aurait pas reconnu une affaire plausible de génocide (a « plausible case of genocide »). Rappelons ici que, dans son ordonnance du 26 janvier 2024, la cour affirme que le droit des Palestiniens d'être protégés contre les actes de génocide est plausible (§§ 36, 54), et qu'il existe une urgence, c'est à dire un « risque réel et imminent » de préjudice irréparable causé aux droits revendiqués (§ 61, 74). Il s'agit bien d'un risque de génocide, même si la cour n'emploie pas la formule « affaire plausible de génocide ». Les médias se sont précipités sur les propos ambigus de Joan Donoghue pour minimiser le sens de l'ordonnance et réfuter l'emploi du terme génocide." Maybe Not in the article Illouz 21 May 2024 Professor of sociology Haaretz "A fierce military response facing unprecedented challenges in the history of warfare – because of a highly densely populated urban area, an underground city built below a civilian population – has become in the eyes of many a bona fide case of genocide", "Jews, Zionists and moderate people from all political parties and religions have watched the campus protests unfold in amazement, unable to believe the unselfconscious double standards, the baselessness of the historical parallels", "these protests give me no choice but to ask myself if, after all, something like the phantasmagoric irrationality of antisemitism is at work here." No Not in the article Khan 1 June 2024 Professor of international law ZDF "The defining element is above all the intent to destroy, which, however, can currently hardly be proven by the Israeli leadership" No Not in the article Ballantyne and Beddoe 1 June 2024 Professor of social welfare; Professor of social work Aotearoa New Zealand Social Work "Perhaps we shouldn't be surprised that the most-read article published in 2023 was a special editorial on Justice for Palestine included in issue four (Ballantyne et al., 2023). This was a statement by editorial collective members on the situation in Palestine. In the context of the genocide, we were all witnessing on our television screens and the silence of the IFSW on this matter, we felt compelled to comment. Since that editorial was published in December 2023, the horrifying death toll has not stopped climbing, and despite the statements made by the International Criminal Court to halt the ground invasion of Rafah, Israel continues its assault on Gaza and the West Bank unabated. The editorial collective continues to express our utmost solidarity with the Palestinian people and our deep concern for the future prospects of an international rules-based order that respects all peoples' human rights, including the right to self-determination." Yes Not in the article Ak 3 June 2024 Professor of political science Journal of Humanity, Peace and Justice "this research will also contribute to the related field of the social sciences as being the first clear example of genocide acts perpetuated by Israel so far in one of the whole Palestine territory like the Gaza Strip.", "At first, it will not be wrong to claim that the Palestinian cause regarding recent Israeli Gaza assaults is a trickling genocide, slow but relentless." Yes Not in the article Di-Capua 5 June 2024 Professor of history, focusing on intellectual history and the modern Arab world Journal of Genocide Research "Conditions for the emergence of a Jewish genocidal mindset in Israel evolved gradually since the 1970s.", "Positioned at the core of rural Palestinian life, these settlements serve as intellectual incubators and experimental laboratories of genocidal politics, chief of which is ethnic cleansing.", "By and large, though the IDF avoids drafting the most radical and violent members of Hardal, given the growing size of this demographic within the army, including among the officers’ corps and the growing number of soldiers who sympathize or directly belong to these genocidal circles especially on the field level, their influence is growing.", "A decade later, and in the context of the current war in Gaza, the rhetoric of a genocidal Jewish Holy War is being pushed into the mainstream like never before and is featured in many of its ground operations, especially among the ranks of the more popular infantry and armoured divisions." Yes Already in article Akram 5 June 2024 LAW clinical professor of law and director of LAW's International Human Rights Clinic Boston University Today & University Network for Human Rights Q:"For all of the condemnation of Israel's actions, there is also strong opposition to Israel's actions being labeled a genocide. Where does that pushback come from?". A:"The opposition is political, as there is consensus amongst the international human rights legal community, many other legal and political experts, including many Holocaust scholars, that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza." Yes Already in article Neier 6 June 2024 Human rights activist The New York Review "Hamas has embedded itself in the civilian population of Gaza, and its extensive network of tunnels provides its combatants the ability to move around quickly. Even if Israel's bombers were intent on minimizing harm to civilians, they would have had difficulty doing so in their effort to destroy Hamas. And yet, even believing this, I am now persuaded that Israel is engaged in genocide against Palestinians in Gaza. What has changed my mind is its sustained policy of obstructing the movement of humanitarian assistance into the territory." Yes Comments about how these actions are "indicative of genocide" are already in article attributed to Neier via this CNN interview Jacquet 6 June 2024 Professor of diplomacy and geopolitics Anadolu Agency ""Given the extent of the war crimes and the military operations carried out by the Israeli army on the ground, this situation can be considered genocide according to a growing number of international lawyers," Jacquet said." Yes Not in the article Choonara 12 June 2024 Professor of political economy International Socialism "US president Joe Biden, along with British foreign secretary David Cameron, were also isolated in their backing for Israel's genocidal offensive in Rafah." Yes Not in the article Totten 15 June 2024 Professor of history, specialist in genocide Arkansas Democrat-Gazette "I firmly believed, and continue to do so, that the Israelis had every right to retaliate against Hamas and to free those Israelis being held hostage by Hamas.", "Under the cover of the Israel-Hamas war, Israeli "settlers" on the West Bank are attacking Palestinian villages, forcibly removing the occupants from their homes and land, beating them (and in certain cases killing them), and stealing said land. And those Israeli thugs are doing so while under the protection and support of the Israeli army and police.", "It is crystal clear that both Hamas and the Israelis have already perpetrated, at the least, war crimes and crimes against humanity. Various others have also accused both Hamas and the Israelis of genocide. An international court will adjudicate this." Maybe Suslovic et al. 17 June 2024 Reader in social welfare; Professor of social work; Professor of social work; Professor of social work; Professor of social work; Organizer; Professor of social work Abolitionist Perspectives in Social Work "Since October 7, 2023, the world has witnessed Israel's unrelenting mass assault against the people of Gaza, killing more than 37,000 Palestinians. The response to this genocide in most sectors of professional society has largely been one of denial and suppression of solidarity with Palestine, unveiling extremes of the longstanding Palestine exception in progressive politics. This article contextualizes the social work profession's response to Israel's ongoing genocide of Palestinian people after October 7, 2023, including responses from schools of social work, social work agencies and organizations, and academic journals." Yes Not in the article Mordechai 19 June 2024 Historian The National ""The enormous amount of evidence I have seen, much of it referenced later in this document, has been enough for me to believe that Israel is currently committing genocide against the Palestinian population in Gaza," Mr Mordechai said in the introduction to a report he published." Yes The report, he previously wrote an article in Jacobin in April 2024 about the ongoing war crimes of the IDF, available here. 758 Scholars of the Middle East 20 June 2024 Brookings Institution "A majority of Middle East scholars see Israeli motives in Gaza to be about forcing Palestinians out " "How would you define Israel's current military actions in Gaza? Response: Major war crimes akin to genocide (41%), Genocide (34%), Major war crimes but not akin to genocide (16%), Unjustified actions but not major war crimes (4%), Justified actions under the right to self-defense (4%)". Maybe Already in article Ali 21 June 2024 Head of international law department at Bindmans LLP Middle East Monitor "He emphasised that, despite Israel's own repetition of genocidal intent, "Western leaders are guilty of viewing Palestine and Israel through the prejudiced prism of a merciless Palestinian terrorists against the gentle Jewish victims who are desperately maintaining the only democracy in the Middle East."" Yes Also includes new comments from Albanese and Sultany Rocafort, Hassan, Casani 26 June 2024 Professor of political science; Professor of computer science; Professor of political science elDiario.es "Después de ocho meses de genocidio en Gaza y más de 37.000 muertos palestinos, son cada vez más las voces que llaman al boicot académico a las universidades israelíes." , "Existen ya diversos casos particulares de represión directa desde las universidades contra profesorado crítico con el genocidio." , "Al contrario, las universidades israelíes han sido una fuerza activa en la legitimación y mantenimiento de un sistema de segregación que ha sido considerado equivalente al apartheid sudafricano. Ahora mismo son colaboradores necesarios en el genocidio en curso." Yes Schabas 28 June 2024 Professor of international law CBC News "There have been several genocide cases now at the International Court of Justice. I think the case that South Africa is setting out is easily the strongest case of genocide. The differences between, for example, the situation in the Balkans where the borders were largely open and porous and where people could flee, we don't have that in Gaza. The statements made by politicians in Israel, the notorious statements about how the Gazans are inhumane or 'human animals' was one of the terms, statements like, we're going to deny you electricity, water, medical care. The destruction of the institutions, all of these things add up and make for a very strong case... I can't entirely predict what the judges are going to do. And you certainly could exaggerate the importance of these provisional measures orders and suggest that they represent some kind of a determination of the issue, that is yet to come." Yes Already in article McAlister 29 June 2024 Professor of history Canadian Foreign Policy Journal "The genocide in Gaza is an opportunity for Canada to change that. A majority of Canadians may want to see a ceasefire in Gaza, but are they or their political representatives prepared to condemn the genocide?" Yes Not in the article Swoboda 4 July 2024 Professor of international and criminal law Ruhr University Bochum website "In my view, the criteria for genocide are not fulfilled, because the intention to commit genocide is not the only plausible motive for the use of violence. Israel justifies its attacks in the Gaza Strip with the right to self-defense and with the aim of freeing the hostages. This is permitted under international law, albeit perhaps within narrower limits than Israel is currently exercising." No Already in article Goldberg 11 July 2024 Professor of Jewish history Jacobin "I admit that, at first, I was reluctant to call it genocide, and sought any indication to convince myself that it is not. No one wants to see themselves as part of a genocidal society. But there was explicit intent, a systematic pattern, and a genocidal outcome — so, I came to the conclusion that this is exactly what genocide looks like. And once you come to this conclusion, you cannot remain silent." Yes Already in article UN Special Rapporteurs 11 July 2024 SR right to food, SR physical and mental health, SR human rights in the Palestinian Territory, SR drinking water and sanitation, SR human rights OF displaced persons, Independent Expert on the promotion of a democratic and equitable international order, Working Group of Experts on People of African Descent United Nations "We declare that Israel's intentional and targeted starvation campaign against the Palestinian people is a form of genocidal violence and has resulted in famine across all of Gaza. We call upon the international community to prioritise the delivery of humanitarian aid by land by any means necessary, end Israel's siege, and establish a ceasefire." Yes Semerdjian 17 July 2024 History professor, Chair of Armenian genocide studies Journal of Genocide Research "By comparing contemporary examples of starvation warfare in Artsakh and Gaza, I seek to reintroduce the concept of genocide by attrition formulated by Raphael Lemkin in Axis Rule in Occupied Europe: Laws of Occupation, Analysis of Government, Proposals for Redress (1944). Helen Fein's 1997 essay "Genocide by Attrition, 1939–1993: The Warsaw Ghetto, Cambodia, and Sudan," gave formal nomenclature to this genocidal tool.", "The carceral conditions produced by the 2006 enclosure of the Gaza Strip could be called Gazification. Land and territory are not only bifurcated with a discrete line separating two parts, but are fractured several times over through the creation of physical and digital checkpoints, "safe zones," and border inspections designed to make life suffocatingly unlivable. In order to survive, superfluous beings who resist these necropolitical forces live fugitive lives. Gazification should, therefore, be understood as an instrument of genocide by attrition that predates Hamas' attack on Israel on October 7." Yes Already in article Al-Hassani 1 August 2024 Postdoctoral researcher in Politics, Philosophy, and Religion SEPAD: Sectarianism, Proxies and De-sectarianisation "I have listened to academics in these different disciplines explore sovereignty, and after much reflection on the current genocide in Gaza, I am now convinced that sovereignty, in itself, is a concept weaponized to order and maintain European and Western hegemony over the global majority." Yes Not in the article Lapidot 7 August 2024 Professor of Hebraic Studies Journal of Genocide Research "Like anti-antisemitism, anti-colonialism too, instead of unsettling the purity of Western conscience, becomes a powerful tool for generating a perfect logos of absolute humanity