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::It doesn't matter. Policy states that you cannot copy and paste the same message to several talk pages, especially if it is an attempt to 'rally' them to a discussion. --] 02:50, 21 July 2006 (UTC) ::It doesn't matter. Policy states that you cannot copy and paste the same message to several talk pages, especially if it is an attempt to 'rally' them to a discussion. --] 02:50, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

::Dont worry Seyyed. I'll email you next time. Inshanee's just trying to give me a hard time :)--] 02:56, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


==Misconceptions== ==Misconceptions==

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Welcome!

Hello, Sa.vakilian, and welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Misplaced Pages:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome!  —Khoikhoi 15:47, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

note

We have some WP Iranian admins if you ever need help. User:Mani1 and User:Roozbeh are working on the Farsi WP. User:Refdoc and User:Pouya do visit once in a while. User:Aytakin is getting voted. User:Pasha Abd and User:Amir85 and User:Babakgh help out regularly too. We have a lot of western editors that have taken the responsibility of protecting our pages (and even helping out with them) too, like User:Jpbrenna, User:Hottentot, User:Jonsafari, User:Fishal, and others.

But we still lack many things. We have some provinces like Yazd province and Kohkiluyeh BoyerAhmad that are still literally empty, and our cultural pages are still largely empty. Im trying to work on the literature pages in the next month or so. I just finished organizing the Iranian architecture page and its related pages to a minimally acceptable level.

I usually like to be contributing to the cultural pages. But sometimes we have editors here that come around and start making lots of trouble.

As youve probably noticed by now, editors like Zora are quite problematic. She has a long history of edit wars against Iranian editors. See this page for example, where she engaged in an edit war for a long time to try to delete any connections between Iran and the Elamites. She supports British-Arab Ahvazi separatists, has been trying to rewrite The Islamic conquest of Iran and Academy of Jundishapur pages constantly, and basically has a big problem with Persians. And that perhaps explains her enmity on the Shia pages as well. Her edit wars can be read here and here and here and here, ad infinitum.

Kheili kerm mirizeh. Movazebesh baash. 18:26, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

re: please help me

salam.

I saw this {{islam}}

Part of a series on
Islam
Beliefs
Practices
History
Culture and society
Related topics

in the islamic articles. I want to make sth like it in persian wikipedia, but I can't find its structure. Please tell me the adress of {{islam}}.

I'm glad to meet you. ya Ali.--Sa.vakilian 00:29, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

It's a template at Template:Islam (code here). joturner 05:37, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:Islam

Hi there, The Islam template is used in all Islam related articles and it carries an image of the mosque, if you take a close look at the other religion templates they all carry an icon that actually symbolizes the particular religion. The question is what symbolizes Islam? As a muslim you would agree that we cannot Idolize any symbol as sacred as it would be Shirk. So the next question is what kind of icon would correctly represent Islam and Muslims? It is undoubtedly the Shahada, because without it we wouldn't be muslims. So I have suggested to change the template image from a masjid to a Masjid with the Shahada in it. In order to have the image in the template I need build some consense, could you kindly visit the talk page (Template_talk:Islam) and make your suggestion, lets have the template change so it will correctly represent Islam. (You do not have to support it if you dont like it). thanks in advance.  «₪Mÿš†íc₪»  10:56, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments  «₪Mÿš†íc₪»  17:57, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:Islam

Hi, and thanks brother for the link. However, as you might have noticed, im not very involved in that template. But thanks for your commet. Peace! --Striver 17:37, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Shahada

Actually, some Shi'a Muslims do add a phrase to the standard Shahada, recognizing Ali as the successor of Muhammad. But I gather that this is considered optional. Zora 06:46, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm a shi'a and I know that, but shahada is the words that you say when you want to become Muslim and repeat it in each pray(salat). Absolutely there isn't anything but I believe to one God(Allah) and Mohammad is his prophet. So there isn't any difference betweeen shi'a and Sonni.--Sa.vakilian 07:23, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Salam

Daastaan e een khanum e زُرا sar e deraazee daarad. eeshoon osoolan baa editor haaye shia ziyaad miyaaneh ye khoobee nadaarad, va sa'i dar hazf va kam ahammiyat jelveh daadan e e'teghaadaat e Shi'i raa daarad. زُرا osoolan e'teqaadaat e Shi'i raa "academic" nemidaanad. masalan tamaam e nazaraat e Hozeh elmiyeh Qom raa mardood midaanad. Hameentor nazaraat e Nasr, Tabatabaei, va digaraan.

