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18 November 2006

DOPAMINE

This is an m-flo single, but it was speedy deleted as "No label, no distribution, no verification: A7". I know that m-flo is notable; they certainly meet the WP:MUSIC criteria by having gone on a tour of Japan (one of their albums is a live one from that tour). According to that page, consensus is that albums for notable musicians are fine. There was also a redirect at DOPAMINE (m-flo); that might actually be a better title. --NE2 01:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Endorse deletion. They meet the WP:MUSIC criteria. That means that their PUBLISHED albums are NOTABLE. That does not mean that every piece of music they have ever made is VERIFIABLE. Notability does not automatically mean inclusion, inclusion also requires multiple verifiable sources. And given that you have not addressed the "No distribution" comment, I assume there was none. -Amarkov edits 02:34, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
    • I don't know enough about m-flo, but I would assume there was distribution. I know it was a popular single/EP, but I don't know how to find sources for that. Is enough? --NE2 18:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Restore, possibly send to AfD. No label + no distribution doesn't necessarily mean no verification - look at Clap Your Hands Say Yeah for an example. This should have never been speedied. --badlydrawnjeff talk 04:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
    I think the indended meaning was "A, B and C", rather than "A + B = C". Chris talk back 04:30, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
    Yes, but A and B are irrelevant here, and C, while potentially problematic, could have been dealt with much differently. --badlydrawnjeff talk 14:28, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Endorse deletion - not only was there no assertion of ability, there was a compelling assertion of non-notability. Subject fails policy, as above. No prejudice against creating a new, sourced, verifiable article. Guy (Help!) 10:21, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I did not get very verbose with the deletion comment, but here is why I stand by my deletion: I noticed that we have an "loves mflo" scattered all across Misplaced Pages, that someone had been pretty seriously putting in everything about a supposed J-pop/rap act that simply couldn't be verified, much less shown to be a towering figure, on non-Japanese sources. Of all of these, and I left most of them alone, this one was the most egregious example of something that Misplaced Pages is not. Here is the article, as it was:
    "an EP by m-flo on February 23, 2005. It features rapper Diggy-MO' and J-Pop singer EMYLI on the title track, as well as YOSHIKA on "tO yOUR bEAT" and 坂本龍一 on "I WANNA BE DOWN (The Scumfrog Remix)". A music video was also released for the title track."
  • It was an ep! Albums are barely included, ep's are not, unless they're just plain staggering. I can imagine that the "Atmosphere" ep by Joy Division might be included or Love Will Tear Us Apart, since those were Song of the Year winners that were not available in any other form, but yet another ep? Yet another ep article written in such a way that yo yo yo fanz can understand and no one else can? No. Just plain no. If "m-flo" is as important to Japanese rap as the Beatles to rock and roll, then fold all the danged mini-play entities into the main article. Otherwise, this is an attempt at multiplying mentions of the name (and only one more instance of it, since someone has been really hard at work getting the name mentioned in multiple articles, which looked like page rank boosting to me). Geogre 12:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Albums are "barely included?" I don't know how you come to that conclusion at all. --badlydrawnjeff talk 14:28, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
      • We should not have an article on every album by every artist. Even the largest sites on the web that take music as their sole concern, like AllMusicGuide, don't do that. For a long time, we rejected all articles on all albums. Then we allowed in the few landmark records, like Elvis! We have slowly eroded some of our barriers and begun allowing those with very definite sales. There is no "we must take an album," no "we must take every album from every major artist," and no "we must take any e.p." Common sense and the deletion policy still apply: it has to be significant, verifiable, and well delimited. Most records are not. Geogre 15:51, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
        • Well, I disagree with that, and common practice definitely does as well. We don't leave off movies by notable directors or most books by notable authors, so I see no reason to consider disrupting a workable status quo on this one. In my mind, common sense demands it. --badlydrawnjeff talk 16:07, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
    • "loves m-flo" what they use instead of "featuring". --NE2 18:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Endorse Deletion -- WP:MUSIC is pretty clear. Band notable, an EP is not. Should we also have articles over every single song and what they wear?--Elaragirl 20:50, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Endorse deletion, if no assertion of the album in and of itself was made, the album fits under A7. Should remain without prejudice against a future article which can assert and prove notability. Seraphimblade 09:29, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Esperanza/Coffee Lounge

Misplaced Pages:Esperanza/Coffee Lounge (edit | ] | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) — (MfD)

The MfD was closed only a day after nomination, potentially shutting out voters. Alethiophile23 00:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Fixed MfD link, Chris talk back 00:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

&Endorse. I may not have closed it that quickly, but there's no reason to have another 250K MfD page with no cogent arguments in favor of keeping. The fact that there appears to be a concensus at Misplaced Pages:Esperanza/Overhaul/Coffee Lounge for deletion provides an added reason for deletion. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 17:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Endorse closure. If the Esperanza cavalry makes an appearance they'll have to contend with the Cabal's Own Pikemen, by gad! Misplaced Pages is not a chatroom. Don't they have an IRC channel (if not, why not)? Mackensen (talk) 14:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Endorse - It was going to be deleted anyway, by Esperanzans. Cabalist calvary ready for any charges by Esperanzans. And if anyone was shut out of the process, they should be here....and I don't see anyone but badlydrawnjeff. --Elaragirl 20:52, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Endorse the prior discussion at Misplaced Pages:Esperanza/Overhaul/Coffee Lounge was factored in to the early close and WP:SNOW probably applies by its terms (though I think it makes a better speedy keep than a speedy delete argument). Per WP:SNOW, WP:IAR, Arthur Rubin, and others above nothing would be gained by reopening the discussion so it should remain closed. That said, I would encourages closers to let these discussions run longer, at least 24 hors if not the full five days, unless an explict sppedy criterion at least arguably applies. Eluchil404 21:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Endorse deletion, it was deleted per the overhaul by Esperanzians. If you really want this back go try talking with them; don't take it to Misplaced Pages in general just yet. --Cyde Weys 22:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Endorse deletion, this was obviously snowballing, and only one objection here has been registered here thus far. Seraphimblade 09:27, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Category:Women in comics

deletion discussion on CfD

This was deleted for failing to meet Misplaced Pages's gender neutrality policies. These policies state "Use gender-neutral category names, unless there is a distinct reason and consensus to do otherwise." The problem is that there is a very distinct reason to not have a gender-neutral category name here. Comics are, historically, a very male dominated industry. Much has been written about male misogynism in comis stories, and the critiques reach from mainstream superhero comics to underground artists like R. Crumb. Books and articles are published on the topic, it's a frequent issue at academic comics conferences, and industry figures like Gail Simone and Trina Robbins have spoken out quite loudly about the issue of women in comics.

As an example, out of DC's superhero titles being published in February, only two have a woman as the main writer. A third has a woman as one of three co-writers, and there are two female inkers. That's it.

The category renaming issue could also probably be fixed with "Women working in comics" or something similar. Alternatively, the category could be broadeend to include important female characters - Wonder Woman, Blondie Boopadoop, etc. These are issues to sort out at WikiProject Comics. But there is definitely one or more categories to be done on this topic, as the topic of women in comics exists in academic study of comics, and is thus a sensible way to navigate the articles.

I therefore ask permission to recreate a similar category. Phil Sandifer 16:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)