that condemns its enemies as evil and unleashes holy wars. This is a danger that should be considered in countering the Israeli genocide narrative with a Palestinian genocide, or by depicting the Hamas attacks on 7 October as a ghetto uprising instead of as a pogrom." {{ }} Not in the article Bartov 13 August 2024 Holocaust and Genocide Studies professor The Guardian "By the time I travelled to Israel, I had become convinced that at least since the attack by the IDF on Rafah on 6 May 2024, it was no longer possible to deny that Israel was engaged in systematic war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocidal actions." Yes Already in article Previously stated in November "no proof that genocide is currently taking place in Gaza we may be watching an ethnic cleansing operation that could quickly devolve into genocide" Menon 13 August 2024 Professor of law Nordic Journal of International Law "This brings me to the comparisons between two recent cases: the wars in Gaza and Ukraine. Notwithstanding the vastly different histories leading up to the wars in Ukraine and Gaza, they both share an important similarity: the allegations of genocide against Russia and Israel.", "If Israel was using self-defence as its mode of reasoning, Russia was protecting the populations in Donetsk People's Republic, Luhansk People's Republic and Ukraine from violations of the 1948 Genocide Convention. Russian actions rendered immaterial whether Ukraine was in fact committing acts of genocide or not, as do Israeli arguments of self-defence. Russian and Israeli 'responsibility to protect' those in its (former) colonies was a strategy of empire that is not unknown." Yes Not in the article Hammouri 20 August 2024 Lecturer in international law The Guardian ""The case for the US's complicity in genocide is very strong," said Dr Shahd Hammouri, lecturer in international law at the University of Kent and the author of Shipments of Death. "It's providing material support, without which the genocide and other illegalities are not possible. The question of complicity for the other countries will rely on assessment of how substantial their material support has been." Yes Already in article Bauhn 21 August 2024 Professor of philosophy Israel Affairs "Israel and the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) have been accused of 'massacring' Palestinian civilians, even attempting a 'genocide' on the Palestinian population in Gaza, as stated in a Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor posting on 16 May 2024, and reposted that same day by Relief Web, a news service provided by the UN office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA). Such accusations lack factual foundation about how the war against Hamas has been conducted.", "But there is no evidence whatsoever of any deliberate Israeli policy or plan to kill civilian Palestinians in Gaza that would remotely warrant terms like 'massacre' or 'genocide'." No Not in the article Razack 26 August 2024 Professor of gender studies Journal of Palestine Studies "The feminist truism that women are always raped in war is relied upon to confirm that mass rapes took place on October 7—a weaponization of feminism designed to shut down questions about evidence and the deliberate circulation of false narratives about rape, and, importantly, to legitimize Israeli state violence and genocide in Gaza." Yes Not in the article Ó Tuathail 30 August 2024 Professor of government and international affairs Environment and Planning C: Politics and Space "Israel's genocidal campaign against residents of Gaza" Yes Not in the article Murray 30 August 2024 Chief editor of the Journal of World-Systems Research Journal of World-Systems Research "Ten months into the genocide in Gaza" Yes Not in the article Albanese 1 October 2024 Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian Territory occupied since 1967; researcher and international lawyer United Nations "While the scale and nature of the ongoing Israeli assault against the Palestinians vary by area, the totality of the Israeli acts of destruction directed against the totality of the Palestinian people, with the aim of conquering the totality of the land of Palestine, is clearly identifiable. Patterns of violence against the group as a whole warrant the application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (Genocide Convention) in order to cease, prevent and punish genocide in the whole of the occupied Palestinian territory" Yes Already in article Traverso 1 October 2024 Historian, contemporary and modern Europe Google Books "The only normative definition we have, codified at the United Nations Genocide Convention of 1948, accurately describes the current situation in Palestine ... describes exactly what is happening in Gaza today" Yes Already in article Lamensch 4 October 2024 Coordinator of Program and Outreach at Montreal Institute for Genocide and Human Rights Studies (MIGS) Le Devoir "Lorsqu’il lui est demandé si un génocide est en cours, selon les définitions du droit international, Marie Lamensch, coordonnatrice de projets à l’Institut montréalais d’études sur le génocide et les droits de la personne de l’Université Concordia, à Montréal, répond qu’il faudra encore des années pour déterminer si c’est le cas ou non. Même les plus grands experts juristes le disent, ajoute-t-elle : ils veulent attendre tous les éléments de preuve avant de se prononcer de façon définitive. Car la preuve d’un génocide est complexe, et pour obtenir une condamnation, il faut notamment démontrer devant la Cour l’« intention » précise de le commettre." "When asked whether genocide is occurring, as defined by international law, Marie Lamensch, project coordinator at the Montreal Institute for Genocide and Human Rights Studies at Concordia University in Montreal, says it will take years to determine whether or not that is the case. Even the greatest legal experts say so, she adds: they want to wait for all the evidence before making a definitive decision. Because proving genocide is complex, and to obtain a conviction, it is necessary to demonstrate before the Court the precise "intention" to commit it." Maybe Not in the article Becker 25 October 2024 Assistant Professor of International Human Rights Law Vox (website) "Michael Becker, a professor of international human rights law at Trinity College, Dublin, said, overall, the above incidents and others mean 'South Africa has an ever-expanding repository of evidence that it can put before the as further evidence of genocidal intent,' which includes evidence suggesting Israel 'has not meaningfully sought to comply' with the ICJ’s orders so far." Yes Already in article Jones 25 October 2024 Professor in Political science, specialization in "comparative genocide studies and gender and international relations"; author of genocide textbook Vox (website) "Any early hesitation I had about applying the 'genocide' label to the Israeli attack on Gaza has dissipated over the past year of human slaughter and the obliteration of homes, infrastructure, and communities" Yes Already in article Segal 25 October 2024 Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies Vox (website) "'I fully stand behind my description of Israel’s attack on Gaza as a 'textbook case of genocide' because we’re still actually seeing, nearly a year into this genocidal assault, explicit and unashamed statements of intent to destroy,' he said. 'The way that intent is expressed here is absolutely unprecedented.'" Yes Already in article Verdeja 25 October 2024 Professor of peace studies and global politics (with a focus on genocide) Vox (website) "it could be 'called a genocide, even in a narrow legal sense, for several months now' given the accumulation of Israeli attacks clearly and consistently targeting the civilian population in Gaza." Yes Already in article Waxman 25 October 2024 Professor of Political Science and Israel Studies Vox (website) "Waxman has since qualified his stance, but still believes 'Israel’s actions in the Gaza Strip — though too often brutal, inhumane, and indiscriminate — do not meet the international legal criteria of the crime of genocide.' ... Of the scholars we cited in our previous story, he was the only one who responded to my request for new comment who still did not think Israel’s actions qualify as genocide." No Already in article Bartov 6 November 2024 Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies The Guardian "The ICJ will likely not rule for years about whether the situation in Gaza meets the narrow legal definition of a genocide. But Bartov believes that the operation in Jabalia is so blatantly genocidal that 'it is possible that the ICJ will find this operation to be genocide even if it hedges on the war in Gaza as a whole.' Which is what happened in the case of Bosnia, where the massacre in Srebrenica was found to be genocide." Yes Already in article Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices 14 November 2024 UN Special Committee OHCHR website "The developments in this report lead the Special Committee to conclude that the policies and practices of Israel during the reporting period are consistent with the characteristics of genocide." Yes Already in article Schabas 29 November 2024 Professor of International Law, expertise in international criminal law and international human rights law Der Spiegel "I am neither a guru nor a judge. The courts will make a ruling, political bodies will decide in time. But I would say: There is a very strong case for arguing that Israel’s response constitutes the crime of genocide." Likely Not in the article Amnesty International 4 December 2024 International human rights NGO Amnesty International website "This report focuses on the Israeli authorities' policies and actions in Gaza as part of the military offensive they launched in the wake of the Hamas-led attacks on 7 October 2023 while situating them within the broader context of Israel’s unlawful occupation, and system of apartheid against Palestinians in Gaza, the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and Israel. It assesses allegations of violations and crimes under international law by Israel in Gaza within the framework of genocide under international law, concluding that there is sufficient evidence to believe that Israel’s conduct in Gaza following 7 October 2023 amounts to genocide." Yes Not in article European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights 10 December 2024 Human rights NGO ECCHR website "In recent months, ECCHR has been conducting independent research and analysis on the topic of genocide, and analyzing this against the available information and evidence relating to Israel’s actions in Gaza (see Question 6). This process has led us to the conclusion that there is a legally sound argument that Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians in Gaza." Likely Already in article Human Rights Watch 19 December 2024 International human rights NGO Human Rights Watch website "Human Rights Watch concludes that Israeli authorities have over the past year intentionally inflicted on the Palestinian population in Gaza 'conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.' This policy, inflicted as part of a mass killing of Palestinian civilians in Gaza means Israeli authorities have committed the crime against humanity of extermination, which is ongoing. This policy also amounts to an 'act of genocide' under the Genocide Convention of 1948. The crime of genocide requires acts of genocide to be committed with genocidal intent. The ICJ has said that to infer such intent from a pattern of conduct by the state, it needs to be 'the only reasonable inference to be drawn' from the acts in question.130 The pattern of conduct set out in this report together with statements suggesting some Israeli officials wished to destroy the Palestinians in Gaza may indicate such intent." Likely ("acts of genocide" Yes) Already in article Médecins Sans Frontières 29 December 2024 International humanitarian NGO MSF website "Our firsthand observations of the medical and humanitarian catastrophe inflicted on Gaza are consistent with the descriptions provided by an increasing number of legal experts and organisations concluding that genocide is taking place in Gaza." Likely Not in article Other scholars have offered opinions relating to the topic of incitement to genocide, but have not specifically drawn conclusions on the question of genocide itself. Sources v t e Name Month Profession Source Example statement (English or autotranslated and verified) Simplified position Notes 100 civil rights organisations and 6 scholars 20 October 2023 Scholars: Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies, Historian, specialising in Jewish History, Anatomical Pathology Technologist (part of Forensic Team at the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia), Professor of Human Rights and Environmental Justice, Historian and Sociologist, Anthropologist specialising in Human Rights and Genocide Al Mezan Center for Human Rights "clear intent to commit war crimes, crimes against humanity and incitement to commit genocide, using dehumanizing language to describe Palestinians." — Sfard 3 January 2024 Human rights lawyer The Guardian "Sfard said he was stunned by the speed with which incitement to genocide and other extreme speech had been normalised in Israel.", "The gap between that and the freedom and impunity for those who advocate all kinds of things – ethnic cleansing, killing civilians, bombarding civilian areas, and even genocide – doesn't square up, and that's something for the authorities to explain." — Already in article Mack 6 January 2024 Human rights lawyer Middle East Eye "In view of the attorney general's failure to enforce the law or any accountability in the Huwwara case, it is no surprise that Israeli officials and politicians took advantage of the climate, following the Hamas attack, in order to incite deadly harm against the entire civilian population in Gaza.", "Given that senior members of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government and those in the parliament have explicitly supported violence, terrorism and genocide against the Palestinians, any criminal proceedings initiated against them would be seen across the political spectrum in Israel as an attempt to overthrow a democratically elected government." — Intondi 1 August 2024 Professor of history Journal for Peace and Nuclear Disarmament "The Law for Palestine project, a UK based human rights organization has so far documented over 500 statements made by Israeli officials which could potentially amount to incitement of genocide, which is prohibited under international law.", "Are these individuals advocating for nuclear war or inciting? Is calling for the use of nuclear weapons, the same as calling for genocide?" — Not in the article

