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This article should not be in "wikiproject faschism", it should be in -if there exist- "wikiproject nationalism"... Because, all graywolves MUST PROMISE to defend the fronts AGAINST THE FASCHIST STRUGGLES before being a gray wolf. How can someone add an anti-fa to wiki faschist project?

Neutrality

This article lacks neutrality in almost everyway. And most of the information is inacccurate. There are too much baseless accusations (some of them are very insulting)about said person. Language is very disrespectful and offensive. Noone dead or alive deserves such treatment. Even articles about known terrorists like Abdullah Öcalan is much more respectful and neutral than this article.

Isatay 06:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

The Modern Cosmopolitan, Multi-Ethnic Turkish State

Öcalan is not a terrorist: he is someone who has fought for the democratic rights of his ethnic group: the Turkish state made a terrorist of him and other Kurds (and martyrs!) by denying them civil rights,freedom of expression and education in their own language. Your POV stems from what are clearly fairly extreme right-wing opinions, and you appear to be an apologist for the extreme fascist and racist views held by Türkeş, someone who was, in reality, on a par with the Serbian war-criminal, Vojislav Šešelj, currently awaiting trial in the Netherlands.

You ought to re-read the history of your country form 4000 BCE onwards: you will readily see that a host of different 'races'- Hattians, Hittites, Armenians, Greeks, North-west Caucasians, etc., have contributed to the present population of your country (in the devşirme of the the Ottoman period not a few from Balkan Christian countries also.) The actual proportion of Turkish Turks who settled in Turkey was relatively small. Many countries, at least in the West are very diverse and cosmopolitan in their 'ethnic' make-up. This illustrates why the racist tone of your comment is unbalanced and out of place in a modern context: you see everything in black and white, not at all in the many shades of grey.

Misguided views like yours have led to many outrages in Turkey. In the past few days we have witnessed the political assassination of the Turkish Armenian newspaper editor, Hrant Dink. Yet Turks wonder why EU member states are so very wary of admitting Turkey into the European Union. When Turkey can clearly demonstrate that all of its citizens are equal before the law, in what is in reality a multi-ethnic state, have genuine freedom of speech and enjoy full democratic and civic rights (which includes, incidentally, the right to criticize the actions of the present and past governments of Turkey, as well as individual public figures), we in Western Europe will welcome all Turks warmly as full members of our community of nations. 86.141.217.57 17:52, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

WP:SOAPBOX, and see also Article 301, which you might be referring to. deniz_C 10:17, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Your claim is absurd, you are telling nonsense. The Turks came to Anatolia in several waves, the immigration of Turks to Anatolia started in 1044 and continued till 1800. The first large wave started right after the battle of Manzikert were hundreds of thousands of Turks came. They came as tribes mostly from eastern Iran. Later many more waves of Turks followed after the Mongols invaded central-asia and Iran, millions of Turks that ran from the mongols settled in Anatolia, Iran and northern-Iraq. The founders of the Ottoman empire came with this wave. Orrin_73 18:54, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

basbug does not mean fuhrer! basbug is a proturkic word that means leader.

what do you think führer means? deniz_C 10:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Führer comes from German word führen. The exact mean of führen is leading. And the translation of "führer" in to Turkish, is "önder". Also the word Başbuğ, used by Enver Paşa(he died before Hitler's reigm). Ruzgar 18:06, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Trivia Section

Trivia sections aren't proper encyclopedic content.

Also, a trivia section with a single piece of trivia, *related to a video game rather than the subject at hand*, is particularly non-encyclopedic.

It's gone. --24.5.70.65 00:09, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Sources

Need sources as to how Nihal Atsız espoused racist views. Atabəy (talk) 23:49, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

A People without a country, p85.

From 1965 onwards, Colonel Alparslan Turkes began to weld this tendency into an orgamized legal political party. Although he was well known for his fascist sympathies and had even been court-martialled in 1946 for "fascist and racist activities," Turkes was allowed to continue his career in the army."

The New geopolitics of Central Asia and its borderlands, p196.

Ecevit was prime minister in 1974 when Turkey intervened militarily in Cyprus. He has also been one of Turkes' principal critics, and often denounced him for his 'racist' views during the ideologically polarized party politics of the late 1970s.

Tormented by history, p.138.

Twenty three of them, among them Nihal Atsiz, Reha Oguz Turkkan and a young army captain by the name of Alparslan Turkes, who was later to leave his indelible mark on Turkish politics, were accused of engaging in a plot to overthrow the government in order to form a state based on racist and Turanist principles.

Do you not have access to these sources?? Is your employer blocking your searches?? --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:27, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Kansas Bear, please, follow Monte Melkonyan and ASALA pages. In both of them, calling terrorist as a terrorist is somehow considered WP:WEASEL or WP:POV, perhaps because they simply killed Turks. So clearly, the relentless attempts to claim Alparslan Türkeş, who by the way did not kill people unlike the two above, as neo-fascist (POV political interpretation) seems to have the only reason - that he was a Turk. Especially so, following your relentless attempts to discount Pan-Iranism-Nazi connection, despite multitude of references and the fact of deposition of Reza Shah for his fascination with Hitler, while being so assertive on Alparslan Türkeş is also a clear POV. So please, follow WP:NPOV, show us how the dichotomy of your opinions is NOT based on anything other than Turcophobia, and always WP:AGF. Thanks. Atabəy (talk) 04:42, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Relentless? I made one comment on your inability to find sources concerning Alparslan Turkes' racist views, which according to sources listed above resulted in a court martial. Your "multitude" of references, last I checked was one, AND when using the same google book search you used and having the "Limited preview/Full view" setting, you find Pan-Iranism used in the same context as Pan-Turkism(twice by Bernard Lewis). Odd how you don't use those sources!! So why don't you continue to lecture me on bias. LMAO!! I believe the dichotomy is yours. Whereas, I'm not getting paid to edit wikipedia.

As for ASALA, check Hamas, Hezbollah, and al-Qaeda for the use of the word terrorist.

Turcophobia?? LMAO!! So explain this "phobia of Turks"; from the pictures I've seen, they could be walking down the street in Kansas and would look like everyone else??!! I don't understand this racist delusion of yours, but my family is multi-ethnic, Hispanic, Asian, Black, and we even married some Irish!! So instead of launching into your pathetically weak nationalistic rant of "racism", you might take the time to notice I DID NOT edit into the article Alparslan's racist views or add said references to the article either!! Odd how you are free to label editors on wikipedia as racists but anyone of Turkish ancestry is "above" reproach?? Talk about a dichotomy!!

Odd that the typical nationalists use the same sad tactic every time I find sources concerning their "race".,,. --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:39, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Kansas Bear, again, please follow WP:AGF. There is no need for emotional responses in the form I don't understand this racist delusion of yours and your pathetically weak nationalistic rant, and the background of your family is irrelevant to this discussion. You have been warned for the last time to be more polite in future. The fact is that endorsing the removal of numerous sources on Nazi-Pan-Iranist connection in Pan-Iranism article, while reasserting that Alparslan Türkeş was neo-fascist simply because he was a pan-Turkist, is quite questionable in terms of neutrality and seems to be definitively Turcophobic. Turkism in this case does not imply race but cultural and linguistic heritage. Atabəy (talk) 22:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

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