eeshaan dar maqaalaat e marboot be Iran ham be sheddat baa'es e jang va "edit war" haaye faraavaan shodeh ast. eeshaan az tarafdaaraan e par o paa qors e jodaayee talab haaye "al-Ahwaz" dar khuzestan hastand. mitavaaneed be Talk:Ahvaz Talk:Khuzestan, Talk:Ethnic politics of Khuzestan, va ....moraaje'eh koneed taa khod bebinid. moddat e 2 saal ast ke eeshaan baa maa editorial war daarand.

email me and I will explain more, if you like.--Zereshk 01:55, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Salam Sa.vakilian,

Lotfan shoma ham comment man rou rooye safheye Zereshk bebin. Manam mesle shoma ham iraniyam va ham shia va kheyli kheyli tooye wikipedia vaseye maghalehaye Islami zahmat keshidam. --Aminz 03:13, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Smiley Template

After some thought I decided to create this smiley template, as I thought most of the arguments in the talk pages are due to misinterpretaion of what is being said, hopefully these smileys will help us (at least me !!) communicate in a much more friendly manner. Hope you all will like it.

  • {{smiley|1}} will produce (Friendly smile)
  • {{smiley|2}} will produce (Confident)
  • {{smiley|3}} will produce (Mocking)
  • {{smiley|4}} will produce (Hysterical)
  • {{smiley|5}} will produce (Hurt)
  • {{smiley|6}} will produce (Very Sorry)
  • {{smiley|7}} will produce (Sleepy)
  • {{smiley|8}} will produce (You are Nive)
  • {{smiley|9}} will produce (I am not happy)
  • {{smiley|0}} will produce (No Comments)

 «₪Mÿš†íc₪»  20:15, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

More Smileys for you
  • {{smiley|10}} will produce (Congratulations)
  • {{smiley|11}} will produce (I am in deep trouble)
  • {{smiley|12}} will produce (I am innocent)
  • {{smiley|13}} will produce (Sceptical)
  • {{smiley|14}} will produce (Upset)
  • {{smiley|15}} will produce (I am shocked)

 «₪Mÿš†íc₪»  19:00, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Re:Your Comments

Thanks for your compliments brother, Regarding nominating Zora as an Admin user.. I have no objection regarding this, she is a very knowledgeable person, but only thing is she tends to loose her temper alot in the past (at least with me . Infact I had difficulties understanding what she is saying, most of the times.. My personal feeling is, in the past she has assumed that she is the final authority in some of the Islam related articles, I think she would've changed now, specially after the ArbCom case, what I am saying here is only my personal opinion and you should make your judgement based on your own findings.. Regarding the Template:Islam could you help me build consensus on the talk page? I would need some more muslims to vote there.. The difficulty is finding Muslims who's got a backbone to make such a brave decision..  «₪Mÿš†íc₪»  03:31, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

More information

eenjaa ro ham yek sari bezan va bekhoon :

http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Aminz#dobareh_salam.21

just in case youre interested about the question you asked me earlier. Thanx.--Zereshk 03:45, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Salam,
Dar morede oon "olgoo",
I was thinking about making one in English about Shias. nazaret chiyeh?--Zereshk 20:26, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Badbakhtee eene ke dorost kardan e olgooye jaame'ee dar morede Islam dar WP engeleesee mostalzem e jalb e nazar e movaafeghe kheili aadam haast, choon yek cheezee hodood e 15-20 nafar betor e saabet 24 saa'at rooye article haaye Islam kaar meekonand, va lezaa momkene ke reseedan be tavaafogh baa een joor aadamaa moshkel baasheh. valee tasavvor mikonam ke dorost kardan e olgooye "Shi'a" kaar e asoon taree basheh, because it is only me, Striver, khaled, and 2 or 3 other users. What do you think?--Zereshk 16:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


Salam Seyyed,
This is the address of the template you were asking about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Template:Islam

Knowledge gap hypothesis

Hi. My only edit to the article was to fix a disambiguous link to ], which I linked to mass media, if that's not correct here is the medium disambig page so you can find an appropriate link. Thanks! - Dreadlocke 04:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Raas meegee

Salam,

Man taa jaayee ke havaasam boodeh sa'i kardam ke "hokoomat haa", "rahbaraan", va "afraad e raast garaa" ro moqasser neshoon bedam. Na a'raab e ma'moolee ro. Man zoor ham az A'raab e sadr e Islam, afraadee mesle Umar, Yazeed, Bani Umayyeh, va amsaalohom hast. Hadaf e man "Arab seteezee" aslan naboodeh va neest.

