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When I find that the conversations or issues discussed here have either ended or resolved, they will be inserted into my archives at my own discretion.—Ryūlóng

Hang in there

You just beat me to reverting that one. You are valued here, sysop buttons or none, whatever your detractors may say. You've contributed a lot of good work to the project, and you are appreciated. -GTBacchus 02:28, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:35, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Same here, I almost reverted it myself but I figured you could handle it. There's always people out there who are more willing to whine and criticize and take delight in tearing other people down, rather than actually doing anything themselves. Don't let them get you down. Dayewalker (talk) 02:38, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Cannabis Corpse

Howdy, I had just created an article about Cannabis Corpse under my user page, once I was preparing to change the article to a proper page on the Wiki I noticed you had been responsible for deleting the article twice before on the basis "doesn't indicate importance/significance". I was hoping you could tell me what gave the article this status and anything I could do to prove otherwise. Thanks -- _Mr\  23:54, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

The article we had on the band did not show that it would fit our notability guidelines for the biographies of musical artists. I cannot remember any specifics.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:35, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you kindly, sir :) -- _Mr\  14:46, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

official W

I'm not gonna add anything but Kamen Rider Double will make his official debut on June, 29. And it is said that Double will appear in Kamen Rider Decade and will make a cameo in Decade vs. DaiShocker. AlienX2009 (talk) 15:22, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Only your first sentence is confirmed.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 15:39, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Could Double be in the Kamen Rider Series article until June 29. AlienX2009 (talk) 14:39, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

No.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 15:17, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

From what I've heard, information regarding Double (or, W) will be revealed on June 26. And it was said that its instalment will start at the fall of 2009, right after Decade. --Burai (talk) 16:06, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I know what Double looks like, his body is like Double colors such as red and blue a video confirmed it. I know this may sound crazy but look at the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3xVwq9mrJY&feature=channel. If you look closely it matches the silhouette the round shoulders, the eyes and the horns it looks like silhouette. AlienX2009 (talk) 14:36, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Also his bike (I call it the Machine Zwei) looks like it was modeled by SILVER WING. And he is expected to have three forms Black/Red Form (his default form), Black/Green Form and the White/Red Form (possibly W's ultimate form.). but we won't know until Monday, June 29th. AlienX2009 (talk) 14:49, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I've seen the pictures too. The default form is going to be green and black, just like the bike, which will inevitably be called the Machine Doubler. Right now, this shit can't be on Misplaced Pages anyway. It's just some guy who found the filming and posted them to 2chan.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:00, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Unnecessary Decade stuff

I noticed that in the Undead article, someone defaced it with stuff relating to Decade. Mostly when the edits contained the appearances of the Buffalo, Capricorn and Elephant Undead in Blade's World which is already covered in the Characters list of Decade. I removed those edits just there and I have a feeling that these may appear in the articles of the Orphnoch, Worm, Makamou, etc. So could you please check these other articles for those edits?

Just like one time you were on the look out for Decade-related rubbish on articles on the Riders' articles and reverted them, like in Psyga's article for example. --Burai (talk) 16:14, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Gaorangers

Perhaps Gaorangers (team) might be better to disambiguate the team from the show? hbdragon88 (talk) 06:01, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

...and your legendary quick-trigger reply fingers strike again, lol. hbdragon88 (talk) 06:08, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, we'll have to think about it.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:14, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Question for you.

What is the template for asking a page to be deleted? Hell in a Bucket (talk) 16:53, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

What kind of page?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 16:59, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I found the templates but check it out and see if i'm on target. Hang Gao Observatory Hell in a Bucket (talk) 17:03, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

talk about speedy was allready deleted. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 17:06, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Ayacon page

Hi, why did you delete the Ayacon wikipedia page? It is the largest anime and manga convention in the United Kingdom and it has been run on several different years, gathering quite a history and a special place in the hearts of UK anime and manga fans. If you search for it on Misplaced Pages you will see that it is mentioned in four other articles and it has 46,300 hits on google. I think there should be an article on it, seeing as over a thousand people will attend this Summer's iteration of the festival and many people may be interested in the history of the convention. Certainly the reason you gave for deletion (technical deletion) seems unjust. Note that the "sister" convention of Ayacon, Amecon, still has a wiki page and it is certainly no less notable. 137.205.34.108 (talk) 10:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