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I am proposing an updated version of the info box. Given this page’s importance and the fact that these pages – Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel and Allegations of genocide of Ukrainians in the Russo-Ukrainian War – both have infoboxes, I felt it was important to do so. I have fixed/addresssed many earlier raised concerns:

• “It also appears to present as fact events/judgements/motives which are highly contested.”: I don’t believe so, but feel free to delete any or reorder them. They are not sourced on this page (Allegations of genocide of Ukrainians in the Russo-Ukrainian War) and thus have no need to be here
• “Who decides what the motives are for a series of unproven accusations?”: Again, feel free to change or delete them. I thought these would be standard etc.
• “Islamophobia isn't generally regarded as a motive here”: this I disagree with. It may not be the main motive, but it is a secondary one.

Alternatively, I would be happy to remove the motives section altogether and keep the rest. By the way, good figures over a long period are very hard to find. If you can, please insert any relevant info there.

Here are some of my improvements:

• As with the accepted formula on this page, I have added many attack types. Better, they are sourced.

Palestine genocide allegations
Part of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
Graffiti in Hebron calling for the gassing of Arabs, alongside a tag for the terrorist group the Jewish Defense League
Location	State of Palestine and Israel
Date	1948 – present
Target	Palestinians
Attack type	Allegations of usage of: Collective punishment, airstrikes (including in refugee camps), famine, forced displacement (ethnic cleansing), looting, psychological warfare, rape and sexual violence, deliberate and systematic infliction of life-threatening conditions by military sieges, others
Deaths	Estimated 10,000+ killed before January 1 2008 6,735 Palestinians killed from January 1 2008 to October 6 2023 22,313+ killed since 7 October 2023
Victims	Almost 2 million people displaced within the Gaza Strip from 7 October 2023 to 19 December 2023 1,900,000 internally displaced persons in the Gaza Strip since 7 October 2023
Motive	Allegations of: Anti-Palestinianism, Anti-Arab racism, desire to expand into the West Bank (including the Jordan Valley), Islamophobia, Zionism, settler colonialism
Accused	Israel

Please work constructively and add or remove what you think if you have consensus. If little feedback or amendment is given, I will add this box to the page.

Thank you, From Scientelensia (talk) 17:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't think this page needs an infobox, tbh. Selfstudier (talk) 17:45, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Why do you think that? I think it provides clarity and information for new viewers and upgrades the status of the article. Scientelensia (talk) 17:49, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

The question is why do we need one, we managed perfectly well without one till now. It is not for WP editors to make a "case" for genocide via infobox, the accusation is of course disputed and none of that is in the infobox. Selfstudier (talk) 17:54, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

My thoughts for reasons:

• Improves information, makes it more readily accessible without having to trawl through a page.
• Provides a summation of the allegations of the article.
• Other respected articles of the same nature use infoboxes for these reasons
• (As a lesser point, the page looks good.)

Scientelensia (talk) 18:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I made some tweaks to the infobox to try and improve it, but I'm still not really liking the idea of an infobox on this article (or infoboxes on the other articles you mentioned for that matter). An infobox is for giving readers at-a-glance quick facts about the topic. For a topic like this, I don't think there are any quick facts that can be summed up into short infobox parameters. Almost every parameter is "unsure/needs explanation," e.g. when it started, where it happened, who was targeted, how many died, the methods (attack type), motives, and who's responsible (it's not just Israel). This infobox kind of concatenates everything from everywhere... but not everyone who says there is a genocide of Gazans going on since Oct 7 also thinks that this genocide began in 1948 or includes anyone in the West Bank or in Israel. Similarly, not everyone who says that the 1948 Nakba was a genocide thinks that the 2nd intifada was part of that genocide. One thing I agree with is the title: it should be "Palestinian genocide accusations" because there are more than one accusation of more than one genocide (or of a genocide with more than one set of boundaries or features). It's all very... complex. Levivich (talk) 18:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hard to disagree. Removing the infobox sounds wise. — kashmīrī  18:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

True, thanks for engaging.

• Just to say that this page is specifically accusations since 1948. It is difficult, but the if what you say is correct (“not everyone who says that the 1948 Nakba was a genocide thinks that the 2nd intifada was part of that genocide”) it does not mean that the date of this uprising did not host other events which could be listed under genocide. Hope I’m explaining myself well. The page for “a genocide of Gazans going on since Oct 7” is different: Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza.
• Also, I made some important edits, emphasising that these are only allegations. Do you think it is appropriate now? What would you change?
• If others are complicit, you could always add a complicit section?
• As for the stats, they are hard to find especially before 2000. Maybe more extensive research is needed.