Ammaa een bi sharaf haayee ke daarand aziyyat meekonand (ke esmeshoon ro nemeebaram), faqat va faqat hadafeshoon "irani seteezee" hast. va een khoon e mano joosh miyaareh. maa 8 saal jangeedeem, 1 million koshteh daadeem taa eenhaa haalaa biyaand yek mosht dari bari beneveesan o jang ro taqseer e maa bendaazand? Be maa migan racist? man mikhaam bedoonam ke aslan tooye Evin maa Arab daareem? een bisharaf haa faqat daaran ahdaaf e tajziyeh talabi e Iran ro donbaal mikonand. Man ke khoonam joosh miyaad kesee Iran ro badnaam koneh.--Zereshk 03:25, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

man ghablan een mataaleb ro ezaafeh kardeh boodam. User:Ahwaz har do ro paak kard. But I will edit your additions. No problem.
esm e maqaaleh ro emrooz avaz kardam: Anti-Persian sentiments. Ammaa eenhaa hanooz dobaal e bahaaneh migardan.--Zereshk 04:23, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree. All along, for 2 years now, I have been trying to point toward the Umar, Uthman, the Umayyids and their ruling oppression as the source of the mawali and ajam hatred.--Zereshk 23:23, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Sobh bekheir seyyed,

Here it is. Bebeen nazaret chiyeh:

After the Islamic Conquest of Persia, many Iranians (a.k.a. "mawali") came to despise the Umayyids because of their policies of discrimination and and Arab superiority. The Shu'ubiyah movement was a consequence that followed, illustrating that Iranians had adopted Islam and yet retained their identity. Furthermore, in spite of whatever sectarian affiliations they would adopt, they exhibited strong sympathy for the progeny of Ali and Fatima Zahra, the daughter of the prophet of Islam. Hence numerous shrines of the prophet's household built by Iranians today dot the vast lands of Iran, Iraq, and Syria.

baa ejaazeh.--Zereshk 02:25, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

aks az haram

I tried taking pics of Haram Emam Reza, but as you know, doorbeen haa ro migiran.

The only pics we have are:

We need a pic of Imam Reza, Shah Cheragh, and Shabdel Azim.--Zereshk 03:31, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

bahat movaafeqam: een kaar laazemeh. Ammaa az nazar e copyright baayad motma'en baasheem, choon maa ghablan 2-3 taa aks az haram Emam Reza rooye Mashad daashteem. "WP Image Police" paakeshoon kard. Gomaan mikonam agar aksee maghbool e WP Farsi qaraar begireh, maqbool e WP engeleesee ham hatman qaraar migireh.
We can try using those pics you showed me. But they might get deleted by the WP Image Police, unless they are: PD, GFDL, or something similar.--Zereshk 04:18, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Albatteh ke mitooneem.--Zereshk 04:42, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

RE:Salam

Wasalaam, Welcome to wikipedia, your help would be greatly appreciated. It's nice to have another Shia member who could help make the Islamic articles NPOV. --Khalid 09:01, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid many articles concerning the Shia denomination (see Category:Shi'a Islam) are in bad shape. What is really sorely missing for many is a citable reference. --Lambiam 16:40, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Medal

Medale chist? Tala, silver ya bronze?! Hehe. Most active Iranian editors at the moment seem to be Zereshk, me and Amir85 as far as I know --K a s h 15:15, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Salam,

Man kesee ro dar Misplaced Pages farsi nemeeshnaasam. Ammaa dar engeleesee pishnahaad e man: Kash, ManiF, and Ali doostzadeh. Motasefaaneh SouthernComfort deegeh eenjaa neest. vagarneh oon ham kandidaye khoobi meeshod.--Zereshk 11:02, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Salam!

Regarding, Fatimah, see Genealogy of Khadijah's Daughters and point 274 here --Striver 11:19, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Salam Sa.vakilian. As far as Shi’as are concerned I think we believe that Hazrat Mohammed SAW had one daughter (Bibi Fatima Zahra (AS)) and one son (Qasim ibn Muhammad AKA Abd-Allah ibn Muhammad). Unfortunately Hazrat Mohammed SAW’s son (Qasim ibn Muhammad AKA Abd-Allah ibn Muhammad) died in an early age. And because of that we the Shi’as believe that Hazrat Mohammed SAW’s family extended from the family of Imam Ali AS and Bibi Fatima Zahra (AS) children. But Sa.vakilian you know what just to be on the safe side and to find out the real truth, why don’t you contact a Shi’a mosque and ask them this question and if they disagree with what I just told you then please please don’t hesitate to tell me what they told you, Okay. Thank You Salman
Yeah, i have also have heard that from numerous sources. --Striver 11:01, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Are Qasim ibn Muhammad and Abd-Allah ibn Muhammad the same persons? Source? --Striver 18:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Salam,

It is a bit odd. Tabatabaei's book "Shia Islam" p. 191 calls Fatima, the prophet's "sole beloved daughter". The online edition at Howzeh Elmiyeh Qom has taken out the word "sole".

