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  • Russia-Ukraine gas dispute: Countries across Europe report reductions in gas supplies after Russia disconnected supplies to Ukraine yesterday. Russia accuses Ukraine of stealing 100 million cubic metres of gas yesterday from pipelines transiting the country; Ukraine denies this but has previously claimed the right to 15% of the gas as a transit toll. Hungary reports supplies are down by 40%, France and Italy by 30%, and Poland by 14%. Germany, Russia's principal customer, also reports reductions. Russian supplier Gazprom says that it will increase supplies and return them to normal by Tuesday night. (Sky News) 2 January 2006 (Monday)

Query about a Count Pahlen (governor of Wallachia and Moldavia)

Hi everyone. I am currently involved in gathering info about an article on Russian administration in Wallachia and Moldavia (1828-1854). Romanian sources are quite casual in mentioning early Russian administrators, and I need to find out the full name (with ot without patronymic) of a certain Count Pahlen, a diplomat and concillor to the Czar, who served as governor of the two countries in between 1828 and February 1829. He is only mentioned by family name in the texts I am dealing with, and enwiki only has an article on his famous ancestor (father?). If you can help, please drop a note on my talk page. Many thanks. Dahn 17:01, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

  • I think this was Count Fyodor (or Fedor) Petrovich Pahlen (Федор Петрович Пален) (02.09.1780 - 08.01.1863), son of Petr Alekseevich Pahlen. According to http://www.genealogia.ee/genealogy-diplomat.htm Пален фон дер, Федор Петрович (Митава 02.09.1780 — Петербург 08.01.1863) — барон, граф (1798 г.), действительный тайный советник, член Государственного Совета, Новороссийский генерал-губернатор. Посвятил себя дипломатической карьере. При Российских посольствах в Стокгольме, Париже и Лондоне граф Пален подготовил себя к дипломатической работе. Затем был посланником в Вашингтоне (1809 — 1811 гг.), в Рио-де-Жанейро (1811-1815 гг.) и в Мюнхене (1815 — 1822 гг.). Сын графа Петра Андреевича Палена. I believe Moldavia and Wallachia were parts of the Novorossia Gubernia there the guy was the governor. abakharev 00:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Russian Misplaced Pages

Я думаю все из вас знают что есть так же . Всё бы хорошо, да вот только многие статьи там очень маленькие и де факто стабы. У меня призыв ко всем. Мог бы каждый из вас когда пишет новую статью для английской википедии, так же делать русскую версию...? Elk Salmon 17:06, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

reply to Ghirlandajo. я не говорю о том, что всё должны дружно сесть и начать переводить всё статьи которые есть о россии и вообще в русскую википедию. я имею ввиду, что если кто-то делает новую статью для английской вики, то почему бы не сделать и русскую версию. всё же для родной страны тоже работать надо. ведь большинство народа в россии не знает английского... Elk Salmon 17:15, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Dear colleagues, the verifiability principle in the Russian part of the Wiki is at risk. If you are active in the Russian Wiki, take a look at ru:Википедия:Голосования/Проверяемость and make your choice. The voting ends on August 29, 23:59 (UTC).
Коллеги, принцип проверяемости в русскоязычной части Википедии под угорозой. Если вы принимаете участие в редактировании русскоязычной части Википедии, обратите, пожалуйста, внимание на страницу ru:Википедия:Голосования/Проверяемость и проголосуйте. Голосование заканчивается 29 августа в 23:59 (UTC). Alexei Kouprianov 17:34, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Missing category about Russia

I stumbled upon the article about the film The Battle of Russia and found that there is no category to put it in. What do you think about the introduction something like Category:Depictions of Russia, Category:Works about Russia, Category:Works of art of Russia? Any better ideas? `'mikka (t) 05:47, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Russian Winter

After some edit warring, it has been suggested that Russian Winter should be merged with Military history of the Soviet Union. Please comment on Talk:Russian Winter. --Ghirla 08:44, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Siege of Saragossa (1809)

Some guy persistantly likens the Spanish siege to Battle of Stalingrad. I suggested the comparison with Battle of Borodino or Siege of Sevastopol (1854) might be more appropriate but he reverts. Comments required. --Ghirla 11:19, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

People's Artists of Russia/People's Artists of the RSFSR

We have Category:People's Artists of Russia and Category:People's Artists of the RSFSR can we somehow merge them? abakharev 23:09, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Let's merge Category:People's Artists of the RSFSR into Category:People's Artists of Russia and post the former cat for deletion. --Ghirla 06:21, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Make sure that PA of RSFSR is automatically converted to PA of R. `'mikka (t) 07:22, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
AFAIC, the title is the same in all but the name of the country. --Ghirla 07:33, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Merge is done abakharev 08:13, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. --Ghirla 11:19, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Winter War: Outcome?

