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Property Losses Estimate

The last sentence of the header reads: "According to Perry Anderson, it is estimated that half of the population in the Palestinian territories are refugees and that they have collectively suffered approximately US$300 billion in property losses due to Israeli confiscations, at 2008–09 prices."

However, the *total* national wealth of neighbouring Jordan (population >10M, greater than 2x the current population of the Gaza Strip + the West Bank) is $146 billion, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_countries_by_total_wealth. Even if property in Israel is substantially more valuable per square foot (possible), Israel's total national wealth is only $1,046 billion or $1.05 trillion (same source), and Israel is an unusually stable/rich/technologically innovative country by Middle Eastern standards so the land in an independent Palestine has no guarantee to be as valuable as land in the state of Israel.

I submit that this sentence should be removed as not credible, or at least have some sort of qualification added to it providing context (such as the total wealth of neighbouring Jordan).

Genetics

Why is there such a focus on genetics of Jews in this article? This is not an article about Jews. It's just unnecessarily cluttering the article.

DNA Jews and Palestinians

A 2020 study on remains from Canaanaite (Bronze Age southern Levantine) populations suggests a significant degree of genetic continuity in currently Arabic-speaking Levantine populations (including Palestinians, the Lebanese, Druze, and Syrians) as well as in several Jewish groups (including Sephardi Jews, Ashkenazi Jews, Mizrahi Jews, and Maghrebi Jews) from the populations of the Bronze Age Levant, suggesting that the aforementioned groups all derive over half of their entire atDNA ancestry from Canaanite/Bronze Age Levantine populations, albeit with varying sources and degrees of admixture from differing host or invading populations depending on each group. The study concludes that this does not mean that any of these present-day groups bear direct ancestry from people who lived in the Middle-to-Late Bronze Age Levant or in Chalcolithic Zagros; rather, it indicates that they have ancestries from populations whose ancient proxy can be related to the Middle East."

False conclusions from flawed study with conflicts of interest. The origins of Jews, particularly Ashkenazi Jews, are converts from Iran (Zagros), corroborated by other studies and which is why Zagros was conveniently added to the study in question as a location of interest to obfuscate and lead to false conclusions. The scientific results of this study were that Jews (Ashkenazi) originate from the Levant OR Zagros (Iran) and we know it's the latter from other studies that confirm this. The authors then conveniently twisted the truth to imply that they originated from an population that settled in Palestine from Zagros (Iran) much earlier which is a blatant lie historically. 69.157.142.54 (talk) 00:54, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Correct Grammar.

There are various grammatical errors. For example, the first paragraph has a semicolon where there should be a comma. Unable to edit due to restrictions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stalfnzo (talk • contribs) 01:09, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Fixed! Are there any other errors you'd like corrected? Also, please remember to sign your messages using four tildes (~~~~). -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 01:22, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Thank you so much. Grammatical errors make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. I'll review the entire article and let you know if I find anything else. Peace — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stalfnzo (talk • contribs) 05:53 (UTC)
Stalfnzo, punctuation is not grammar. That semi-colon to separate independent clauses, that's style. Drmies (talk) 02:17, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Found a missing space after comma in the subsection "Arabization of Palestine": "...show a prevalence of Arab names over Aramaic names from the Achaemenid period,550 -330 BCE onwards." Jude P. (talk) 10:47, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Think I forgot to sign Jude P. (talk) 10:48, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Documentation that most Arabs today in Palestine who identify as "Palestinians" likely have no ancestry to Palestine

"Innocents Abroad" by Mark Twain, published 1869, is a very well known classic of a detailed account of a border to border expedition of Palestine journeyed by Mark Twain & colleagues. It documents that for centuries Palestine was a "very unpopulated vast wasteland". There were no people groups occupying the land. You could journey for 3 days before meeting one person. The population today claiming to be Palestinian are very unlikely to have ancestral ties before the increase in non Jewish peoples that happened in the 1950's, hence, they are not from Palestine, & whose ancestors have not been there for even a century. IN PERSON INTERVIEW WITH THOSE CLAIMING TO BE PALESTINIAN, which anyone can do as I have done, will reveal these people are from Jordan and have little if no history in Palestine.

