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Sadeq Sharafkandi

Hello!!

One question, why did you delete the Sharafkandi article?

Hi! I deleted the article because most of the content was copied from here, which says at the bottom, "www.pdk-iran.org©PDKI All Rights Reserved." I had to delete the article because it was a possible copyright violation.

Feel free to re-submit a new version of the article. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words.

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You might want to look at Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines for more details, or ask a question here. You can also leave a message on my talk page. Khoikhoi 01:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi!!

oki, thanks

on a deleting spree?

I just noticed that you went out of your way to remove most of the links to eecities.com that I added - I believe eecities.com to be a very informative site which provides concrete info... and the links were placed on RELEVANT wikipedia entries (EU Expansion, etc) which begs the question: what IS your problem? Oh, and the little cut and paste blurb you gave as an explanation is not good enough - I don't think it provides relevant arguments in this case...

Hi. While you are encouraged to contribute to Misplaced Pages, adding links to your website is not allowed. The reason is because that's not how Misplaced Pages grows, it grows when content (rather than external links) is added to articles. Secondly, we don't want Misplaced Pages to turn into some directory external links, Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia. Therefore, if you see any spam-like links, please be bold and remove them. Regards, Khoikhoi 21:14, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey. You seem to have forgotten the second part of the equation: …but don't be reckless. Anyway, that's the problem with Misplaced Pages - some links are tolerated and others aren't even if they provide a useful service. Too arbitrary for me, sorry.

is a mistake mixing maps in european countries

hello khoikhoi I thanked you that do not change maps of different types if want can put the green maps or the other maps Greetings.--Hjncfkdnmhbjk 00:11, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

about the maps

Hello khoikhoi y said that if the green maps do not you like can change them, but the problem is that the maps cannot be mixed because all the maps of the wikipedia are of gray color marked of green, what you can cause is to change all the maps of all the countries.--Hjncfkdnmhbjk 00:35, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Bm79

Hello! Thanks for sending me a message. I still don't know much about how all this works. But I wanted to ask for help :) I Am from Iranian Azerbaijan and I saw a lot of rubbish regarding the article about "Iranian Azerbaijan" and I edited some. There are some rubbish left that also have some references, but the references are even more rubbish, they actually take you nowhere but the person has made some incredible and childish claims. How can Idelete references???

Thanks for writing me again! I'll keep that in mind. The reason I got involved was that I saw huge inaccuracies, some which I edited. But there is so much chaos. For example I edited the word "Turkmen" to "Azeri" regarding the Safavid and the Qajar, and there are some people (two preomeninetly Tajik and Azerbaijani) who seem to have nothing to do but distort facts about Azerbaijanis. It made me even wonder that because this site is so big there may be even agents of the Islamic Regime hired to polute and undermine the articles that the Islamic regime of Iran may feel threaten its integrity or something like that!!! Maybe this is absurd but who knows!

The reference I told you about... just look at this absolutely incredible statement on the article about Iranian Azerbaijan:

"A recent study of the genetic landscape of Iran was completed by a team of Cambridge geneticists led by Dr. Maziar Ashrafian Bonab (an Iranian Azerbaijani). Bonab remarked that his group had done extensive DNA testing on different language groups, including Indo-European and non Indo-European speakers, in Iran. The study found that the Azerbaijanis of Iran do not have a similar FSt and other genetic markers found in Anatolian and European Turks. However, the genetic Fst and other genetic traits like MRca and mtDNA of Iranian Azeris were identical to Persians in Iran."