There is a discussion on Talk:Winter War as to what was the outcome of that conflict. The article is routinely subjected to POV attacks such as the following additions: "Sentimental Finnish veterans frequently boast that for every one Finnish soldier who died, ten Soviets lost their lives in the Winter War" or "As a result of both arrogance and incompetence, the Soviets also failed to achieve a decisive superiority at the start of the war" (instead of "The Soviets failed to take advantage of their numerical superiority at the start of the war"). Please add the article to your watchlist. --Ghirla 11:19, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


Russian girl scouts

Please voice your opinion about an unusual and IMO ridiculous insistence on the transliterated article title Rossiskaya Assotsiatsia Devochek-Skautov instead of normal translation Russian Association of Girl Scouts. I am not even mentioning that the transliteraiton is with typo and altogether nonstandard. `'mikka (t) 23:43, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

List of Colonial Territories by country

I just spotted this list and don't know what to make of it. It lists among Russian colonies, past and present, such territories as Belarus, Romania, Vienna, Vladivostok, Kuril Islands, Sakhalin, Amur, Kaliningrad, etc, etc. Do you think it's all right? --Ghirla 13:51, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Move at Talk:Sambia

May be of interest to you.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:07, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Edit war on Vorkuta

An edit war has erupted over Vorkuta. It has now resulted in the locking of the page from editing. Please discuss the issues at Talk:Vorkuta. -- Petri Krohn 08:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

How to categorize Battle of Konigsberg and Battle of Budapest?

Today, I looked into Category:Soviet-German War... Gosh! Most articles here have major categorization problems. We have Category:Battles of Russia and Category:Battles of the Soviet Union but it is impossible to descend from them to most battle articles in that Category:Soviet-German War. Should we start something like Category:Battles of the Soviet-German War? --Ghirla 13:58, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

To complicate matters, Category:Red Army Operations during World War II already exists but it is underpopulated. And what about Wehrmacht operation? I can't make anything out of this. --Ghirla 14:01, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

The scope of Category:Russian people

Please join the discussion at Category talk:Russian people about whether the category should include ethnic Russians and Soviet people. Conscious 04:36, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Pd-Soviet tag

Oops, I somehow missed this. Well done KK! -- Grafikm 20:44, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
If he continues, I will start spreading the word to ru-wiki. People we need to work together to crush this parasite. Spread the word to all ex-USSR wikipedias and portals. He upset a mountain, now he'll get an avalanche. --Kuban Cossack 20:48, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
BTw, don't we need reverting MediaWiki:Licenses too??? -- Grafikm 20:50, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
That was a clear abuse of admin power - WP:RFC/ADMIN I see no alternative. Someone draft it. --Kuban Cossack 20:57, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Support. Anyone else thinks so (I hope :)? -- Grafikm 21:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
more in Category:Pre-1973_Soviet_Union_images Elk Salmon 21:53, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I have reverted the commons template itself, absoloutely everybody there is finding the suggesting ludicrous. --Kuban Cossack 23:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Потому что этот Лупо ***** и *****... (ну всем понятно в общем, да? :) -- Grafikm 23:14, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Everyone please have a look here and support us in our defence against this silly copyright nonsense. -- Grafikm 23:14, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep an eye out for vandalism to these two templates, top is commons, bottom is enwiki. Revert immediately--Kuban Cossack 23:55, 12 May 2006 (UTC) Template:PD-SovietTemplate:PD-USSR.