There was nothing to support it being notable as a convention of any sort. Other conventions have more coverage. Amecon has that coverage. Ayacon did not.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 10:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Japan stubs

When tagging Japan-related articles as stubs, please use the list at Category talk:Japan stubs and tag the article with as specific a stub as possible. For example, the Yamanote article should be tagged with {{tokyo-geo-stub}} rather than {{japan-stub}}. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! ···日本穣 19:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I was trying to stick them in some sort of Japanese language stub, because it seems that Shitamachi and Yamanote are also words as well as geographic terms.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah, then you'd want {{ja-lang-stub}}, too. ···日本穣 05:47, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Kamen Rider W section

Its confirmed already, google kamen rider W- you might want to go to your magazine store in Japan and pick your up an issue of toku insider-they already confirmed his appearance in the next decade movie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.224.18.227 (talk) 04:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

None of this is officially confirmed by any reliable source. Dukemon can't read Japanese. And the only mention of Kamen Rider W (which is pronounced like Double and not Zwei) is that the copyright has been posted. Nothing more can or will be stated until the character actually appears.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I think its pronounced Daburu or something close to that, i've done some research myself and i found out that on the Japanese IPDL website-TOEI has already copyrighted Kamen Rider W and the magazine adverts are saying that his whole rider suit will be released in the fall. I'm not trying to insult you in anyway, i'm just saying that it won't hurt to put up just the name-it's been confirmed anyway.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.224.18.227 (talk) 04:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

The Japanese text for "Kamen Rider W/Daburu" is already on the article. It is just not in the format that you are putting it in. I am aware that it exists. Misplaced Pages simply cannot host the content that you are putting up, because Dukemon or that blog you added are not reliable sources. We have to use news articles from Japan (such as the magazines which we see as scans), the official websites (on which it has been shown that the W costume will debut at a live event for the 10th anniversary), or official materials.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Shitamachi and Yamanote

Hi. I am the one who wrote those "bad, bad, bad articles" you pruned so drastically and, in my view, without a justification. Why get rid of so much information? Had you just rewritten the thing keeping the info, I would have said nothing. As it is, I must hear your reasons before I revert. urashimataro (talk) 02:59, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The formatting was poor. There were no sources for anything. The sources you did have were from the Japanese Misplaced Pages and a dictionary. I have pruned them down into something that is encyclopedic and does not read like an essay question.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The content on both pages beyond the introductory paragraph were also identical, except for "Shitamachi" and "Yamanote" being switched.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:05, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

First of all the Kojien is not a mere dictionary. It's definitions are considered authoritative. Second, of course the two sections were identical: the two terms were born together, one as the opposite of the other, and they MUST be explained together, which is what I did, and you didn't. Since you don't really speak or read Japanese (I do) you should have been more prudent in correcting the translation of Yamanote. In this case, "te" means direction, not hand, so in case it should have been "direction of the mountain". In any event my translation came directly from the Kojien, that is, one of the most authoritative sources around. I will rework on the part you deleted to address at least part of your objections, and if you re-revert I will seek arbitration.-urashimataro (talk) 03:21, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I apologize for my mistranslation. And they can be explained together by referring to the other in text with a link to the other article (as I do in the last sentence of my reformatting). I will only try to edit the articles such that they are in

1. An encyclopedic tone and
2. In the standard form of other articles on the English Misplaced Pages

You must understand you have no authoritative rights over these articles, and seeking arbitration over a trivial manner such as this will be a fruitless endeavor.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:27, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid that this edit of yours is not correct. See the meaning of #11. It would be grateful if you could correct yourself. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 10:09, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

The koujien Japanese-Japanese dictionary has this to say about 山の手。(1) 山の近い方。やまて(which it defines as 山に接近している方)。(2) 高台の土地。These accord with with urashimataro's view (1) towards/near the mountain and (2) plateau. The koujien dictionary is an authoritative source. Trying to make sense of jukugo by considering the standalone meaning of kanji is not advisable. The discussion on the Yamanote talk page finds other editors in agreement with the koujien understanding of the meaning. VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 10:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I've stopped caring about the page. All I saw was poor formatting and improper tone, which I solved by removing everything. I also did not find anything in any of the dictionaries I use to say that 手 was anything other than hand or relating to hands.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 10:35, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad I got your interest in the page rejuvenated again. It's such a shame you feel the need to be so grumpy about it. It wouldn't have hurt for you to gracefully concede the point about your mistranslation (if your user page is correct, your Japanese is at beginner level, so a bit of humility would be appropriate), instead of sounding offended by another editor, in good faith, pointing out your error.