So I looked in other sources. I found this passage:

"Khadija gave birth to several children of whom only four daughters survived: Zainab, Umme Kulthum, Ruqiya, and Fatima-Zahra who was the youngest and most exalted of them all.
There is a difference between historians regarding the first two daughters, for some claim that they were the Prophet's step-daughters; but the fact is that they were his direct daughters."

It is located on p.32 of "Fatima (A.S.) The Gracious" by Abu Muhammad Ordoni. Published by: Ansariyan Publications, Qom. Balagh.net has an online edition here.

Another source here says:

در تعداد فرزندان حضرت خديجه ، ميان مورخان اختلاف است . به‏گفته مشهور : ثمره ازدواج رسول خدا و خديجه ، شش فرزند بود .

1- هاشم . 2- عبدالله . به اين دو «طاهر» و «طيب‏»مى‏گفتند . . 3- رقيه . 4- زينب 5- ام كلثوم . 6- فاطمه .

رقيه بزرگترين دخترانش بودو زينب ، ام كلثوم و فاطمه به‏ترتيب پس از رقيه قرار داشتند . پسران خديجه پيش از بعثت‏پيامبر (ص) ، بدرود زندگى گفتند . ولى دخترانش ، نبوت پيامبر(ص) را درك كردند .

گروهى از محققان معتقدند : قاسم و همه دختران رسول خدا (ص)پس از بعثت‏به دنيا آمدند و چندروز پس از پيامبر خدا (ص) به‏مدينه هجرت كردند .

So I think you are right. But I think we should just be inclusive and mention all theories. Like for example "X says this and Y says that".--Zereshk 20:31, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

What copyright violation is our brother Grenavitar is talking about

I encourage each and every single wikipedian to go and visit the website our friend Grenavitar posted. He blames me for copying the information from that website about the Sahaba and cousin of Hazrat Mohammed SAW (Abdullah ibn Abbas). The truth is, when I don’t know much about something or someone, before I start writing anything about it I always go to other neutral websites and absorbs information from then and after doing that all I starting writing on wikipedia.org. Grenavitar has blamed me for violating the copyrights of wikipedia and he also blocked me from editing any pages. After taking and explaining this matter to wikipedia representatives, hey allowed me to edit again. Grenavitar blocked me from editing any article and at the same time he was saying things about me that were not true, I had no way of defending myself since I wasn’t able to post my responds. But now I encourage each and every single wikipedian to go and visit that website and decided for themselves what really happened. Thank You Salman

Saman?

Im not sure I know Saman. Is he in English WP or Farsi WP?--Zereshk 04:40, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Ahan. Salman o migi?
Ziyaad baahaash moraavedeh nadaashtam. Nemishnaasamesh.
Raast o pooskandeh meegam: Shi'eh hast? Agar Shi'a baasheh, va yaa agar edit haaye zedde Shi'eh nadaashteh baasheh, man behesh ra'i meedam. That is my opinion.--Zereshk 04:49, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Misconceptions about the Shia

"Sheikh Mahmud Shaltut, who declared the Shi'a as a legitimate Islamic school of thought"

een qesmatesh ro man naneveshtam. I dont know who wrote it.--Zereshk 05:01, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

"Among the different groups, the Shi'a have in particular been harmed more than any other Islamic denomination due to lack of sufficient reliable references that are readily available to foreign researchers. In the words of Edward Browne, "we still have no access to any detailed, sufficient, and reliable works on the Shi'i school of thought in any of the European languages."

I think after Corbin efforts and Islamic revolution this problem reduced very much.

I wrote this part based on the article in: Message of Thaqalayn, Vol 3, No 1-2, p.121-122.
Even with Corbin's contributions, the number of studies on Shias is much much less in comparison to studies on Sunnis. It is as if Sunnis define what Islam is. Motevajjehi chee meegam?

Why don't you refer to story of "abdollah ben sabba" and the responce of allame askari to it.

