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GAN for Taiko

Hi Chris-- I know your speciality is in Anime and Manga, but I wanted to ask if you might consider reviewing the good article nomination for the article on taiko, which I've been trying to improve over the last month or so. If you're not interested, that's completely fine, but if you have any suggestions on how the article might be improved, feel free to make changes or suggest them to me. I, JethroBT 21:45, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

I'll do it on my days off, but I'll put in a request for the books through the library to double check sources and content. For a complete review it may take me more than a week to assemble the sources and a few additional ones. The page is far better than the Japanese one, but theomission some kanji terms and the use of shaku without the context can be confusing. Also, historical musical pieces played on the drum would be nice to have for some context. Usage in popular culture should probably included instead of a "see also" and Taiko no Tatsujin is deserving of a few lines itself. Some additional sources I'd like to see consulted include: And so on an so forth. The further reading section should definately be worked in for more competing views and scope. The article is indeed good, but for type of musical instrument the "broad" aspect becomes rather FA like because it cannot be comprehensive on a single page unless it deals with the whole. With that being said, the types are fairly well covered, but so much commentary and insight into the drums. The drum makers are absent, and so is details on the construction and drum materials. The wood is perfectly fine, but I see nothing on the drumhead. So its indeed good, but its got some missing content still. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 02:25, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Chris, great suggestions. (I was nodding my head the whole way through reading your response!) I'll get started on some these issues right away. I, JethroBT 02:50, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

And to think I was just rambling on for a few moments about some observations! ChrisGualtieri (talk) 03:17, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

It seems a number of these topics are not accessible online (or just in snippets without sufficient context), so it's off to the library for me as well! I, JethroBT 19:17, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

The resource exchange board would probably get most of those. WP:RX has helped me out before. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 19:26, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll check this out. I do have database access, so that should be OK for the articles. Most of the books are accessible to me through the Chicago Public Library too, so it's just a matter of waiting. One thing I want to point out is that it may be helpful (at some point) to fork some content on some of the types of drums because they are so common (e.g. there was already a page on shime-daiko before I started improving this one). Not sure how you want to factor this consideration into the GAN, but I certainly understand the need for breadth for a musical instrument (though in this case, it's a very wide variety of instruments). I, JethroBT 20:34, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

You'll have the burden of being broad, whereas individual articles on specific types of drums will have to be more specific on the individual development and construction. A FA or GA on a musical instrument is not an easy thing to do, much less a foreign instrument. In a sense, the article almost already surpasses parts of the GA aspect, but filling a few holes in would make it better, since they have been pointed out. I just have to go through one or two more books tonight and I'll pick up the review. I've got to return 6 books to the library by the 8th and 1 by the 4th that I haven't only begun reading. Adult Manga by Sharon Kinsey is the book I need to rewrite manga because it has a lot of coverage on the development and industry of adult-targeted comics (not pornographic either) and I got Anime Classics Zettai and I still got to review Anime Explosion. On the 9th my Little Boy book has to go back as well. I got only 6 others due by November after that, but I had to do three books on the 2nd so I blew through them in two days and got plenty of notes and material scattered on my desk and computer. I take my research very seriously; I do GA fairly to the criteria, but if you get it to FA level, I could be a demanding person and offer additional notes and back and forth about commentary. You do realize that in my anime and manga research that I typically find publication errors and sometimes solve decades old mysteries through studious research? Asking me to review something I take an interest in is a sure-fire way to make sure its vetted and checked against anything and everything I can get my hands on. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 20:46, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

That sounds great-- I like a thorough review. I think you will find me a very receptive person to improvements and suggestions. I may have questions for clarification, but I don't try to fight tooth and nail over every little thing. It will be helpful to have another head in this, too, because I've already come across some discrepancies in the literature on certain matters (e.g. just today, I've come across conflicts over what constitutes "traditional" construction of drums...also considering that it might be better to just avoid the word "traditional" altogether in some spots here). In any case, I'm in this for the long haul, so I'm committed to making improvements for GA (and eventually FA) for as long as it takes. This was article had zero citations when I started working on it and a giant bibliography at the bottom...a great deal of which are unreliable sources. I've done a lot, but as you say, there's work left to do. Let's just say I like a good challenge, so I'm ready for your scrutiny.  : ) I, JethroBT 21:00, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