I also very much disagree with the decision and manner in which you deleted instead of improved the content of the yamanote page. I see from your talk page it's only a month ago you were de-sysoped, partly because of your manner in dealing with content disputes. It might behove you to be a little more polite. Given your budding interest in Japan, you might want to cultivate a less confrontational persona. VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 15:37, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Once again, the correct response to "breezy, unencyclopedic, and poorly formatted content" to tighten up, source and reformat the content, not delete it wholesale.

As an aside, and I mean this in the nicest possible way, I would encourage you to take a nice, long Wikibreak. Getting desysopped should have been a loud alarm bell that you need to reconsider the way you work on Misplaced Pages, but both in the previous ou-in-Seoul romanization debate and now Talk:Yamanote you still seem to get extremely defensive about your understanding of the Japanese language and take others' corrections very personally. There's no need to do this: nobody is attacking you personally, and despite our differing views at times, we're all out here to improve Misplaced Pages. Jpatokal (talk) 01:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me, but the correct response to "breezy, unencyclopedic, and poorly formatted content" is to reformat it in any way to make it inline with the encyclopedia. I felt that there was no way to write it in a neutral encyclopedic tone, nor did it have anything to do with the individual articles themselves. Your reverts of my edits undo all of my edits are getting really bothersome and inserting the same problematic content as before. I expect this discussion to take place at Talk:Yamanote and have NOTHING to do with my arbitration case which had NOTHING to do with what's going on with these articles or the ou in "Soul" and not "Seoul" discussion at the MOS talk page.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:03, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Mini Den-O

Why? There is nothing wrong with the Mini Den-O page. Every thing I work so hard on gets Deleted? AlienX2009 (talk) 00:47, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Mini Den-O is a movie-only Rider who only appeared in one scene in the movie. He is not like Gaoh who appeared in the TV series or Nega Den-O who appeared in a special side story. He is in the same group as Yu-ki, Goldra, Silvra, Rey, Arc, etc. He is not notable oustide of the movie. Your pages keep getting deleted because you do not know the rules of Misplaced Pages.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:52, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, at least make the thread like Movie Original Rider or something like that. And if Nega Den-O gets a page why doesn't Goldra and Silvra. I think instead of making threads we should make new articles. AlienX2009 (talk) 00:55, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Goldra and Silvra only appeared in the 4th movie (except Silvra who appeared for twenty seconds in the TV show). Nega Den-O, as his article states, appeared in the S.I.C Hero Saga story in the Hobby Japan magazines for the entirety of the year. Mini Den-O, Goldra, and Silvra have enough coverage on the English Misplaced Pages because the content we have are all we know about them.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:58, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

K-Touch

Part 1

Covers "Final Kamen Ride, Decade!" to "Faiz, Kamen Ride, Blaster!" Fractyl (talk) 14:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I still don't think we should put it in the article until we have textual sources, though.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 14:17, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

We should not always rely on textual sources when we are presented with the actual proof. But we should use textual sources in some cases when we have no visual source at the time.Fractyl (talk) 15:44, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Um, yes we should always rely on textual sources. Those are irrefutable. Interpretations of "actual proof" are not.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:13, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Suicide question

Hi. I think you are wrong to apply WP:DENY to the situation, certainly to my posting and probably to the original question too. WP:DENY seems to be about not giving vandals recognition, nothing to do with cries for help (and it seems very certain that the originakl question was probably not a cry for help anyway). Frank Bruno's Laugh (talk) 12:31, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

We still ignore it.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 12:34, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Fine, ignore it, but why are you treating my post to WP:ANI as if it is vandalism. Do you think that your comments to me are appropriate, given that I just raised a concern about the original post. Curtly telling people to drop it, telling them to get a clue, accusing them of trolling is very confrontational and seems to verge on trolling itself. Frank Bruno's Laugh (talk) 12:42, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