Guys, I would stongly suggest that you stop personalizing this. Calling other editors nasty words such as "nazi" or "parasite" is a flagrant violation of WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL. Lupo 08:22, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

And twice neglect of our existance is NOT and a violation? And abuse of admin privliges? --Kuban Cossack 12:09, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

In the meantime, can an admin revert this, please? -- Grafikm 12:14, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I have started it Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Lupo. --Kuban Cossack 12:23, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Statement part complete. Any user that still want the Easter Europe part of Misplaced Pages to live is wellcome to comment!!! -- Grafikm 13:02, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
я вообщем новенький во всех этих делах внутренних. подскажите что там надо сделать? просто подписаться где остальные подписались? Elk Salmon 15:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Ага. -- Grafikm 15:29, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Так чего у нас с лупо этим? . Он уже собирается полностью советские фото, которые моложе 70 лет... Elk Salmon 00:39, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Dear colleagues, I strongly recommend you to avoid comments in Russian. This is not ru.wikipedia, and the conversations should be conducted in English. It is just a brief comment about the form of the debate. As for the subject matter, the copyright law (whatever we may think of it) is (1) a tricky thing (2) a thing to be observed, and the issues raised by User:Lupo should be considered and made a subject of an intense research. Alexei Kouprianov 08:00, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Is it really matter? I was refereing directly to some people, who know Russian. Is it forbidden? It's Russian portal finally and it's not an article, but just discussion... Теперь вернусь на Русский, ибо не всё могу перевести. Я глянул ру.вики. Там есть тот же таг . Так вот насколько то важно, что советский закон не имел обратной силы? Elk Salmon 13:15, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
It does. Because this is an English speaking community and this is impolite to speak here a language which can be not understood by some of the parties interested in the debate. After all, this looks like a Russian conspiracy plot, which does not make things better.
As for the template, the question is not whether the copyright law is retroactive (because it always is) but whether the images and texts published in Russia before 1973 can be considered as being in the public domain worldwide, especially in the USA, where the Misplaced Pages servers are physically present. After all, it will be not us, editors, but the Wikimedia foundation, who will be sued for copyright violations. This is not a matter of our national pride (which produces a lot of bias around this topic), this is a subject matter of a much needed research to be done. Personally, I do not have enough information to prove or disprove the Lupo's point. So, definitely, more research is needed. I've fonud this table most useful, but it rather poses questions than answers them. Alexei Kouprianov 17:21, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Take a look at template. Slowly they started attak on pictures that are under this license. At begin somebody updated it demanding to stop uploading pictures. Elk Salmon 08:15, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Russian Ground Forces

Russian Ground Forces is listed at Requests for Expansion, so please expand. KNewman 07:38, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Categorisation by User:Jcaragonv

Please have a look at User:Jcaragonv, who has created a bunch of categories like Category:Greek-Russians, Category:Polish Russians, Category:Belarusian Russians, Category:German Russians or Category:French-Russians, and appears to be populating them more or less randomly. --Nikai 21:44, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Mayakovskoye

I tried my best to get some Nazi sting out of this. Problem: most of what I find in Google was indeed right wing German stuff - which did contain interesting points, however (like how the Red Army was only there for four hours, and a refugee convoy was nearby). Could anyone who is better at Russian and knows or finds some extra Russian material, please contribute? Oh, and is there anyone here who knows Esperanto - I do not know that lingo, but just looking at the names and figures is enough to tell you that it may not be Nazified, but needs some update to conform to what most modern German (!) commentators think. I can deal with the Dutch version. Ogromnoe spasibo! User:Pan_Gerwazy--pgp 16:18, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


Prostitution in Russia

I made some initial cleanup of the stupid article "Tochka" (most probably written basing on a paparazzi article) and moved it to a proper title. Does anyone else want to do something there? `'mikka (t) 21:45, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Yerofey Khabarov

Someone with an interest in Siberian history, please check into the whereabouts of Yerofey Khabarov in the late 1650s, and to any mention in Russian records of a conflict with Qing/Joseon forces in 1659. Thanks! -- Visviva 01:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

NKVD massacres of prisoners

Статью хотят удалить. Предлагаю спасти её, улучшив. Заодно перейти от однобокого упоминания расстрелов польских военнопленных к полной выборке массовых расстрелов (гаранинские расстрелы и т. д.). MaxSem 09:48, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