Scientelensia (talk) 18:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

What do you think about the infobox at The Holocaust, and using an infobox like that one here? (So, radically shorter.) Levivich (talk) 21:49, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

There the essential facts are well known and not (usually) disputed so it sort of works. Still think here it is just too...messy...for it to work. Selfstudier (talk) 22:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes potentially, or we could simply remove the motives section here. In any case, I believe an infobox is the right way to go. Scientelensia (talk) 17:02, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Scientelensia: Have you considered forking {{infobox civilian attack}} and creating {{infobox alleged genocide}}, perhaps with more appropriate parameters and parameter labels? Because as much as I don't like it on several levels, Misplaced Pages has multiple articles about alleged genocides, maybe they'd all benefit from a tailored infobox.

I should say at the outset that I don't necessarily support the creation of such an infobox or the use of infoboxes on any alleged genocide articles. I'm not convinced that the infoboxes are more informative than (unintentionally) misleading. But forking is an idea.

One example of an inherent problem with an alleged genocide infobox is that while genocide is alleged, often (almost always?) the underlying facts are not alleged, they're established. For example, in this case, it's not alleged that tens of thousands of Palestinians have been killed, or millions displaced, or that there have been airstrikes, etc., all of these individual events are undisputed. What's disputed, or alleged, is that these events together are properly labeled "genocide." So how can an infobox convey that the details are proven, it's the overall characterization that is "alleged"? Without misleading the reader into thinking that either: (a) it's a genocide and Misplaced Pages is saying so, or (b) the underlying facts are alleged/disputed/uncertain.

But maybe there's a way to do this? Also it's possible that other editors will think forking the infobox is a terrible idea (I note there is no {{infobox genocide}}). Idk. Levivich (talk) 04:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

An interesting and good idea. Scientelensia (talk) 15:36, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Not sure if I have time right now yet I understand you what you are saying. Scientelensia (talk) 15:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

An interesting idea. I'd even go for {{Infobox genocide}}, with a parameter "Alleged" (Yes/No), alternatively {{Infobox mass atrocity}} with "Genocide" a value of "Type", etc. — kashmīrī  17:06, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree with Levivich as well. Infoboxes are best for summarizing data in a compact format, and that seems very difficult to do in this case without losing qualifications or nuances which are important for NPOV.

I think the suggested infobox is a reasonable attempt, trying to balance nuance with compactness, but it ends up having to compromise on both somewhat.

I think the goal of making key information more apparent can be accomplished in other ways, like trimming the lead paragraphs, moving some less important details to sections below. XDanielx (talk) 18:10, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

A well reasoned solution. Scientelensia (talk) 20:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Notes

1. Per the Gaza Health Ministry and Government Information Office.

title change

we recently changed title 'Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza' to gaza genocide should this article name also be changed? Gsgdd (talk) 23:30, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Good question, idk. Sourcing for Gaza genocide is straightforward to locate, is that the case for Palestine/Palestinian tho? Selfstudier (talk) 11:39, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Gaza genocide is poorly ranked in search result with only 400 views last 30 days. But with recent name change - i think it will start to improve. However this page has around 30k views. Im about keeping title simple, something like (Palestinian genocide). People will know it is currently accusation if they read opening para. And in future - if court rule against israel - we can simply change body and title can remain the same. Gsgdd (talk) 21:26, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I am not that concerned with internal search results for main articles, just the usual policies and guidelines discussion as were had at Gaza genocide article, we need (lots of) sources discussing a Palestinian genocide (I know that Gaza is also Palestine, the artificial separation remains a constant problem), I think we can probably do that but we still have to deal with POVNAME argument because there are Palestinians in Israel and WB as well, it's not so straightforward. Idk, to tell the truth, I would have to go looking to see what sourcing is available and I haven't had time to do that myself. It's possible that "persecution" has better sourcing. Selfstudier (talk) 21:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure that editors will support the idea of two genocides being carried out by Israel. I'd wait for now. The end arrangements may depend on the outcome of the ICJ and ICC cases (and thus on sources) – it's possible that this article will be eventually renamed to "Palestinian genocide" while Gaza genocide will either be merged and redirected into this one or will be refocused to war crimes in Gaza. — kashmīrī  07:15, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Estimate of future deaths

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@Genabab: re the estimate you added, I'm not necessarily against including this, but we should be cautious for a few reasons

• Lancet lists this as "Correspondence", are essentially letters from readers. See here (emphasis theirs). Our readers’ reflections on content published in the Lancet journals or on other topics of general interest to our readers. These letters are not normally externally peer reviewed. The authors do have some credentials, so this isn't a dealbreaker, just more like a WP:SPS.
• It's a projection of future deaths, so we should make that clear.
• I feel "statistical estimate" is making this sound more rigorous than it is - they just picked a round-number multiple (four) that they felt would be not implausible for this conflict.
• To corroborate the plausibility of the multiple, they seem to cite an article titled Global burden of armed conflict, which I can't find. They provide a URL which points to a report titled World Drug Report, so maybe it's that? That report seems to discuss some related ideas of extrapolation based on multiples, but in the context of heroin addicts.

Again not necessarily against including it, but I think it should be framed pretty differently if we do. — xDanielx /_C\ 02:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I expanded the line and the cite, and did the same at a few other articles (check my contribs). Feel free to massage it further. Levivich (talk) 04:51, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I might make some additional changes but will hold off a bit to see other input. — xDanielx /_C\ 06:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I also think that this information should be included, given that only the identifiable bodies directly killed by assaults from Israeli forces have been included in the listed statistics here thus far, not the ones hidden under the rubble of collapsed buildings or killed by starvation or diseases as a result from this conflict. David A (talk) 04:57, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Also, it was clearly stated that the 4x number was a conservative estimate. The maximum was 15x, which would mean over 570,000 total deaths of mainly innocent women and children. Should that be mentioned as well? David A (talk) 05:33, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

In terms of what the source says directly, they do say conservative but also say not implausible, which I think reflects the high uncertainty with such difficult projections. Maybe we should include both?

My take (which is admittedly less relevant) is that something close to 15x probably isn't plausible here, since that would be at least 25% of the population, maybe 50%+ if direct deaths rise. The cases with high multiples, like DRC (~10x), seem to involve smaller proportions of the population, and also parts of the world that are more ignored by the West. — xDanielx /_C\ 06:04, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Okay, but given the systematic prevention of food deliveries caused by the Israeli military and settler groups, combined with complete destruction of sanitation, systematic targeting of medical personel and rescue workers, and so onwards, wouldn't the situation rationally be considerably worse than usual in terms of indirect deaths? David A (talk) 06:11, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I think you have some valid points and it's probably fine to say conservative. Not sure about a number like 570k since we wouldn't have a source for it (maybe stil admissible based on WP:CALC but feels iffy to me), but we could mention the 3-15x range if that works?

I think for balance it would also be good to somehow highlight that these are very rough projections, with a lot of assumptions (that Gaza is comparable to other conflicts, that GHM isn't already counting indirect deaths, etc) and uncertainty. — xDanielx /_C\ 06:35, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I think that mentioning the 3x to 15x range seems reasonable, as long as we also mention that the 4x multiple was used for the currently listed estimate. David A (talk) 07:05, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I think I found what the authors meant to cite to back the multiples they mention: The Global Burden of Armed Violence, chapter 2. It says In the majority of conflicts since the early 1990s for which good data is available, the burden of indirect deaths was between three and 15 times the number of direct deaths, and A reasonable average estimate would be a ratio of four indirect deaths to one direct death in contemporary conflicts. — xDanielx /_C\ 05:41, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. David A (talk) 05:45, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

What if we cited this report as the main source discussing indirect deaths, and briefly mentioned the Lancet correspondence just for the 186k figure? This report just seems much more authoritative and rigorous. I think this could lead to a stronger, more verifiable statement, otherwise readers who check the Lancet source might get the impression that numbers were pulled out of a hat. — xDanielx /_C\ 06:12, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I think that we should use both sources in combination for stronger verification purposes. Mainly using the main source that the Lancet study used for its total casualties estimations does not directly mention the current situation in Palestine as far as I am aware. Meaning, please do not remove any current information, but feel free to add a reference and the 570,000 upper maximum number, in my personal view. David A (talk) 06:20, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I might have missed the part which implies that it is predictive. Though, when I first read it I interpreted it as indirect deaths up to that point (which would make sense given they're using a figure of how many people died up until recently).

That's not to say there's no grounds for interpreting it in that way, and I think there is good reason to think about including the "future" part Genabab (talk) 10:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@Genabab: You missed it because at no point does the report say that the 186k figure is a projection.

Applying a conservative estimate of four indirect deaths per one direct death to the 37 396 deaths reported, it is not implausible to estimate that up to 186 000 or even more deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza. Using the 2022 Gaza Strip population estimate of 2 375 259, this would translate to 7·9% of the total population in the Gaza Strip. A report from Feb 7, 2024, at the time when the direct death toll was 28 000, estimated that without a ceasefire there would be between 58 260 deaths (without an epidemic or escalation) and 85 750 deaths (if both occurred) by Aug 6, 2024.