refrence number 7 doe not take anywhere! And the last sentence is just hillarious. That has nothing to do with fact or science. Read this: "The study found that the Azerbaijanis of Iran do not have a similar FSt and other genetic markers found in Anatolian and European Turks. However, the genetic Fst and other genetic traits like MRca and mtDNA of Iranian Azeris were identical to Persians in Iran." This is clearly rubbish because it has nothing to do with those references and it looks like Nazi-style scientific speaking to me, the difference is that Nazis didn't go around telling everyone they were Aryans too. These people are making everybody Aryans, by force, and Nazis exterminated non-Aryans!!Bm79 07:56, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Khoikhoi, this person is a pan Turkist. You can tell by the way he just ignores evidents and calls them "fake"... Its ridiculous really. Just look at he says about the genetic data and other sources. Please warn him not to make POV changes. He doesnt seem to understand that he cannot just claim something he doesnt like is incorrect and then try to change it. By the way Bm79, the Nazi's werent Aryans, they thought they were, so that alone contradicts everything you said, because Nazi's didnt base anything on fact!Azerbaijani 04:08, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I am pan-Turkist? Is this a "personal" attack? All my family and everybody where I lived call each other "Turk", should I deny or ignore it? khoikhoi, I wish to paste this from the article "Azarbaijan has an area of 176,512 square kilometers and a population of about 10 million (estimates vary). Azeris make up the majority of the population in the Iranian region of Azarbaijan. Azarbaijan is famous for its great natural beauty. There are 17 rivers and two lakes in the region. Cotton, nuts, textiles, tea, machinery and electrical equpiments are main industries. The northern, alpine region, which includes Lake Urmia, is mountainous, with deep valleys and fertile lowlands." Is thisa serious article? It gives Iranian Azerbaijan a specific size??? It gives it a specific population??? let's go and give Turkish Kurdistan a specific size and population then. The article says that Azerbaijan is famous for its natural beauty???? I have never heard anybody saying that "that country is famous for its natural uglyness" HAHAHA, you get what I mean? Later in the article it says that Azerbaijanis are "identical" to Persians genetically. Is this a serious article??? Maybe this guy (kid, teenager, or something) wrote it, but I wished to make it less POV (he has just learnt POV and writing it everywhere) and I haven't been able to. How can I do so that my homeland is not made fun in an article??? There must be a way, because as I can see one-two or thre people can hijack things as they wish on this website. If it is really possible, then I must think about forgetting and retreating. I also wrote some stuff below! Thanks :) Bm79 04:47, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Dear khoikhoi, I started to learna bit about how wikipedia works and it's quite strange, and I have just decided that I will not involve in this anymore. There are users that insult other users who do not agree with them, specifically say they are either writing POV, or vandalising, or that they are pan-Turkist, or that they create other account. The member Azerbaijani has accused so many users of these things on a daily basis. I don't really care, but if this website is supposed to create quality work then this is not the way to do it. I wanted to do edits, but now I am never going to edit anything because some kids are going to accuse and insult me all the time. I don't know much about other articles but as far as I got to know, the articles I wasn interested about, are made a mockery of by few individuals (and from the time they spend on their ideas on the Internet it is obvious they are youngsters). Just a thought! And I think I will receive more insults because of just having said this. Good day Bm79 17:12, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Dear khoikhoi, you haven't written me. I thought of giving up and forgetting about this website but I couldn't. Do you agree to be intimidated and leave unsourced and inaccurate data becasue there are (essentially one user who continuously insults and intimidates Azerbaijanis, and has paradoxically chosen the name "Azerbaijani' probably for the same reason, so he could be authoritative)? You told me to bring proof otherwise. Let me go through this again :) The article about "Iranian Azerbaijan" says that the area has a specific size. I wanted to change it but I confronted being called "vandaliser", "POV", "pan-Turkist" and so on. I saw that the user Azerbaijani has been doing the same thing to other Azerbaijanis as well (the republic or Iran). Could anyone bring up any reliable source to prove that Iranian Azerbaijan is anything but an "approximate" area, exacly like Turkish Kurdistan??? No. Iranian Azerbaijan has no boundaries and no one can measure it. What about the population 10 million!? Those three provinces that are mentioned have even less population. And other parts of the article say that Azerbaijan is rich, beautiful and so on. I tried to change them but I was again named names. How can we deal with such a person who is intolerant and abusive?! You saw the sources given. They are sources from Persian Nationalists and extremely unreliable. I wrote a few sentences the other time from the sources and they were just a couple of articles from two people. Is it OK for me to give sources from Azerbaijani nationalists to confront those sources? That would be wrong because this is an informative website, not a political arena. Pleaselooking forward for your reply. Thanks!Bm79 03:49, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Another remark left by the member "Azerbaijani" about the Qajar, I copy-paste: "They did not descend from Ohguz Turks, however, they did speak a language of Oghuz origin. To say that they are of Oghuz origin is wrong, because, and this is the most obvious reason, they werent Mongoloid!Azerbaijani 21:23, 31 December 2006 (UTC)" Why is this member tolerated? Whenever I see the name os this member it is like a nightmare, because if I touch whatever he has done they will be reversed immediately and I will be insulted and intimidated again. He has put "linguistic" in front of origin so that he makes his point clear that they were not Mongoloids! They were Persians who just spoke Turkic becasue... just because, just like the Safavid and anybody else who is an Azerbaijani. Why is this person allowed to mock us like this? Bm79 04:22, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Dear khoikhoi, please look at the ORIGINAL text I have written in the tak section oif Azerbaijan (Iran) and you will see that the original text has been altered, adding and removing parts. Please take a look, all I did was to put the original text. Here is the link to look at the original text from Columbia Encyclopedia, which is not Iranian and not Azerbaijani, and is an independent Western reliable source, unlike some of other sources. The article had been copy-pasted from the same place, though altered. http://www.reference.com/search?q=azerbaijn