English language is official here. Really. //Halibutt 22:31, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Translation. They want to delete the article. I propose to save it by improving. Since we are here lets move from the one sided mentions of the executions of Polish POW to the whole history of the mass executions (e.g. Garanin's executions). MaxSem Translated (and supported) by abakharev 23:20, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
TINC. Really. ;) MaxSem 14:11, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Nyah, you got me wrong. Out of all the people out there sniffing conspiracies everywhere I'm probably among the very few who actually speak Russian ;) //Halibutt 23:38, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
BTW, currently the article mentions three places in the USSR, but there were probably more. The article could surely benefit from some more Russian editors dropping in and adding more places to the list. (tell me I'm not going to regret this...) //Halibutt 15:12, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Mayakovskoye again

Well, one anonymous contributor branded the text as nationalist Polish and Russian propaganda. And Philp Baird Shearer User_talk:Philip_Baird_Shearer#References is not helping with his reference problem. If anyone wants to help: please no Polish-Russian wars.User_talk:Pan_Gerwazy--pgp 20:04, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


Russian names in other languages. Strange evolution. Or not?

Just noticed when having a look at "my" Dutch version of Maya Plisetskaya that someone made a Polish stub "Maja Plisecka". No problem with "c", but the "ka" instead of "kaya" does not look to me like mere transliteration. Of course, it is the Polish Misplaced Pages - so Russian (or English or Dutch) speakers have nothing to do with that - but some people may want to take note of this strange phenomenon. ]

There is more - after I and Kuban Kazak changed Ludmilla Tourischeva (note the two "ll"s in Ludmilla) into Lyudmila Turishcheva, it was changed back in two stages. The point is of course that many googles give Turischeva, and so split the "u" vote ( there are slightly fewer googles for Turischeva than for Tourischeva). Note by the way ] that "Turishcheva" was even deleted from the list of alternative names in the article! And of course, I noticed that someone already changed the reference to her in the Grozny article...

And then there is ], who is called Winokurov in the German Misplaced Pages (correct transliteration) and Vinokoerov in Dutch Misplaced Pages (correct transliteration). Even the Polish version seems OK. But in the English one he is called Vinokourov. Next step "Vinocourov", perhaps? I am not really a party to this, but I cannot help noticing that Vinokurov redirects to ... ]User_talk:Pan_Gerwazy

Avvakum

In connection with this edit, I need a third opinion on whether Avvakum was executed for heresy or not. It seems to me that he was burnt exactly for that, irrelevant of our current ideas of whether he was a heretic or not. Please voice your opinions on Talk:Avvakum. --Ghirla 16:20, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Finnish toponyms

Historical nomenclature again... I don't think we have to write "Königsberg (Kaliningrad)" in Misplaced Pages, as long as we have redirects here. The Finnish editors think otherwise. They insist that the Swedish names of Finnish towns (e.g., Helsingfors) should be accompanied by their modern Finnish versions (e.g., Helsiniki), even in historic contexts, such as Russo-Swedish War, 1741-1743. This attitude has led to an outbreak of revert warring. Please voice your opinions on Talk:Finnish War. --Ghirla 17:28, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Chechnya

Someone added a pargraph about Samashki to this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Chechnya&diff=next&oldid=55467156 Problems: Samashki never had anything like 65,000 inhabitants. It is a village and had 15,000 inhabitants at the time (that I found in another source). The source of "Neutralaccounting" called it a town, Neutralaccounting switched it to a city... The date given in Misplaced Pages is also wrong (which is rather annoying as now the source is saying in Februari 1996 what "happened" in April 1996). I could change that myself, but I notice that because the guy does not even want to refer to the Russian version of the shooting of the elders, his text suggests that the Russian soldiers killed the elders at close range while they were approaching the troops - which is not "exactly" what Memorial and Kovalyov said really happened: "according to reports by village elders and by the Samashki village mullah, on April 7, when a group of elders, together with the mullah (eight people in all), returned to the village after negotiations with the Russian command, the two cars they were riding in were shot at by small arms fire. While there were bullet holes in the cars, fortunately no one was injured, with the exception of elder Ajalil Salikhov, whose finger was slightly wounded. The shots were fired from Russian troop positions." ] So what to do - I am afraid that if I simply delete, all hell will break loose.User_talk:Pan_Gerwazy--pgp 02:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Whoever looked at it in the past five days, probably noticed that Samashki is gone from the Chechnya article. Kocoum deleted the entire passage - I suppose he thought the info in the the Checnya article was redundant with the info in the articles on the 1st and 2nd Chechen War - Samashki is in the 1st War article without Neutralaccounting's story. I will now have to watch whether someone puts that story there. It does mean that my remark on the Chechnya talk page is now superfluous. By the way, I noticed that Kocoum also deleted the reference to the violent takeover by Dudaev and the fenestration of Vitali Kutsenko. I am not relly sure that that should disappear - actually the passage was a mess, because it did not mention that all this (even Yandarbiev proclaiming jihad) happened while there was still a Soviet Union... Well, you have to look in Google's cache to find all that. ]