This is simple enough to interpret. For the current conflict in Gaza, a conservative estimate of four indirect deaths per one direct death is applied (which gives us the 186k figure). These are not future projections but rather an estimate of the impact to date. The future projections mentioned are from a February report and are based on a different context and point in time. - Ïvana (talk) 14:51, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

That paragraph is a bit ambiguous, but I think the context from the two preceding sentences make it clear they're talking about a projection of future indirect deaths (or maybe both, past + future): Even if the conflict ends immediately, there will continue to be many indirect deaths in the coming months and years from causes such as reproductive, communicable, and non-communicable diseases. The total death toll is expected to be large given

Besides, interpreting it as 186k past deaths would make the claim quite extraordinary. GHM must have a reasonable estimate of total excess (direct + indirect) deaths, which is simply total deaths minus expected deaths (based on pre-conflict data). If that number was anything close to 186k, surely GHM would have reported it and it would be all over the news. — xDanielx /_C\ 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Please continue this discussion at Talk:Israel–Hamas_war#Indirect_casualties_from_the_Lancet_study where this has been copied. Selfstudier (talk) 19:02, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Understood, should we close these other threads then? — xDanielx /_C\ 19:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 21 July 2024

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Palestinian genocide accusation → Palestinian genocide – Given the movement of Gaza genocide to that title, the current title here has become incongruously inconsistent. How can the parent of a child topic that is not couched in the language of "accusation" be couched in that language? It should be obvious than it should not. More generally, it has become apparent that the language of "accusation" is generally inappropriate. This is not only per MOS:ACCUSED (which outlines how the language of accusation is problematic in its presumptive deployment of doubt (presumably ultimately as a corollary of WP:NPOV)), but also per consistency with similar titles on similar subjects. There are many pages on the topics of presumed or suspected (but not legally ruled on) genocides -- this is in fact the majority of them -- but no other genocide topic on Misplaced Pages, regardless of how speculative it is, is couched as a "genocide accusation". See the search results. Likewise, the phrase "Palestinian genocide accusation" is all but unknown to scholarship, in stark contrast to "Palestinian genocide", which is a common and widely used phrase, including in titular form, such as in the 2013 The Palestinian Genocide by Israel by the eminent Francis Boyle. In the previous move discussion, I somewhat rallied support around the current title, but that was in October last year, before much of the subsequent discussion around developments in Gaza. It seemed sensible at the time, but that was then, and this is now. Events have moved on significantly since then, not least with the ICJ case and provisional measures -- and hence the Gaza genocide move. As this page covers the overarching legal and scholarly topic of Palestinian genocide, the weight of both everything that went into the Gaza genocide RM discussion, and everything that precedes it in Palestinian history, including the Nakba and all subsequent Israeli policies and actions that have been discussed as conceivably genocidal by legal and academic experts, is under consideration. Given that this page has a significantly grander scope than its child, its title cannot reasonably contain greater doubt than that of its child. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)— Relisting. Jerium (talk) 15:16, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom. "Accusation" implies doubt, and considering the recent move of the child article to a more straightforward title, this one is inconsistent. Given the recent ICJ developments, "Palestinian genocide" more accurately reflects the scope of this topic and is also a term widely used in scholarly and legal contexts. - Ïvana (talk) 15:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose — I did not participate in the Gaza RM but would have opposed it as well if I was made aware of it. I'd like the point to the first two sentences of this article: The State of Israel has been accused of carrying out or inciting genocide against Palestinians during the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. Debates are ongoing as to whether the entire process and which specific periods or events meet the definitions of genocide or not. (Emphasis mine) An accusation of genocide is an accusation of genocide, not a genocide. Incitement to genocide is not a genocide in and of itself. And the fact that we so prominently mention that "Debates are ongoing" means that I cannot support a move that seems to imply that one side of the debate is truthful while the debate is ongoing. If editors think that including "accusation" in the title favors the other side of this ongoing debate too much, then we could go for the more neutral-sounding "Palestinian genocide question" instead. But regardless, simply pretending in the title that this is not a matter of ongoing and heated debate with many reliable sources on both sides is in my opinion a violation of core policies regarding Misplaced Pages's neutral point of view. DecafPotato (talk) 20:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  That debates are ongoing about the topic of "Palestinian genocide" is why it is a topic. Misplaced Pages page titles merely the names of topics. Example: Transgender genocide, as was discussed in the Gaza genocide discussion, reflects a disputed or contested term. But again, the very dispute and contestation of the topic validates it as a subject. Iskandar323 (talk) 21:31, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  Transgender genocide is a somewhat unique case, and less of a WP:POVNAME for a couple reasons -

  • Most readers will recognize it as a nonstandard use of the term genocide, so readers are less likely to interpret it as a matter-of-fact statement that a genocide is occurring.
  • The title doesn't imply that a particular entity is committing genocide; in that sense it's closer to Persecution of Muslims than Palestinian genocide.

  — xDanielx /_C\ 04:45, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose pure defamation and against the definition. מתיאל (talk) 20:48, 21 July 2024 (UTC)מתיאל
• Oppose per WP:POVNAME and WP:POVTITLE. A title of Palestinian genocide essentially amounts to a (strongly implied) statement in wikivoice that a genocide is occurring. Such a statement is decidedly non-neutral, given the controversy. I don't think it's necessary to discern which side of the controversy has more weight, as long as there exists a significant (non-fringe) viewpoint that genocide has not occurred (which there does, see e.g. here). There are exceptions to WP:POVNAME for widely used (effectively proper) names; that's a high bar that isn't met here. I don't see why MOS:ACCUSED would support Palestinian genocide; it says alleged and accused are appropriate when wrongdoing is asserted but undetermined, such as with people awaiting or undergoing a criminal trial. Consistency is a minor stylistic consideration relative to these neutrality issues. Gaza genocide might also not be the long-term title, since the consensus seemed to be against it; the RM close didn't seem to recognize that those opposing it were split between two similar alternatives. Setting aside that particular article, there's nothing unusual about "allegations" or similar language in titles; it's a common practice for avoiding WP:POVNAMEs. See e.g. 1, 2, 3, or (from a different topic area), 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, etc. — xDanielx /_C\ 20:51, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  As mentioned in the opening statement, "Palestinian genocide" is a term with plentiful scholarly circulation, while "Palestinian genocide accusation" is a Misplaced Pages invention. It is also redundant. Every genocide is an accusation. Someone has to be accused of a genocide for there to be a genocide topic. It therefore adds no precision, while clearly detracting from concision, per WP:CRITERIA. The only function that it does serve is as an expression of doubt, which we avoid. As with other genocide topics, few of which are legally affirmed, the title alone does not pass judgement and cannot provide the reader with a notion as to how credible the accusations of genocide might be. To comprehend, they have to read the content. However, the current title here, in using an expression of doubt, does pass a value judgement and therefore exerts a POV, so there is a POVNAME problem, but you have it backwards. The POV name is the current one. The NPOV name would be the proposed title, which names the subject without expressing doubt or casting a value judgement. Iskandar323 (talk) 21:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  Great, so you're supporting Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel -> Israeli Genocide? Every genocide is an allegation. Someone has to be accused of a genocide for there to be a genocide topic. It therefore adds no precision, while clearly detracting from concision. The current title here, in using an expression of doubt, does pass a value judgement and therefore exerts a POV, so there is a POVNAME problem. The POV name is the current one. The NPOV name would be the proposed title (Israeli Genocide), which names the subject without expressing doubt or casting a value judgement. Bar Harel (talk) 22:42, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  Well they say that imitation is the highest form of flattery, but that's a question for that page. However, I would suggest that there are probably some other factors involved. Context is key. Iskandar323 (talk) 23:50, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  It seems like we disagree about what is implied by titles. To me a title of X implies the existence of X (at least in general; there are some murky edge cases like dark matter), so "Palestinian genocide" implies that a genocide has definitively occurred. A title of "Palestinian genocide accusation" merely implies that accusations have been made, without really saying anything about their merit.

  If your view is that "accusations" is redundant, wouldn't that mean that a vast number of articles in Category:Allegations should have "allegations", "accusations" and similar terms removed from their titles? It seems the community has decided that the terms are important.

  I don't think any guideline says to "avoid" expressions of doubt; MOS:DOUBT rather tells us to "watch" such words and use them when "appropriate". The current article repeatedly uses expressions of doubt when discussing genocide claims, suggesting a consensus that they're appropriate here. — xDanielx /_C\ 05:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

  To me a title of X implies the existence of X Well, what about Israel and apartheid? Does that imply the existence of Israel and apartheid? No, you need the WP:SCOPE which is title plus first sentence(s), which in that case is "Israel's policies and actions in its ongoing occupation and administration of the Palestinian territories have drawn accusations that it is committing the crime of apartheid.". Ditto Gaza genocide "Israel has been accused by experts, governments, United Nations agencies and non-governmental organisations of carrying out a genocide.." There are many titles that do not imply existence (see User talk:Joe Roe#Genocide close). Selfstudier (talk) 08:32, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

  As I said there are edge cases where it's more difficult to say what (if anything) the title implies, such as Israel and apartheid, dark matter, Epstein didn't kill himself, etc.

  But none of those are syntactically similar to Palestinian genocide accusation or Palestinian genocide. For more closely related examples, we can look to Category:Allegations, where most titles contain "allegations" or similar language.