That page's source is Columbia Encyclopedia, which has been illegitimately altered by some to look like something else. Bm79 12:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

khoikhoi, thank you for your attention! I am new and unfortunately I did not quite understand what was going on. Obviously some person, either the person who had originally written the article or the person who had added THOSE parts was doing something illegal, which is, as you know, to take a text from a source and either not mention it or alter the source so that it intentioanlly looks different.

Please also look at the article "Azerbaijan" which has some terribly biased things written there. Here is what I saw which is really BIASED, obviously written with a clear intention that Azerbaijan is not the name of the republic of Azerbaijan and the sources are 1) a letter from an Armenian to the US (are they kidding us???!!!) and two others from a book by an Iranian and an ARTICLE by another Iranian. Please look at the sources. If the sources are not reliable then the writing must not be like THIS:

With the collapse of Tsarist Russia in 1917, the Musavat ("Equality") Turkic Federalist Party, which had pan Turkic elements within it, met in Tbilisi on May 27, 1918 to create their own state, which they named Azerbaijan. According to some sources, the name Azerbaijan was adopted in order to claim north western Iran. The Bolsheviks re-conquered the Caucasus and kept the name Azerbaijan, in hopes of later adding north western Iran into the Soviet Union. Mohammad Amin Rasulzade, the leader of Musavat party, later admitted a mistake in choosing the name Azerbaijan for the state, saying that Albania (referring to Caucasian Azerbaijan) was different than Azerbaijan (referring to Iranian Azerbaijan). Rasulzade Also declared his eagerness to do "whatever is in his power to avoid any further discontent among Iranians". Bm79 04:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Dear khoikhoi, are you here? I would like to have a chat :) Or some other admin if possible. Please contact me! Thanks! Bm79 03:02, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Dear khoikhoi, I am not very familiar with this site yet but from the articles I have found out about one thing has been made so clear to me. There are certain inviduals. It doesn't need to me more than 5, and they could all be one person on the Internet but from differing attitudes I think they are more than JUST 1. These members are absolutely intent on mocking everything related to Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis. Remeber the article about Iranian Azerbaijan? THe user "Azerbaijani" who used to delete everything I had edited, after the admins erased the copyright-violation parts, disappeared for a couple of days, during which was busy mocking other Azerbaijani related articles came back and reverted everything to what it was before. I really think admins should take necessary measures to stop this. These members are continuously mocking, intimidating, insulting and personally attacking the Azerbaijanis. They make essays about how Azerbaijan is dubious as a country and how Azerbaijanis are dubious, impure and so and so as a people. Their essays have made through to become articles. Azerbaijani personalities are made either Turkem, either Persian or they have been made otherwise. And above all they have continuously written absolutely pure essays about Azerbaijan and through intimidations and continuous edits their versions seem to be the articles. All I am asking is for some admins to take a look at these and either block them, or erase them or something. Why should articles (about Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis) instead of focusing on Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis focus on how Azerbaijanis and their leaders are actually NOT what they seem to be and how they have done this and that, according to persian and Armenian sources!!!! Interesting that Iran and Armenia are such close friends! Maybe terrorism is their common aim, which is clearly shown here on the Internet! Bm79 21:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