• I've scored a cache of documents and I noticed some Wikiproject mess so I'm going to be fixing a bunch of things up while I wait for the books to come in. I'm going to take the GAN now, but it will be some time before I get everything I need. Do you mind the wait? ChrisGualtieri (talk) 16:24, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

No problem-- just keep me posted on when you think you might get officially started. I just stopped by the library yesterday to place a hold on the books I need (which are Varian's Way of Taiko and Bender's Taiko Boom. In the meantime, I can start adding information from the sources you scrounged up above. I, JethroBT 17:00, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

I am going to see what I can do on Wiki while I wait for mediation and the books. I think fixing the WP:USA assessment and making it functional and worth checking will be a good side project. I'm like the only person who cares to do such work on Misplaced Pages, but losing it would be bad because a high level project sort function is better than a bunch of low level ones for international studies and focus. If there is a fault with the organization and operation of a system, many people will abandon or call for its removal rather than its fixing simply because cleaning it up takes longer than passing it into obscurity or removing it entirely. Which ironically, would take more work at this point. Why few people appreciate such things is beyond me, but it is a good feeling to have your hard work be useful to someone, right? A scholarly topic on Taiko does more for the education and appreciation of the work than playing in some band or giving some speeches. Misplaced Pages is a good platform in that sense, but the goal is to represent the sum of all human knowledge and have easy accessibility to that information. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 17:09, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

• Books just came in today, so I'll be getting started with some more substantial edits this weekend. I've also started to incorporate information from the sources above. How are things on your end? I, JethroBT 13:09, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

• Library called about one of the books two days ago, I won't be getting my Asian music in North America book. Apparently the library that had it listed cannot find it in its records. Sad to say, but I think JSTOR and MUSE requests at the RX would be all I have unless you can send a copy or scan to me through email or something just so I can peer review it. Though it is not necessary and is likely more trouble than it is worth. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 13:17, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

There are a few I can e-mail you, actually (I have some access to databases from grad school). I'll do that now. I, JethroBT 16:27, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Chris-- sorry that I haven't been able to get book scans to you yet. I've been tied up at work! Do you still think you have time to do the Taiko review? I see you have lots of things on your plate right now... I, JethroBT 01:40, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

That's alright. We are both busy, but if you can get the book scans in a few days time, I'll hold off. I didn't want to rush you or cause concern by not being responsive or alarming other editors about the time delay in the review process. As you can see, I have been really busy, but I usually print out GANs and go through them line by line during my lunch breaks and mark them up in red to prepare my review. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:43, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Hey, just want to confirm that you got the scans from me. Any idea when you might be able to start the review? There's a couple things I still need to add from your suggestions above. I, JethroBT 21:43, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Hey Chris-- just checking in again. If you need to back out of looking over the GAN for any reason, that's totally fine. But if you think you have the time to spare, that's great. Just wanted to see where you were at. Thanks, I, JethroBT 15:02, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Have you added everything you wanted? I've been really busy, but just let me know when your set and I'll reveal it from there - I do have the scans. Sorry for the delay. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 21:52, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I'll be adding some things in this evening on Taiko no Tatsujin and (hopefully) something on a historical piece or two, the latter of which I can probably draw from Yatai-bayashi. I, JethroBT 14:47, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

OK Chris, I'm ready to go. I still have the books on me (I renewed them!), so if there is more content that is missing, I should be able to add it in as you go through the GAN. Will you be able to start soon? I, JethroBT 03:03, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Will post it tomorrow! ChrisGualtieri (talk) 03:20, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind (film)/GA1

I left a important message there. Please be quick and clean up the plot in 2 days, otherwise, I've to fail that article. Regards, --Jionpedia ✉ 19:03, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

I've left comments there. Will pass the article after the problems have been resolved, but please do it quickly. Regards, --Jionpedia ✉ 12:30, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Fostering through Social Enterprise (FtSE)