We can add it of course.--Zereshk 05:01, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

We can also tell the history of distortion of shiite view like call us rafezi.-

een ham fekr e khoobieh.--Zereshk 05:01, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Salam,

nemeedoonam chera bargasht mikhoreh. Did you type in nima53@yahoo.com ?

I think pluralism is a good thing. It's the closest thing to a compromise that keeps as most people happy as possible.--Zereshk 22:43, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Salam Seyed,

I got your email.

Rastee, baa man mitooni farsi harf bezanee. Motevajjeh misham. But I will answer you in English. because my speed of typing in farsi is eftezaah. Maybe 5 kalameh dar daghigheh. :( Anyway. Take care. man beram khooneh deegeh. I will answer you tomorrow.--Zereshk 04:13, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Salam

Thanks for the message. Ive already used Mehr-e Taban. Im looking for other sources. Preferably Shia. Farsi sources are OK too. mer30.--Zereshk 23:21, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

la aqal mitooni yek nazari dar (talk page) bahs e maqaleh -e Tai al -Ardh bedee. Komak e khoobi misheh. choon POV tag daareh. Rastee, to ba User:Striver ashnaaee daaree? Mikhai behesh mo'arefeet bokonam? He is very good guy.--Zereshk 23:25, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for the greetings my friend. It's nice to know I have Shiite brothers in the wikipedian community.--Jaber90 04:09, 16 July 2006 (UTC) I'm only active in English and French wiki.

Salam!

Salam barada Sa.vakilian, khobi?

So, Zereshk told me you want to help? Is there any special article you had in mind, any special topic you prefer, or would anything do? I managed to fill in a bit regarding Tabarra, but i have very little information and imagination regardin Tawalla, any ideas on how to expand that? Forbidding What is Evil and Commanding What is Just are some important articles that could use some expansion... but all three are prety hard articles to expand, would you prefer some other area? Peace! --Striver 12:54, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Kubam, emrci :)

No problem bro, take your time and tell me when you need help! --Striver 13:04, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

There are several reasons for Hezbollah's continued conflict with Israel. Hezbollah is still contesting Israel's control of the Shebaa farms region. While Lebanon and Syria support Hezbollah's claim, Israel do not and regularly enters its troops and plane in Lebanese territory.

How about that? --Striver 13:21, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

If you want, I can help you in articles concerning Lebanon and Hezbollah. I am very close to Hezbollah. Just tell me how I can help you. --Jaber90 16:31, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Salam

Sa.vakilian, I hope you are well and doing fine. Unfortunately, I've never got a chance to closely study the Lebanon, Israel, Hezbollah. All I know is based on the information I've gained through media. I think those articles can help me learning more about these issues. I'll contribute to those article once I got the confidence of doing so. --Aminz 22:23, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: removing some part of begining

سلام علیک

نعم, اننى اعرف

The information is certainly necessary to provide context. I believe it should be in the last paragraph of the "Hezbollah raid" subsection, where the naming of the operation is explained. You may want to find another source that actually says that is the reason for the name, which shouldn't be to hard. I already included a citation from The China Daily which says that Hizballah planned to capture Israelis to free prisoners (eg Samir Kuntar), which would be better than the source you provided, which only quotes a supporter, and not a Hizballah member, so perhaps you should use a {{ref name=whatever}} to back up your statement. Mersi, Tewfik 07:12, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello,
Unfortunately, I have not been able to commit much time to the 'pedia recently, so I was not yet able to effect any of the changes that you had brought to my attention. If you still see any issues, please let me know. Cheers, Tewfik 00:09, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Sorry for the late answer, im not going to be so active in in the following days, mostly holding an eye. peace.--Striver 07:26, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Salam.

The only muslims I know here are striver and khaled. AminZ also helps out. there are others too (but I dont know them personally).--Zereshk 19:12, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Re:Israeli casualties

Salam

Could you be more specific? I didn't understand from your comments what problem you have recognised or what to do about it. Cheers, Tewfik 21:31, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Urgent

Please vote here. Thanks--Zereshk 00:37, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

The above message was spammed to over a dozen talk pages. As this is against policy, all spam messages were removed. --InShaneee 02:44, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
It doesn't matter. Policy states that you cannot copy and paste the same message to several talk pages, especially if it is an attempt to 'rally' them to a discussion. --InShaneee 02:50, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Dont worry Seyyed. I'll email you next time. Inshanee's just trying to give me a hard time :)--Zereshk 02:56, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Misconceptions

We can merge them, no doubt. But after we merge, we wont be able to address the problem of accumulating misconceptions in the media about Iran. It will be left unaddressed.--Zereshk 02:40, 21 July 2006 (UTC)