User_talk:Pan_Gerwazy--pgp 15:14, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


I am trying to copy edit The Second Chechan War. I need some ideas on how to pare it down and tighten it up. I realize that this is an ongoing war, but the points get lost in all that detail. Is there someone who can help me out on this? KarenAnn 23:36, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

WWII casualties

I was reading VOV article and noticed a figure of total losses in Eastern Front as 25-30mln. As far as i remember estimated Soviet losses lays between 27 and 44 mln. So does it mean, that this figure does not include nazi civilian and millitary losses from USSR? Or does this figure is only millitary losses on both sides? Elk Salmon 11:47, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

History of Russian culture

History of Russian culture pomatrosili i brosili. Neglected completely. `'mikka (t) 05:26, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


Leshchenko

This is new. I needed some time to elaborate on this (using Dutch and French material I have at home) and then to write an article on Serdce/Serdtse. Now believe it or not - User:Cmapm wants to change and move this to Leschenko. This looks like a repeat of the revert war over Lyudmila Turishcheva. I suppose it was nutty of me to reply on the talk page there. Nevertheless: anyone who thinks that name should be Ukrainized (instead of Frenchified)?

That the name of the singer should be Leshchenko in ENGLISH (whatever the name may be in French or German - my Dutch version wil say Pjotr Lesjtsjenko) is obvious to me. I note that before Cmarm intervened, IN TEMPORE NON SUSPECTO (as they say in law courts) there were two references in English Misplaced Pages to Pyotr Leschenko (i.e. Roma music and Alla Bayanova), six to Pyotr Leshchenko and none at all to Petr Leschenko, cmarm's proposal.

By the way, I notice that there is a Jolly Fellows article, which does not mention Serdce/Serdtse as yet. So - perhaps the question will arise soon: which version to use "scholarly" serdce or BGN/PCGN "serdtse"? It is not a family name. I would personally opt for "serdtse", however.

Anyone who will support me in a possible new revert war? User_talk:Pan_Gerwazy--pgp 08:57, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Moving frenzy

Apart from Dmitry of Suzdal affair, I noticed that Vyacheslav Ivanov was moved to Vyacheslav Ivanov (poet) and Stepan Apraksin was moved by Halibutt to Stepan Fedorovich Apraksin, for no apparent reason. Please share your thoughts weather the new names are appropriate (e.g., why Fedorovich not Fyodorovich)? --Ghirla 13:48, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Wait, what's our policy on patronymics in titles? - CrazyRussian talk/email 13:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I believe patronymics should be used to distinguish the guys with identical first names. What we need to decide is whether the spelling of ё is proper. --Ghirla 14:12, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I explained the reason at at least two talk pages, so the above comment by Ghirlandajo is quite misleading. While I believe patronymics are not always necessary (just like middle names in Western culture and first surnames in the Hispanic world), at times they come in handy in cases like this, where two guys (a father and a son, BTW) share the same name and surname. Stepan Fedorovich Apraksin and Stepan Stepanovich Apraksin seem a more natural choice than, say, Stepan Apraksin (1702-1758) and Stepan Apraksin (1747-1827). //Halibutt 12:42, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Novodevichy Cemetery

I just finished a major expansion of the Novodevichy Cemetery. I say we need a category for people buried there. Perhaps for other cemetries as well. Mhym 06:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


Category:Russian books

Category:Russian books. Please consider the useness of this category and how to populate it. Compare it with "sibling" categories. I think it is useful at least for for historical books. Modern books better be classified according to genres (novels, books in history, etc.) `'mikka (t) 23:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Jagello