Hi Chris, A while back (27 February 2012) you declined a submission because it was not adequately supported by reliable sources: Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Fostering_Through_Social_Enterprise. I've just added some verifiable sources, such as The Guardian, The Telegraph, as well as a number of national charities. I hope that this submission now satisfies notability requirements. I wondered if you might be able to take another pass at it? Thanks in advance. LizHawkins (talk) 22:20, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Appears to meet the bare minimum in terms of content and sourcing for the presumption of notability. I have moved it to mainspace. It still needs development, but after a year from its first submission the continued improvement and coverage in sources bodes well for the future. Keep up the good work! ChrisGualtieri (talk) 23:11, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Question about edits to Chase Paymentech Page

Hi Chris, I was alerted that you made some edits to the Chase Paymentech page today (thanks!) and just wanted to ask a few quick questions. What was changed? Did you notice something I did wrong in the setup/editing that I should keep in mind moving forward? I am fairly new to contributing to Misplaced Pages, so I am doing my best to make sure I am doing everything right. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alvb (talk • contribs) 21:42, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

I fixed the template and bolded the name. I just noticed a broken wiki link for things like JP Morgan Chase, just make brackets around them and it will link it like this ] and it will work. You do not need to provide the URL. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 23:11, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

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I noticed you are removing whitespaces from the events section of tennis articles. I'm not intimately familiar with the guidelines regarding this formatting issue but the whitespaces are there to increase the readability of the articles. Without the whitespaces the events section becomes one big blob of text that is much harder to scan and read compared to the same section with whitespaces. Compare e.g. the 1970 South African Open (tennis) article with (1) and without (2) whitespaces.--Wolbo (talk) 18:28, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

These are extra breaks, they are rendering and they should not be per WP:MOS. Also, links like ] should simply be ]s. This type of additional lines of nothing but whitespace breaks the reading flow and I do not know why you are saying this makes it easier to read, when the text is simply and inexplicably separated from further. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 18:38, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Chris I updated the section on sightlines in stadia. I am an experienced stadium architect The information I added is stadium good practise and cant really quote a source but know all this to be true. I want to add further very useful detail on stadium design and good practise. Is it OK to not have sources. Anybody else who knows will not disaggree with what I have added. Thanks Mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tadpolefarmer (talk • contribs) 16:22, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Some things need not be sourced, but these are like "the sky is blue". Anything generally controversial should be cited, or likely to be controversial. The addition is fine under common sense, but is extremely technical. Thankfully, this is all easily covered through scholarly sources. I particularly like how this is covered with ADA seating - a major part of existing law. I like to use Google Scholar to cite what I already know because my "word" is meaningless on topics here. I do happen to be an expert in a specialty field though yet Misplaced Pages does not distinguish such experts and is typically rough on them because of the unique atmosphere. Just let those sources back your words up! ChrisGualtieri (talk) 16:30, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

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I've just created an article about TAB Books that contains a minor link to Stan Gibilisco. I removed your "dead end" tag because it doesn't apply any longer. Probably another tag is needed, since there's now only one teeny-tiny link to him, but I don't know what it might be. Lou Sander (talk) 16:53, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Dead end is for lack of outgoing links where "orphan" is less than 3 incoming links from other pages. The tag only details the problem and not the fix; it is not meant to be a form of punishment or method for continual directed improvement based on the whims of editors. Thanks for fixing it, I was doing a quick run with AWB and it places them if they qualify and it is very hard to tell otherwise. Thanks for fixing it. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 17:01, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

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    Your GA noms

    Hi Chris, I'm settled in and have internet set up now in my new house. I haven't seen any changes to NGE since I responded to you on the review page, and there are still issues you haven't touched. Can you give me a sense of your plan for completing the articles I've reviewed? I would recommend that you hold off on nominating new articles for review until after we've wrapped these up. Regards, Lemurbaby (talk) 10:31, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

