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Labeling Hamas as "terrorists"

Hi. Rms125a@hotmail.com insists on labeling Hamas "a terrorist group" on Hebrew University bombing while showing little interesting in discussing it and more so in keeping such POV language. As WP:TERRORIST says, you should be careful about such wording. Main articles about groups like Hamas and Hizbollah don't describe them as such. So I think it's a big violation of NPOV and as he insists on keeping this while showing no interest in discussing it (his edit commentary "too bad, you do not decide; seek talk page consensus" tells much), what can I do? Because such POV language shouldn't be there for even a minute. Misplaced Pages can't take sides. --IRISZOOM (talk) 19:46, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

(tpw) Well, as I pointed oht over there just now, community norms are not overridden by local consensus. Though there have been spats over the years, the articles on hamas, Hezbollah, etc...generally go along the lines of "X is a militant organization, and X is considered a terrorist group by A, B, and C." That seemed to make everyone other than the most strident POV-pushers (of both sides) content back in the day, but it has been quite awhile since I have been involved in the I-P topic area. Tarc (talk) 19:53, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

You are correct. It's a good wording. --IRISZOOM (talk) 20:16, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

I can't comment on the content. Among the perks of being an admin is that I have to keep out of content issues, even though I'd love to do some article work in this topic area (though not on Hamas specifically); so the books on my shelf are purely for my own interest. What I can say is that the word "terrorist" is not absolutely prohibited, and there can be legitimate uses for it, though we should be very careful about using it in Misplaced Pages's voice whether this is such a legitimate use is not my decision and not something I can comment on, but is a legitimate subject for discussion on the talk page. I'd also advise you to watch your reverts, and @Rms125a@hotmail.com: be aware that Israel-Palstine articles are subject to a blanket 1RR (same as the Troubles); you've violated that this evening, but I'm going to assume you weren't aware and I'm not going to take any action. Just watch your reverts, please. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:54, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

I understand. Quis separabit? 20:57, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments, HJ Mitchell and you others. I agree "terrorist" can be used as this attack is correctly described as such but generalizing groups and peoples as such is a much more complex thing and "militants" is often used instead to adress those POV concerns.

I am aware of the restrictions but no one have violated them as far I can see. --IRISZOOM (talk) 21:17, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee/CheckUser and Oversight/2015 CUOS appointments

Please note the nominations have been posted, and there are standard questions to be answered. Members of the community may also ask questions, so please monitor your nomination(s) until the comment period is concluded on the 18th. Those who are running for both flags have two sections, and two copies of the standard questions -- the first two, at least, are likely to have different answers, so this isn't redundant. (The third one, well, it does.) Thanks for your willingness to serve. Courcelles (talk) 06:35, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Are you familiar with TheRedPenOfDoom?!?!

Are you familiar with the user: TheRedPenOfDoom? Because if you are I will let you know that he/she is being very unreasonable! I have been editing Michiel Huisman's wiki page for quite some time now, and he has been consistently removing info that I add. Everything that I add is completely legit and is sourced. But he/she is still removing and altering stuff. Like for example removing the fact that Michiel was cast opposite Blake Lively in The Age of Adaline, because he/she said that fact that he was going to be co-starring opposite Blake Lively had and I quote "nothing to do with him being named for the role". He/she has been deleting at least around 5 full sentences or more in the last like 3 days from that page. I have worked hard with that page, and when he/she is deleting the FACTS that I add I get mad and uppset. I know you are a admin, im not asking you to necessarily ban him/her but at least make him/her stop. Sebahed (talk) 18:14, 5 March 2015 (UTC)sebahed

@Sebahed and TheRedPenOfDoom: It sounds lie you two need to have a chat on the article's talk page. I'm not going to say one party is right and one is wrong, that's not my place, but the only way these things ever get resolved is through discussion. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:56, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

List of Premier League players with 100 or more goals

Extend PC time? --George Ho (talk) 18:42, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Yep, upgraded to indef. Thanks. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:58, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

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Is it appropriate to write a specific admin that wrote on my AE case?

Thanks, Ashtul (talk) 21:08, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

If there's something specific you need to ask them about, it shouldn't be a problem. But be careful that it's not seen as canvassing by asking them to take your 'side'. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:23, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje's wiki page

There is something wrong with Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje's wiki page where you can't see his template. Can you take a quick look? Sebahed (talk) 22:56, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

@Sebahed:: Nothing major, just a missing pair of brackets! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:01, 5 March 2015 (UTC)