User:72.49.107.14

Hi Khoikhoi. I noticed you reverted this guy. He could probably do with chilling out for an hour or two. Would you be willing to block him and give him a break? Reverse Gear 05:22, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Just a silly kid but annoying for the guys who keep having to revert his edits. Reverse Gear 05:42, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I did know and I wasn't aware I hadn't somewhere. Thanks for the reminder though. Reverse Gear 13:14, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't know why it's doing that! I thought I should be red. I should probably put something on my userpage and see whether that works. Reverse Gear 13:28, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks, I fixed it. Reverse Gear 13:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Me or Him?

Please do not spam articles like you did to Macedonia. Teak the Kiwi 03:08, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Khoikhoi 03:43, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Where you talking to me (TtK) or 195.251.255.200? Teak the Kiwi 01:56, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

History of Pakistan

This page is again "protected" with Indian propaganda. We have been trying remove controversal Indian perspecive from these Pakistani pages. You have "protetedt" the page with Indian propaganda. The Pakistani contributors have so far refrained from History of India. But the Indian have been virulenty changing text on Pakistani pages with thier propaganda. It would request you to consider your decision. I would prefer it to be protected with Pakistani version of our history. Siddiqui 03:56, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

He has started editing tendentiously across India pages as well, like Christianity in India and History of India adding unreliable nonsense.Rumpelstiltskin223 05:29, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Khoikhoi

Where are you from? Are you from Bodrum? Morris Munroe 19:51, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi

why did you revert the changes in azerbaijani language, can you proof which state of armenia governed those regions so that we mention the former armenian state while not mentioning other cultures. Canerguclu 03:50 12 Jan 2007

Hi Khoikhoi

Why do you regard the links to the online keyboards (for example russian) as inappropriate? For somebody who is studying a language they may be very helpful. 14:59 13 Jan 2007 Snorr

human.az

sorry but the links were directly related with the issue and it is one of the important sites of the Azerbaijani perspective.--Замя́тин 09:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

It is a hate website, and does not meet WP:RS. Should I add links to hellenicgenocide.org on articles about Turkey? Khoikhoi 09:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

:) There is a link to hellenicgenocide.org on Pontic Greek Genocide article.--Замя́тин 09:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Not anymore. ;-) Khoikhoi 09:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.--Замя́тин 09:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks. Cäelevar 11:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Why shouldn't archives be edited? If i don't agree with pathethic hellenistic propaganda do i have to shut up and see them misinform people? Makidonu 21:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, according to {{talkarchive}}, they shouldn't. It's old discussion. Why don't you make new comments on the talk page? Khoikhoi 21:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok sorry my bad! :)

complain

dear khoikhoi I am new in wikipedia and I updated a very poor article about Rasulzade and you can go and check my user name is Elsanaturk. but a user called Azerbaijani three times hindered me to put new material and after that h took my material spoiled it and put it and after that reported me on 3rrrd or something but when I was blocked he returned and edited that page 'four' times and deleted my cited sentence. isn't it a vandalism?217.64.23.1 05:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I understand your concern. In fact, Azerbaijani is blocked too. It cannot be called vandalism, this is actually a dispute over content. However, what I reccomend you do (after your block expires) is that you leave a comment on the talk page saying what you want to add, and then try to come to a compromise (follow the dispute resolution process). Also, perhaps you could try providing third-party sources rather than Azeri ones. Azeri sources are fine, it's just that we'd have to state "according to Azeri sources" in the sentence. You can also try talking to Grandmaster, who is also from Azerbaijan. Perhaps he can help you resolve this conflict with User:Azerbaijani. Regards, Khoikhoi 05:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Kalash

Many Kalash claim that they are the direct descendants of Macedonians se Macedonian Descents In Pakistan.AVI and "Pakistani Kalasch Y-Chromosome Haplogroup Frequency" (related to Jugoslaiav Macedonian)" HUMAN RACES CALCULATOR .194.236.207.147 18:33, 17 Januari 2007. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.236.208.147 (talk) 18:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

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