  For example, consider Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations and Joe Biden sexual assault allegation. If "allegations" is redundant in titles, would you support renaming them to Donald Trump sexual misconduct and Joe Biden sexual assault? I suspect there would be overwhelming objections based on their non-neutral implications. — xDanielx /_C\ 01:21, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

  As with Gaza genocide, it would boil down to the available sourcing and what it actually says. I don't think title syntax has much to with anything at all, titles are not syntactically composed, they are just a reflection of sources and are not engineered to have some inherent semantic meaning. If "allegations" (or accusations, usually associated with legal proceedings) are what is mainly said in sources, that's what it will be. Selfstudier (talk) 09:33, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

  I am not brushed up on what the specific difference would be in title with regards to accusation vs allegation, to the common ear, either would be fine. On a slightly different note, maybe the "accusation/allegation" part should be pluralised, to better reflect the scope of the article as it deals with accusations of genocide across different events over the past century. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 21:14, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

  This is a false equivalency. WP:BLP means you have to call allegations about individuals "allegations" or "accusations" if they may be contentious or defamatory. Once those allegations are proven, then you may drop the "allegations" and "accusations" part of the title.

  Israel is not an individual that can be defamed, nor does WP:BLP apply to it. Moreover, Palestinian genocide neither indicates who is accused of the genocide nor whether they're guilty; in fact, it could even suggest "genocide committed by Palestinians" until you read it. Hence why you read the article to find out, because a title is just a title. Compare, again, to Transgender genocide but also Black genocide. Lewisguile (talk) 09:04, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

  If the title was Israeli genocide, then it would be more directly comparable, but the point about WP:BLP not applying would still stand, either way. Lewisguile (talk) 09:06, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

• Comment I recall my split !vote elsewhere "Option 2 or 3, 2 because there is already a Palestinian genocide accusation that has not as yet changed its title, and 3 because there is a significant view in sources that Israel is committing a genocide and I have not as yet seen a sufficiency of sources saying that Israel is not committing a genocide." and here we are. Due to circumstance and current events we are doing this backwards, the child is done and the parent is waiting when ordinarily it would be the other way about and the child renamed without fuss. The issues are the same tho, is there a preponderance of sourcing that makes the proposed title a topic? And then, if so, is there source evidence sufficient to overcome a POVNAME objection. So we will, willy nilly, have to do all that source analysis over again replacing "Gaza" with "Palestine" (or Palestinian, I guess). I suppose it might be possible to merge the two articles but then we will still have the same discussion so that will have to wait.Selfstudier (talk) 22:53, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Wait. I believe that having Misplaced Pages write about apparently two separate Palestinian genocides may be confusing to readers (and also challenging to capture in navboxes). Looking at where things are moving, I think we'll most likely end up with one well-sourced article about a genocide in Palestine whose scope (time, geography) will mirror the scope of the forthcoming ICJ judgment, due in the next year or so. Once that judgement is out, we'll have to discuss merges and renames in the PI topic area, especially as regards genocides, war crimes and human rights violations, to address the current overlapping. While I'm not opposing the proposed rename as a matter of principle, and I see the all-important COMMONNAME point raised by Iskandar, I'd be somehow inclined to wait for the ICJ, not least for any such renames to be sustained. — kashmīrī  00:51, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

  is the final icj verdict expected "in the next year or so"? I thought it was likely going to take "years" ... Rainsage (talk) 03:33, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. I agree that this would be WP:POVTITLE and WP:POVNAME. In addition, there is WP:TITLECON: The title is consistent with the pattern of similar articles' titles. See, for example,

• Allegations of genocide of Ukrainians in the Russo-Ukrainian War
• Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel

The former of these two is also being reviewed at the ICJ. Why should we take it into our hands to decide which case is stronger? There are some exception to this rule, such as the Rohingya genocide, but it has been formally labelled as a genocide by governments, such as the U.S. Amayorov (talk) 01:20, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Well, to be honest, Palestinian genocide has also been formally named by governments, and anyway we don't take government viewpoints that much into consideration when naming articles (especially the US government viewpoint which is particularly underpinned by politics). — kashmīrī  13:02, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose, In the opening of the article it is written: "Debates are ongoing as to whether the entire process and which specific periods or events meet the definitions of genocide or not". To remove the word accusation from the name of the article, is to give the article a wrong name. Hanay (talk) 04:27, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
• Strong oppose The accusations are just that, accusations. There is no hard evidence of a genocide. Felicia (talk) 16:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
• Strong oppose: The opening arguments to move this page make no sense. Unless the meaning of genocide has changed to mean unfortunate victims of a horrible war, there is no genocide going on in Palestine or in Gaza, and this vote and similar votes are a disruptive waste of time which humiliates and demonizes Israelis a kin to the blood libels of the past. The continuation of these types of discussions and the biased decisions which seem to be their inevitable outcomes, will be the downfall of the Misplaced Pages project. DaringDonna (talk) 17:14, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

  Your insinuation that Iskandar's intention was to "humiliate and demonize Israelis" is certainly wrong and also quite unfriendly, especially given that Iskandar has extensively relied on sources. Would you consider retracting it? — kashmīrī  19:33, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per the arguments above; Additionally, many of the claims in this article are significantly less certain/clear than the ones in the Gaza article (which was a close discussion as it was), and it's a POV name (due to being unproven and highly disputed, particularly regarding the legal dimension). It is also too soon, we should wait for the ICJ.

FortunateSons (talk) 17:51, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - removing the word accusation completely changes the meaning of the article title, and is clearly a WP:POVTITLE. On such sensitive a topic, it is clearly influencing the reader and not providing facts. Hkabla (talk) 07:08, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Strong support. Parent should match child, even if the child was changed first. Also, this is the WP:COMMONNAME, and a title itself doesn't suggest a subject is true. Opposition that suggests as such essentially boils down to WP:IDONTLIKE, which isn't a valid reason. "Palestine genocide accusations" doesn't even show up on Ngrams: http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Palestinian+genocide%2CPalestinian+genocide+accusation&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoot "Palestinian genocide" also narrowly beats "Israeli genocide", and the latter would make even less sense, so I'd say that's even more support for the former: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Palestinian+genocide%2CIsraeli+genocide&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3 Also compare with "Black genocide", for example. Lewisguile (talk) 10:28, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

a title itself doesn't suggest a subject is true - if your view is that this holds in general, not just for certain edge cases like Epstein didn't kill himself, wouldn't this view imply that there's no need for the WP:POVTITLE policy?

For POV titles, the standard for commonness becomes a significant majority of English-language sources or effectively become a proper name. It seems like we're far from that. A quick search for Palestinian genocide (without quotes) shows no sources on the first page using that exact wording.

Removing a word from an n-gram will always increase its count in a corpus; I don't think that's a good argument for dropping qualifiers that improve neutrality (except in uncommon cases where the above standard is met). Most titles in Category:Allegations do include such qualifiers. — xDanielx /_C\ 14:35, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

"Palestinian genocide" isn't a POV name; it is the only prevalent name for the topic. There isn't any obvious contender, except for "Israeli genocide", which is likely to cause confusion, as it breaks with the very well worn pattern of "Fooian genocide" being the genocide of the Fooian people. This proposed move merely seeks to bring the page name back into line with using the terminology as it is used in sources, i.e. without the current, inappropriate expression of doubt, which serves no purpose other than to add a value judgement that is not contained in most sources and thus is POV. As for whatever dodgy search was performed above, if you search Google scholar (the only place to look for genocide literature) what pops up for a search of the terms "Palestinian" and "genocide", without any frills, is: Genocide in Palestine: Gaza as a case study, Palestine and genocide: An international historical perspective revisite, Ongoing Palestinian Genocide, Nakba memoricide: genocide studies and the Zionist/Israeli genocide of Palestine, etc. What's not apparent in any of these is the word "accusation", because, again, the charge of genocide isn't a frivolous accusation, but the most weighty of legal and scholarly, peer-reviewed assertions. Iskandar323 (talk) 16:04, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Look, this proposition is half way there in the sense that Gaza genocide exists, and Gaza is an integral part of Palestine per recent ICJ statement of the law, now is some one going to make up a source table for the other half that is sufficient to overcome POVTITLE? Selfstudier (talk) 16:58, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Could start at Talk:Palestinian genocide accusation/Archive 1#Genocide scholars who say it is/is not genocide Selfstudier (talk) 17:00, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

This will not easily work with the scope of this article, as an example for Ilan Pappe, does not view the Nakba as genocide, whereas he views the Blockade of the Gaza Strip around 2006, and the Israeli assault on Gaza from 2023 as two cases of genocide. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 21:09, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Support. This not an accusation, this is a historical genocide. This is the main purpose for Zionism's existence. Dimadick (talk) 16:52, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

How is this comment allowed to remain here? I demand this editor remove such an outrageous and inflammatory statement, much worse than anything I said and was reprimanded for. If this statement is removed, with an apology, I will remove my statement as well. DaringDonna (talk) 19:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Raise any behavioral issues at the editor's talk page in the first instance.Selfstudier (talk) 20:35, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

The main purpose of Zionism is to genocide Palestinians? Bar Harel (talk) 19:09, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm not heavily involved in these discussions, but this is a completely inappropriate reason for a RM vote, especially without a reliable source to back up your claims. I hope an admin strikes this vote when closing this discussion. Jdcomix (talk) 19:59, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. We shouldn’t use a title that implies the veracity of a contentious theory. This is why we have an article called Chemtrail conspiracy theory, not just Chemtrail. Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 20:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

  Well, not true. We have Flat Earth, Levitation (paranormal), Astrology, Alchemy, etc. Article titles don't have to be objectively true; they only need to be terms that have an encyclopaedic notability. — kashmīrī  22:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

  I think it's clear to most readers that those are fringe or non-scientific viewpoints, so there's no real concern about a non-neutral implication. I.e. they're not WP:POVNAMEs for the same reasons that unicorn isn't.