    I was asking for direction for the NGE one. I do not know what the problem is. And as you can tell, the Ghost in the Shell film GAN actually precedes your GAN reviews, it just was taken. And is actually about to pass. I'd like to focus on the NGE and anime ones. Since NGE is really close can you please tell me what is needed for the NGE one to pass? @Lemurbaby:, I do not think the hentai one will be able to pass given your request. Hentai had been up before all the others and I hate to see it fail - I'd hate for any of them to fail, but I can go all out on the anime page if you request as well. Just say the word. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 13:13, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

    I don't intend to fail any of them - it's just a matter of you deciding how you'd like to tackle the workload. It's fine to start with NGE first. I'm not clear on what sort of additional information you need to improve the article. There are still suggestions and recommendations in the GA review that don't seem to have been addressed. If they aren't crossed off, it means they still need attention. If you believe you've addressed an issue and I haven't noticed the change, point it out and I will have another look. If there is anything unclear, let me know. Lemurbaby (talk) 15:48, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

    A barnstar for you!

    	The Resilient Barnstar
    	You are the pride and joy of Misplaced Pages! Without people like you Misplaced Pages would not move forward! Banaster Giver Extra Polite (talk) 11:37, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

    Yay, thanks! ChrisGualtieri (talk) 16:39, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

    Such a shame that was a sockpuppet.Lucia Black (talk) 16:52, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

    A strange one

    Hi ChrisGualtieri, hope you're well. If you're not too busy, would you be able to look in at User talk:Quadell#mirror images? A very odd situation, regarding a new Harrison biography, which … well, it basically rips off Misplaced Pages's Harrison album and song articles. Strange but true.

    What I'm hoping is, you might want to hit "helpful" on my Amazon review – which I've signed as "HariG", and which is linked from Quadell's page. In the interests of drawing attention to this issue, I'd simply like to ensure that the review is helpful/popular enough to register in the listing's main space. Quite understand if you'd rather not of course. Many thanks. Best, JG66 (talk) 18:00, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

    Can you help please

    Dear Chris, Someone has blocked me out of the page about John Dalli. The fact is that there are contributors who are vandalising this site with intent to damage Mr. Dalli. I tried to compile a factual description of his achievements and of the events that led to problems in his political life. I tried to reference the contribution profusely. I would like my contribution to be included and protected from vandalism by the likes of "Demdem" and "ritche333".

    I would appreciate some help --Trabixu (talk) 18:45, 9 November 2013 (UTC)Trabixu

    I'd discuss at Talk:John Dalli. Also semi-protected means you need to be on the site for 4 days before you can edit those - its a means to stop IP vandals from continuing with newly registered accounts. Also the first two edits hit the filter for vandalism. There was a lot of WP:BLP issues and a lack of sources. If you mean well, you'll need to discuss and cite your sources. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 18:51, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

    A brownie for you!

    Thanks for helping with the overhaul of the Mummies page, I really appreciate it! -- Saint Soren (talk) 15:30, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

    Thanks, but I didn't do that much. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 15:33, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

    New section on the Anime and Manga RfC

    Hello there. Since the Anime and Manga RfC seems to have developed a consensus for the "It depends on notability and uniqueness of each adaptation", I have started a thread to see if we can offer metrics or further guidance for such case by case... erm... cases. I have no idea if such a thing is even possible to draft up, but since having it might help, I figured I'd try. The thread is HERE, and as a previous participant in the RfC I wanted to let you know about it using this overly long, rambling message.

    Since the RfC has been going very well, and at this point I've seen no indications that it's going to get all flamey, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't offer suggestions in this section, if you have any.

    Cheers, Sven Manguard Wha? 17:07, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

    RfC

    the RfC is related to whether anime adaptations or any various adaptation can be split from the original given between the circumstances of Dragon Ball, and Bleach animes. It is unrelated to Ghost in the shell, which is having the original media as primary topic.Lucia Black (talk) 01:35, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

    I've asked you to stay off my page. Your pushing of the matter more than three times in a year has been met with no consensus each time. I have nothing more to say to you. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:38, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

    Why the fuck did you have to move it to "Ghost in the Shell (franchise)"?—Ryulong (琉竜) 08:56, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

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