Your history also had its continuous links with the ruler whose naming discussion has a new approval poll, to discuss the matter of how to name the article currently at Władysław II Jagiełło. Interested editors are invited to participate, at Talk:Władysław II Jagiełło. Shilkanni 20:27, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Carnildo and copyrights

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Geographical coordinates

It seems that placing the coors at the top of the page is now standard. See here, for example. I upgraded Red Square and St Basil's Cathedral but there are many other articles with coordinates in the text. We need volunteers to update the Russian articles to the new standard. --Ghirla 10:53, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Anti-tank dog

This article brings shame to the wikipedia there is a lot of speculation "tank-mounted flame-throwers to ward off the dogs"?, "forcing the retreat of an entire Soviet division"? - we all know what the NKVD did to deserters. I have been unable to find aby good English or Polish reference sources for this article. I have heard that the Anti-tank dogs were really a bluff since the concept was a total failure, but they were praised by soviet propaganda in order to fool the Axis and Western militaries into developing their own Anti-tank dogs and counter-Anti-tank dog tactics. Perhaps you could help? Mieciu K 18:46, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Russian templates vandalism

Some jealous non-Soviet and non-Russian speaking guys have deleted some very popular humorous template about political parties -- Template:User LDPR:Zhirinovsky. The template was used by quite a significant number of users (specifically, compared to other boring political templates all across the board), and being deleted for more than a month, it is still being linked from quite some user pages (9), where other political templates are linked by a very few number of people (usually no more than 5). Я не очень знаком со здешними правилами, пожалуйста, может кто-нибудь с этим разобраться? Я пока добавил данную статью в Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2006 July 1. Спасибо. MureninC 11:47, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

The reason given by the deleting admin in the deletion summary is that it failed T2 - which is "The template is redundant to another better-designed template". So maybe there is a newer version somewhere?--Konstable 12:04, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, I've created three templates back in the day: CPRF, LDPR and LDPR:Zhirinovsky. Zhirinovsky template, if I remember correctly, said "This user finds Vladimir Zhirinovsky quite entertaining". :) Obviously, this template was very popular, and still being deleted for about a month, it seems to be more popular than all other Russian political templates all together. Thanks for your explanation, I hope that this template could be restored soon. MureninC 22:55, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Jotuner's controversial edits of Moscow

Somebody, named Joturner just came to Moscow artcle and started editing it fully for his own. Additionally he started additing many ridiculous references and citation needed boxes. Like for fact that Napolenic army was stopped because of no food and cold or for about same for WWII. Also he protecting many references that going to bad online translators and to small known sites and newspapers, that making article looks like childish job, instead of good seriously look. Elk Salmon 16:44, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Dacha

User: Kurt Leyman

This guy, overjoyed at the absence of his shadow Deng, systematically changes "Nazi Germany" to Germany when referring to the Nazi occupation of Russia during WWII (example). He refuses to discuss the problem on talk and is eager for revert warring. Please intervene. --Ghirla 16:23, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Administrative terminology about Moscow city

There is a mismatch in terminology in ru:Административное деление Москвы and Administrative divisions of Moscow articles. in terms of choice of words "administrative/municipal" and "district/okrug/raion". Moskali, please make an order (in the whole category:Administrative divisions of Moscow). `'mikka (t)

  1. "Moskali" is a colloqual name for russians in Ukraine ("Hohland").
  2. Moscow citizans are "moskovites" (москвичи)
  3. What's wrong with Administrative divisions of Moscow? There are no direct match for "okrug" or "raion" in english (or too much of them)
--jno 07:17, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
mikka, it's not very good posting such low insults. moskali is very insulting word, and i'm sure you know it. Elk Salmon 21:27, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Related discussion

Hey, there is a discussion (and poll) going down at Talk:Georgia (country), as this is historically and geographically related, we'd appreciate your input. - FrancisTyers · 11:50, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Transliteration redux

Can't anybody work out precise rules of Russian transliteration at last? With current guidelines, every spelling is possible. Therefore guys move Yuri Dolgoruki to Yury Dolgoruky, back to Yuri Dolgoruki, then to Yuriy Dolgorukiy, etc, etc, which results in a redirect mess. The same situation with Yuri Luzhkov, which was moved to Yuriy Luzhkov and back again. Nixer constantly moves Moscow railway stations to and fro. Why can't we decide which spelling should be preferred in WP once and for all? --Ghirla 10:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