JoeFerrari (talk) 21:06, 25 May 2021 (UTC) Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page)."Innocents Abroad" by Mark Twain

Yes, you got that from Joan Peters's probably ghostwritten piece of historical fiction,From Time Immemorial. Go read Norman G. Finkelstein's review. But if you are really interested in the topic, attend any history course taught in any Israeli university of international standing, where the stupidity of that meme doesn't circulate.Nishidani (talk) 21:13, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
User:JoeFerrari Using that source to support the claim you are making would seem to be a fairly clear case of WP:OR, which is against Misplaced Pages policies. Skllagyook (talk) 21:20, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
It sounds like this editor has dived into the propaganda pool.
Here is some actual information:
  • Travelogues_of_Palestine#Debate_over_mid-nineteenth_century_depictions.
  • Christison, Kathleen (28 November 2001). Perceptions of Palestine: Their Influence on U.S. Middle East Policy. University of California Press. ISBN 978-0-520-92236-5. jaundiced observations of Palestine and Palestinians, publicized in his 1869 account of travels through Europe and the Holy Land, The Innocents Abroad, have made him a favorite with proponents of Israel ever since... In modern times, Twain's exaggerations have become grist for the mills of those who propagate the line that Palestine was a desolate land until settled and cultivated by Jewish pioneers. Twain's descriptions are highlighted in Israeli government press handouts that present a case for Israel's redemption of a land that had previously been empty and barren. His gross characterizations of the land and the people in the time before mass Jewish immigration are also often used by U.S. propagandists for Israel. Mark Twain's was only one of literally hundreds of travel books about the Middle East published in Europe and the United States throughout the nineteenth century that conveyed an image of Palestine and its Arabs; the image was almost without exception derogatory, although often less dramatically drawn than Twain's.
  • Orientalism (book)
Onceinawhile (talk) 21:22, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Nishidani, can't you just go ahead and archive this nonsense? I never thought I'd see Mark Twain cited as an authority of some kind in an ARBPIA article. Drmies (talk) 02:20, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
I never archive things. Don't know how to. Then, one never knows. Some people out there may be the victims of memes like this rubbish and sincerely trust in them, and if they can get a little advice from editors on wiki, all the better. Of course, this should stop here and not develop into a thread, which would be time-attrition when much work is needed elsewhere. Nishidani (talk) 08:32, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

The region has not been Arabized after Islam

The area was not Arabized in any way after the Islamic conquest. Rather, it was Arab in origin. It was ruled by the Ghassanids, the Arab Christians allied with the Byzantines, and before the Ghassanids, it was ruled by the Nabataeans (for knowledge). The Romans used to refer Arabia petrea See before islam Ghassanid Kingdom Arabia Petraea Tanukhids Also read Muslim conquest of the Levant And not the Arab conquest of the Levant in the region. It was only Christian Arab before Islam Samlaxcs (talk) 15:20, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Arabization refers to the adoption of Arabic, forms of which had been current, especially in the south since the 5th century BCE. But it only became a nation wide lingua franca with the Arab conquest, replacing koine Greek and Aramaic. But that process, like the conversion of Christians and other groups to Islam, took some centuries.Nishidani (talk) 15:30, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
The overwhelming academic consensus is that the area now being Israel and Palestine was Christian (religion) and Aramaic-speaking (with some Greek) prior to the arrival of Islam (and for some time after). Jeppiz (talk) 18:42, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

The term "Arabization" refers only to a region that was not Arab, and after the Islamic conquest it became Arab and Palestine is not one of them but it was before islam rule by ghassanid Samlaxcs (talk) 10:32, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it was a Christianity ruled by the Christian Arab Ghassanids and not another or different ethnicities Samlaxcs (talk) 10:37, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Newspapers as a source...

Jordan's population has grown so much by the influx of refugees and others so now the total population amounts to 11 million people. But the newspapers still write that Palestinians comprise half of the population! They also give a figure of 10 million people (sometimes they call them all for citizens) in Jordan while it is actually 11 million now according to the Jordanian Department of Statistics. Just saying it now here because I have noticed what the newspapers are writing (each source mirroring the other) and not because there is a problem in this article. It just shows why newspapers are not a good source for this - academic sources are the best ones. A good, newer study or other academic source would be good. In addition to this, after so many decades in Jordan of integration, the intermarriage rate between Jordanians and Palestinians must be pretty high so I am not so sure about this distinction but I am sure an academic source would look at that as well. --IRISZOOM (talk) 08:34, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Dhavendra Kumar, citation #39 spelling correction

The editor's surname is Kumar , need spelling correction from "Kuma" typo.Horacebaldwin (talk) 15:05, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

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