  The most relevant comparisons would be to other disputed accusations, such as 1993 Michael Jackson sexual abuse allegations for example. Would you broadly support removing "allegations" from such titles? — xDanielx /_C\ 05:08, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

  You can't compare it with BLPs – they have a specifically different ruleset. Do the obvious thing, as I mentioned right up top, and compare it with other genocide articles, where you will find no other example of "X genocide accusation". Iskandar323 (talk) 05:11, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

  While BLP does apply to titles, that's only because titles imply statements, thus conveying information to which BLP applies. Under this (unusual) view that titles don't imply statements, 1993 Michael Jackson sexual abuse would merely be a reference to a topic, with no statement to which BLP would apply.

  There are other titles similar to "X genocide accusation" as well, see 1, 2, 3, 4. There are also many other non-BLP titles with similar language, such as CIA drug trafficking allegations, or Alleged Pakistani support for Osama bin Laden. — xDanielx /_C\ 17:26, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

  Your examples are yo-yoing in all directions now, and I'm sure you're aware that you are cherrypicking exceptions, but you have at least seized on at least one comparable "X genocide Y"-style title – though I'll note that the Holodomor title still doesn't appear to have caused you to even mull over the "question" format as an alternative. Are you looking for alternatives? Or eyeing other titles for inspiration? Or merely flagging them to make some sort of point? Iskandar323 (talk) 19:09, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

  All of the examples I've given are about other contested allegations, and thus subject to similar naming considerations. My point is that if we look at closely related examples like that, most of them have some kind of qualifier (whether it's "allegation", "accusation" or "question").

  There's nothing exceptional about my examples, this is just the standard practice for avoiding WP:POVNAMEs for contested allegations. See Category:Allegations.

  Comparisons to dissimilar names/topics like Flat Earth (no real controversy) or Epstein didn't kill himself (very different syntax, and effectively proper) are less relevant. — xDanielx /_C\ 19:53, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

  The most closely related examples, and the ones that you are conspicuously ignoring, are most genocide articles, not the handful of contrarian counter-examples that you've plugged produced. Yes, there is one allegations page about the start of the conflict that was erected by a now topic-banned user. I would suggest that's still at that title because the very notability is spurious. I can't comment on the Ukraine one, but maybe there are good reasons there too. Both are a distraction from the more general pattern of genocide topics being readily presented as topics in titular form without the need to warp the titles with expressions of doubt that also find disfavour in our guidelines. Iskandar323 (talk) 21:08, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

  The question at hand was whether, for articles about contested allegations, titles can imply things about the truth or merit of the claims. We can go into other contested genocide accusations if you like, but the question is a general one, nothing to do with genocide in particular.

  These aren't "contrarian counter-examples", it's at least 100+ articles (I can make a list if you like) which reflect a standard practice of qualifying contested claims in titles. — xDanielx /_C\ 22:49, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

  Ok, that's lovely. You've found 100 unrelated pages that may or may not have been named well. We'd have to discuss 100 specific circumstances to assess them. I'm pointing to the specific corpus of parallel titles in the same topic area as a matter of consistency. You are making vague hand waves at other stuff, as well a ignoring all other points that have been made: not least that this is not a mere accusation, but at bare minimum a serious scholarly assertion. There are numerous academic sources that do not use the word "accusation" in relation to the topic, so it is not a word that is intrinsic to the topic, but a POV on certain aspects of the topic, i.e.: certain statements being labelled accusations. A peer-reviewed in paper in the International Journal of Human Rights, for example, is not an "accusation"; it is the scholarly discussion of a topic that stands alone and apart from mere accusatory language. Iskandar323 (talk) 05:10, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

  If you recognise that no-genocide is a POV then you might also recognise that yes-genocide is a POV too? NPOV asks us not to position POVs as truth where sources are split.

  Aside, but an important one: “scholarly” is a better trump card in the empirical sciences where the paper authors are theoretically neutral referees. Less so in the social sciences in cases where the authors are themselves players. Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 07:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

  There's not a no-genocide and yes-genocide option. There's the title that's just the description of the subject, or the same title with a misrepresentative and POV expression of doubt. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:21, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - Using the logic for the name change of the article Gaza genocide for this article is extremely off point. This article is specifically about the history of the argumentation to there being a potential genocide of Palestinians, as such it deals with a vast array of frameworks and instances under analysis, including instances which while relevant to the history of this academic discourse, do not have the weight of support from experts to consider them genocides under expert consensus. This means should (the ridiculous option be taken) the article's name change the scope is then changed, and these instances should be removed from the article, which makes Misplaced Pages's coverage of this discourse poorer.

The strongest arguments of genocide occurring to the Palestinians are specific instances, such as Sabra and Shatila, or Gaza from 2023. The much broader scope argument, as per scholars like Rosemary Sayigh and Mohammed Nijim, is less well supported, that is that the past century is one procession of genocidal ideology, with distinct periods of repression and destruction. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 21:02, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

The overarching operative theme here is that of: Israel’s slow-motion genocide in occupied Palestine. Iskandar323 (talk) 21:15, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

You may want to read the comment before replying. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 21:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, yes, you think it's irreconcilable. But I'm not sure who put you in charge of the "stronger arguments". Iskandar323 (talk) 22:06, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Weak oppose per arguments above. It should link to Gaza genocide in the lead. Kowal2701 (talk) 21:06, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per DecafPotato and Hanay. Rlendog (talk) 21:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
• Wait/Oppose per various bits of Kashmiri, DecafPotato, and Cdjp’s arguments. Agree with the point that the scope of this article more deals with whether there’s been an long-running genocide against Palestinians for decades (which is still a subject of intense academic/RS debate/interpretation, as the article currently states), while Gaza genocide deals more with the actively-ongoing war in Gaza (where academics/RS are more in agreement). The Kip 23:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support - at bottom, it's just a more concise way of saying Palestinian genocide question or Palestinian genocide debate. The title "Palestinian genocide" doesn't suggest that there is a Palestinian genocide, just that there is something called "Palestinian genocide," and there is. This lesson is basically my take-away from the Gaza genocide RM. (Which is not a fork, because that article's scope is Gaza 2023-present, and this one's is the entire I/P conflict.) So it's precise, recognizable, natural, and consistent, all the WP:CRITERIA. And I'd be fine with it being called "Chemtrail" instead of "Chemtrail conspiracy theory." If we have an article called "Flat Earth," it doesn't mean our readers will think the Earth is flat. I trust they'll read past the title, at least most of the first sentence. Levivich (talk) 23:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose Far too strong a wording to put into Wikivoice, especially given the dispute among reliable sources. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 01:26, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
• Strong Support. I agree with most of the above arguments for renaming this article, and, in addition to condemnations from international criminal courts, the United Nations, and human rights organisations, 75% of scholars who are experts in this area, even within the United States, which is far more supportive of Israel than the rest of this world, agree that the Israeli government is currently carrying out a genocide, whereas only 4% consider its actions justified. David A (talk) 09:15, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

  That source says 34%, not 75%. Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 11:04, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

  75% being 41% major war crimes akin to genocide and 34% genocide (in Gaza). Selfstudier (talk) 11:33, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

  I wouldn’t be too quick to lump the two together. That 41% had the option to call it unqualified genocide, and chose not to. Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 17:20, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

  It’s also not focussed on the conflict at large, but only the Gaza portion. In addition, those are Middle East scholars, not genocide or legal scholars. FortunateSons (talk) 12:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

  Still weighty input. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:22, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

  A qualified statement (“akin”) about the (highly but nevertheless) least disputed part of the conflict, by a group with at best tangential expertise? FortunateSons (talk) 14:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

  Middle Eastern scholars are more aware than most on the topic of Israel's persistent breaches of international and humanitarian law, not inclined to fall for fleeting media charades, and naturally well positioned to comment. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:46, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

  To comment maybe, but even excluding the bias discussion, there is no inherent expertise in the three relevant areas (genocide, law, military) by being a ME scholar. FortunateSons (talk) 16:07, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

  I'm not sure you can be a Middle Eastern scholar without knowing about all three of those things. Iskandar323 (talk) 16:13, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

  I know about those things too, and so would a well-trained sociologist. Neither he nor I are experts (as Misplaced Pages defines it) in the distinction between war, occupation and genocide. It’s possible that some have additional qualifications that make them experts in the field (at what I guess is an above average rate), but the cited survey did not select for that. FortunateSons (talk) 16:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

  @David A as this article isn't just about the Gaza genocide, you'd need to show similar assessments for every instance this article covers. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 14:46, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

  Not really. There are no such pre-requisites. But broader sources are obviously more applicable here, yes. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:59, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Support as per WP:NDESC Avoid judgmental and non-neutral words; for example, allegation or alleged can either imply wrongdoing, or in a non-criminal context may imply a claim "made with little or no proof" and so should be avoided in a descriptive title.