There is a GOST for it: Транслитерация ГОСТ 16876-71. One may chose ISO 9 - 1995. I'd notice that a GOST is a russian law. --jno 10:51, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I think we have to create our own policy since these two are slightly (and even not so slightly) outdated. And using a ž for ж bothers my conscience... :)) -- Grafikm 11:09, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
What's wrong with GOST? Cyrillic and latin alphabets have not changed much over that time. GOST doesn't use any diacritic and other odd chars. And zh for ж looks pretty fine for me. --jno 14:44, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
As for GOST, й transliterated jj is kinda weird too. Never seen anything like that personally... -- Grafikm 14:54, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Since nothing is transliterated as "j", that "jj" must be a misprint. "jo" for ë probably is too, since they have "yu" and "ya" elsewhere. Not sure, however. Are there any other sources for this norm?--Pan Gerwazy 15:06, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Obviously, this is well post-talk remark, but there are different problem domains, for which different standards may apply. Therefore, scientifical, bibliographical, cartographical etc., e.g., all-CIS GOST 7.79-2001 (verbatim ISO 9:1995) for bibliographicals, Belarusian Instruction on transliteration for cartography. Also there are such things as BGN/PCGN_romanization_of_Russian. BTW, I may be mistaken but GOST 16876-71 is possibly obsoleted, and superceded by (I don't remember what). ---Yury Tarasievich 14:12, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, I can't believe I missed this discussion. You folks surely are aware that WP:RUS is alive and kicking, and that's what we are supposed to use until something different emerges through WP:CYR? GOST was deemed to be a poor choice because it is unintuitive to English speakers (we are editing the English edition of Misplaced Pages here, remember?) and generally not common in English academic works and media. On the other hand, as Ghirla rightfully noted, WP:RUS is ambiguous in some cases, but isn't it a good enough reason for all those who care to kick catatonic WP:CYR in the butt and start participating, hopefully getting rid of ambiguities and inconsistencies once and for all? If we end up with using different conventions for different cases, as Yury suggested above and of which I thought more than on one occasion in the past, so be it, but let us at least define these cases, assign a transliteration convention to each, document the whole thing, and adopt it as a policy. I don't mind having to do all the work myself, but I really despise the thought of having to hunt uncaring Russian editors down one by one and then begging them to participate in the discussion and voting, so the final result could be called a "consensus" and not "stuff that crazy Ezhiki came up with and then passed it as a policy".—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:59, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

GOST 16876-71 was superceded by GOST 7.79-2001 (inter-CIS standard) in 2002. On the other hand, GOST 7.79 is the ISO 9:1995, verbatimly translated. System (or table) B of the GOST 7.79 is quite adequate, as it uses only ` ("weak stress sign") in-line at that, however, even this look of words may be quite unusual for all concerned. Does one have to learn the ISO 9/GOST 7.79 just to write or even read WP, eh? Of course, BGN is the best choice. All said, the ISO/GOST was created in order to facilitate univocal transliteration. And who would really really need it here in WP? ---Yury Tarasievich 07:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Beslan victim list

If somebody will help transliterate the names of the victims, killed and survivors, of the Beslan massacre, we'll make a sub-page like there are for the terror attacks 9/11 (New York) and 7/7 (London). I know it's a big work, but there's something about putting on names and ages that will help to make it more real and not just another statistics. The names are here: http://www.beslan.ru/mainlist.html

7/7 list: 9/11 list: Rune X2 13:01, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Casulties_of_the_Beslan_school_hostage_crisis Rune X2 11:59, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Help

Hello. Can someone please transliterate list of places listed at Lovozero Tundras. Thank you. - Darwinek 13:06, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

done --jno 11:54, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much ;) - Darwinek 16:45, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Hero City template

Should we create a template listing the Hero Cities? --Ghirla 12:04, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Why not? It'd be a useful one.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:02, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Then go ahead (I don't edit Soviet topics). --Ghirla 15:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Crap, how is it always that I make an innocent comment and end up with more work? :) No problem, though; I'll take care of it.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Help. Copyright of the Beslan video