This has been dealt with. It is not the right thing to continue to bring attention to the post. Both have been removed. Myself and Jehochman have removed the comment. Move on, and contribute to articles.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 12:45, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Again, do you consider that an appropriate way to speak to me, like I am a naughty child? It could have been removed with a quick post to my talk page saying you were concerned that even my post would provide recognition. I would urge you to re-read your comments to me, and ask yourself if you would like to be spoken to like that when you were only trying to help. Frank Bruno's Laugh (talk) 12:49, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

There is no one to help. Misplaced Pages is not a therapist. Find a page to improve.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 12:51, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Why do you insist on addressing me by giving me instructions? Are you just trying to annoy me? I asked you whether you considered it an appropriate way to address me. Do you have an answer to that question? Frank Bruno's Laugh (talk) 13:09, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I've told you everything. We do not do anything. I'm telling you to do something because it is the right thing to do. I do not wish to answer your question. Now instead of just answering and asking questions at the reference desks, go edit an article. Any further comments from you on my talk page will be removed without comment.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 13:12, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

RE:Your signature

Thank you, it works! :)B@xter 10:10, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

You know what might also work? Adding a hyphen or line before your signature code so it isn't flush up against the rest of your text.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 10:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

3rr on Yamanote

I suppose you've enough experience this isn't necessary, but since sometimes things get heated, I thought I'd give a friendly reminder that you have used your three reverts for the day. Frankly, I don't see why you insist your version stay while discussion is ongoing. Let's see how things play out first. --C S (talk) 02:36, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

The discussion started after I had changed the page. And now I have to incorporate my initial changes to improve the formatting to the poorly formatted and poorly written original version. Thank you for that.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:37, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, I understand that discussion started after your first edits, but discussion has been going on for a couple days, so your last reverts are after the discussion started. In any case, how about letting the discussion conclude first? I can see you have good intentions and some points to make, but for example, the comments regarding usage and connotation seem useful, and I don't see why they need to be removed. (further comments about article contents should go on article talk page, and I also watch this, so no need to message me on my talk) --C S (talk) 02:46, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

The revert to undo everything I had done to improve the page was done without any sort of discussion in the first place. But I've acquiesced and reformatted the old content to fix the formatting and include the new content.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:13, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

MediaWiki edits

Cancel link? Isn't controlled through MediaWiki:Cancel? Anyway there have been some changes to the software which is what triggered my edit that can have had no effect on the Cancel link.Geni 13:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I didn't know what caused it. I just saw you (and OverlordQ and Hunter) edited MW pages this morning and I didn't know what happened with it.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 13:14, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah, MediaWiki:Cancel no longer exists locally, so the problem likely lies at the MediaWiki parent. Where do such transcluded files lie? — Huntster (t • @ • c) 13:19, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Was getting ready to ask which cancel link, but now I see it. Yea, a lot of interface messages have changed behavior, few bugs open Q 13:38, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

This has been fixed in SVN, hopefully be scapped here in a bit. Q 13:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

That's good.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 13:53, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: MediaWiki edits

Interesting, I see that now. As far as I can tell, MediaWiki:Summary shouldn't have any impact on that particular problem, but given the recent server issues, there's no telling. Perhaps rv the last two changes and see if it works? I'll leave that to your discretion. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 13:14, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

D: But I cannot.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 13:18, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Lol, I wasn't thinking. Irrelevant now, though. See above. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 13:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

So it's time to yell at Meta/MediaWiki/Bugzilla.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 13:26, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, Bugzilla is probably the most appropriate place. Considering it doesn't even exist here, I don't know where else to track it to. May even be part of the software now, rather than a local MediaWiki customisable thing. I have never really dealt with Bugzilla before, so if you are clueful in that regard, I would ask you to file (or see if it has already been filed). Not to mention, I'm so tired, I probably couldn't wade through it :P If not, I'll try to attempt reporting it when I wake up. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 13:40, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Yamanote shitamachi

Hi, Ryulong. Why did you revert ? I think the caption is not correct. Do you think correct? For example, headman of Sumida ward say appreciative statement about donation from Sumida ward citizens. The statement tile is I appreciate of shitamachi mind(下町の心意気に感謝します).Sumida ward gazette Feb 1,2007(Sumida ward official web site) So Sumida ward is shitamachi. The caption is not correct.--Bukubku (talk) 14:12, 15 June 2009 (UTC)