These days increasing no. of sources no longer using alleged. So i think wiki should do it as well Astropulse (talk) 04:41, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Support — I share the view that most of the above points justify renaming this article. Sir Calculus (talk) 14:34, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - People actually state here that they wish to move it because the "main point of Zionism is to genocide Palestinians". Are we back to blaming Jews for global domination, poisoning wells and making bread out of Christian blood? If you're already doing it least update it, now we're in charge of black holes, global warming and we made the Earth flat. Looks like Misplaced Pages is turning into 4chan. Bar Harel (talk) 19:21, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

  WP:WHITEWASH. By the way, well-documented killings of 100,000+ civilians is not same as "causing black holes", nor is Israel same as Jews. — kashmīrī  20:57, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

  Do you have a citation for 100.000 Palestinian civilians? Palestinian casualties of war and a realistic civilian/combatant ratio for the recent conflict doesn’t get me close, but I could be wrong FortunateSons (talk) 21:20, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

  Estimates vary, e.g., this source quotes 100,000 Palestinians killed by the end of 2021. The Palestinian casualties of war feels a bit unreliable: it says 3,000 killed in the Nakba while Time gives the number as 15,000. However, primarily, Israel has killed Palestinians not only by shooting them. It has used more perverse methods – depriving them of water in summer, of heating in winter, of food all year round, bombing hospitals and blocking the supply of medications. How many people have died only because Israel has been blocking access to anything more than basic healthcare for decades? They are all victims of deliberate Israeli policies, and they are certainly well above 100,000 when even the ongoing Israeli invasion has killed an estimated 186,000 people. — kashmīrī  23:57, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

  As far as I can tell, the first two sources do not exclude combatants or other members of armed groups. While counting indirect (as in: not directly attributable, something that at least within colloquial usage generally isn’t called killed) is an complicated endeavour, I do think we can both agree that “ well-documented killings of 100,000+ civilians” doesn’t include projected casualties? FortunateSons (talk) 08:10, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

  I wouldn't go into combatant-noncombatant discussion, at least as long as Israel considers anyone who throws a rock at an Israeli soldier a "terrorist" who needs to be killed on the spot.

  If you want to exclude people deliberately starved to death or those who had to die "in the largest open-air prison" for deliberate refusal of medical services, you'll need to revise down WW2 casualties, too. — kashmīrī  10:30, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

  Well, the distinction of when someone throwing rocks is or isn’t a combatant is a lot more complicated, but I’m pretty sure that we can both agree that at least some of them are directly taking part in hostilities, and therefore aren’t afforded the protections one usually associates with civilians, with the same applying to any Palestinian who uses attempts to use (deadly) force against Israelis, even if they do not de jure lose their status as civilians?

  Are we counting indirect deaths among the Axis powers as „civilians killed by the allies“? If so, I would probably be opposed to it, yes. Because that is the relevant analogy here, not people „deliberately starved to death (which make up a very small amount of casualties) or „deliberately denied medical services“ which again, the number of people for whom Israel is clearly obligated to provide medical services and doesn’t is a homeopathic amount.FortunateSons (talk) 11:11, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

  Can we take this OT convo elsewhere, please. Selfstudier (talk) 11:33, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

  Sure, but generally speaking, refuting an inaccurate casualty count for civilians is on topic, as long as the casualty count is an argument. FortunateSons (talk) 11:37, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

  My friendly advice would be to avoid making personal evaluations about how many people being intentionally starved to death is too many. The correct answer is any number above zero. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:28, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, as applicable to the death of any innocent civilian. However, considering the intentionality is disputed and the confirmed number (for total starvation, not necessarily intentional starvation, but potentially higher due to lack of information) is below 50 as of the beginning of this month (per Gaza Strip famine), it would make up less than 1/2000 of the casualties claimed above. Any dead civilian is a tragedy, but if I estimated the number of dead Israeli civilians as double or triple what they actually are to make a claim about them being victims of a genocide, you would rightly be critical of that estimate, even though the correct number of Israelis killed is zero. FortunateSons (talk) 16:44, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

  Sigh, why nobody listens to me, somebody hat this stuff. Selfstudier (talk) 16:46, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

  While I can’t speak for the others, I‘m fine with you doing it. FortunateSons (talk) 16:52, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

  @FortunateSons, two Palestinian children a day, and many more Palestinian adults per day have been deliberately denied life-saving treatment by Israel. I don't know what numbers you call homoeopathic, but certainly these thousands of dying people are not. See also this. I stand by the number of 100,000 deliberately killed over 70 years as a conservative estimate. Anyway, as Iskandar pointed out, precise numbers don't matter as long as they are above 0. — kashmīrī  22:09, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

  Take this to my talk page per Selfstudier, preferably with an RS backing up the number. FortunateSons (talk) 22:18, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

  Not "people," just one guy, and I don't get why this one guy's inflammatory comment is a basis to oppose this RM? (Also, FYI, Israel did in fact poison Palestinian wells .) Levivich (talk) 00:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Support Most things said above , but most scholars and the absolute majority of the world (both counting population and country) which is not composed of only the US and co. agrees too AlexBobCharles (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Support - to keep "accusation" in the title is bias. I don't doubt that supporters of Israel will deny this until the end of time, genocide denial is not uncommon. D1551D3N7 (talk) 14:15, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

• Strongly support per several above points. Quattrovalvole

• Oppose per comments above. This makes it a POV title.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 22:48, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The current title is a reasonable compromise that was come to in discussions several months ago. Given the general pivot away from titling things "x genocide" when such claims are contentious (notably the recent Uyghur genocide move), I don't see a reason to reverse the trend. Hemiauchenia (talk) 03:37, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

  @Hemiauchenia: For the record, I wasn't anywhere near the discussion, but I think the move away from "Uyghur genocide" is a terrible one. Not only is that the clearly prevalent name for the topic, but the issue of denial and euphemism in the circumstances is widely discussed in literature. The "vocational training centres" in Xinjiang are unambiguous concentration camps and the cultural genocide, suppression and erasure is off the charts. However it is the mass, forced sterilisation of women that clearly contravenes Article 2D of the Genocide Convention, as has been amply reiterated in scholarship on it. The point is, I'm not sure how useful a guiding star that move is for best practice. Iskandar323 (talk) 04:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

  @Iskandar323 I was reading the Uyghur article and I think maybe the editors changed the title to persecution because it seems like China has closed most of the camps and instead transferred some of the people to prisons. The rest are monitored/under surveillance. Since at least the camps where abuses were taking place have mostly been closed, maybe that was a factor for changing the title to persecution. Wafflefrites (talk) 17:59, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Strong Support as per the insightful arguments made by Levivich. Scientelensia (talk) 06:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support I was and am still not completely clear on on this, because of the idea that there are two genocides, one in Gaza and another in the OPT taken as a whole (for that matter what about the Palestinian refugees/diaspora?). I have nevertheless decided to hang my hat on a Center for Constitutional Rights paper, The Genocide of the Palestinian People: An International Law and Human Rights Perspective which asserts (as of 2016) that "there is a long history of human rights scholarship and legal analysis that supports the assertion. Prominent scholars of the international law crime of genocide and human rights authorities take the position that Israel’s policies toward the Palestinian people could constitute a form of genocide" and "Numerous prominent human rights authorities, advocates, and scholars have claimed that Israel’s policies and actions with respect to the Palestinian people have amounted to a form of genocide." and since 2016, matters have obviously further deteriorated. Selfstudier (talk) 10:06, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
• 'Oppose, Misplaced Pages should not take sides on such an extremely controversial allegation. Using the title "Palestinian genocide" implies that Misplaced Pages endorses this partisan claim, and violates policies such as WP:POVNAME and WP:POVTITLE. The same applies for Gaza genocide. HaOfa (talk) 11:37, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. It's not Misplaced Pages's place to make political assessments. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:32, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support per Levivich. Bogus are the claims that moving the title is "political" or "taking sides" but keeping it as is somehow isn't. إيان (talk) 19:16, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support. As pointed out by Levivich, there is scholarly consensus for the genocide in Palestine. The citation in the lead describes this as a slow-motion genocide (published in 2008). Reputable human rights organizations have published documentation of Israel committing genocide. The ICJ has found it plausible that there is genocide, despite a sustained pressure campaign from the US and its allies that is unprecedented in history. Given all of this context, the current title is a highly politicized claim and is a violation of WP:NPOV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoolAndUniqueUsername (talk • contribs) 20:41, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - per DecafPotato and xDanielx. Jdcomix (talk) 20:03, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Support. Consensus exists among scholarly sources, NGOs, and international bodies like the UN that a genocide exists. The implication that it is simply an accusation or an allegation is giving WP:UNDUE weight to sources that go against the consensus. I would go so far as to say that this falls under the definition on WP:FRINGE: We use the term fringe theory in a very broad sense to describe an idea that departs significantly from the prevailing views or mainstream views in its particular field. Di (they-them) (talk) 22:49, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose This is clearly very controversial. With most of the world, academics and experts not recognizing this a genocide, the proposed title change risks Wikivoice. In the UN, it is Francesca Albanese and another few figures who state this, not the wider body. Therefore, claims that the UN has declared that what is happeneing in Gaza is genocide is not the case. Let's not ruin Misplaced Pages with presenting narrative voices as the truth. ABHammad (talk) 07:43, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

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Why is the category Biden administration controversies on this article? What does Joe Biden have to do with the genocide in Palestine? 2A01:5A8:303:C65E:C1CA:3323:5D99:4DC (talk) 11:06, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Treating this as an edit request for removal. Done. (unless someone can explain what I might be missing here). Selfstudier (talk) 11:12, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

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