The terrorists of the Beslan school massacre, recorded a video of their exploits. I have taken a screenshot therefrom and uploaded to wikipedia:commons. Now I get trouble by people saying its a copyright violation. I'd say the recording belong to the Russian state which has released it to the public, but others claim the terrorists owns it. Are there some Russian copyright law that can be used here? Rune X2 12:07, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Anyway, russian law will not help you much. It's an "international" issue. God damn the ©. --jno 14:54, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Basically, there's no way you can store it on Commons. Upload it here as fair use, and don't forget to provide a rationale. MaxSem 14:55, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Russian language

Hello. Do you think some template like {{Arabic}} should be created for Russian language ? Any ideas ? - Darwinek 15:12, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I find the Arabic template very useful in cleaning up articles, and there seem to be people who can read Arabic who fix them. Getting the original spelling in the article makes it more complete and makes it easier to find or check interwikis. I think there should be a similar template for all non-Roman alphabets/writing systems. I would suggest there be a single template for all Cyrillic alphabet languages (which is the case with the Arabic template). Rigadoun 21:06, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
This sounds good. There are surely more Russian language-users than Arabic so I think we can keep it real. Would you go ahead and create that template? - Darwinek 09:27, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
I have created it at Template:Cyrillic and placed the articles needing cleanup at Category:Articles needing Cyrillic script (now empty, since I don't know any articles needing it off the top of my head). Tag away! Rigadoun (talk) 16:17, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

onpointradio.org caller criticism

Listen to the 12 minute and later of the interview. some very serious criticism of Russia-related Misplaced Pages articles. Comments? Mieciu K 22:02, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Alternative words for Germans

Does Russian have alternative words for Germans, as in slang? If so please add them, with a small explanation and perhaps translation at the following article: Alternative words for Germans. Thanks in advance, Rex 15:01, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Disputes involving User:Nixer

Russian editors are welcome to state their opinions on Talk:World_War_II#Saying that the war was started by Germany, where some guy dismisses information that it was Germany that started WWII as "racism". Nixer is the only Russian editor opposing all this revisionism now. He is also involved in this delicate discussion], where his opinions are indefensible, I believe. --Ghirla 10:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

List of historical national capitals

Please take a look at this list. It mentions Glukhov and Baturyn as former national capitals of Ukraine but fails to mention Vladimir, Novgorod and Kiev as former capitals of Russia. --Ghirla 15:01, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Letopis vs Khronika

From :

Несмотря на то, что за рядом публикуемых в томе памятников закрепилось название «хроника», все они являются летописями, так как записи в них ведутся по годам

Please explain

  • the difference,
  • its importance
  • whether this difference is reflected in English terminolory
    • If not then whether it should be

Thank you, `'mikka (t) 20:11, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the difference is material; it is not reflected in English usage, to the best of my knowledge. --Ghirla 07:04, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

-ra

Can someone explain the following grammatical form in Russian language:

  • deti->detvora
  • nemtsy->nemchura
  • ...figa->figura (kidding :-)

BTW, is there a reverse Russian vocabulary somewhere online?

Thx, `'mikka (t) 20:28, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Boris Teplov

The article is currently {{prod}}ed. Could someone take a look whether it is notable enough? Pavel Vozenilek 16:33, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Most are quite impressive. abakharev 00:01, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Some sources of free Russian-related pictures

Soviet copyright redux

как на счёт того, что бы выложить там большой баннер с фоткой советского флага над рейхстагом - "голосуйте за сохранение и не дайте нацистам удалить эту фотку"? Elk Salmon 17:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I was thinking of putting that on Template_talk:PD-USSR actually... -- Grafikm 20:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Tsk, tsk. Naughty boys. Lupo 08:23, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Translation please? -- Grafikm 08:36, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Translation: How about to put a big banner with photo of soviet flag over Reichstag and title "Vote for 'Save' - don't allow fascists to delete this photo" --jno 09:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Jno, I was refering to Lupo's statement. I speak Russian and understood what Elk said (and replied him before) :) -- Grafikm 09:23, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I do not see how alienating people who otherwise could listen to the arguments would help us. Besides pictures published anonymously in the Soviet Union before 1954 are PD-old abakharev 11:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
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