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Jat clans of Rajasthan

Almost every single article in Category:Jat clans of Rajasthan is completely unsourced, and I'm having a hard time trying to figure out whether any of these clans are notable or even exist. Would anyone here be interested in taking a look at some of these to see if they can be fixed or should be nominated for deletion? Lennart97 (talk) 14:46, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Maybe merge them into a single list? The sourcing problem is still there but as a list, I think notability is better defined. As they are, I think many would be deleted in an AFD discussion. Ravensfire (talk) 17:28, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for your reply. That could definitely be an option. Looking at the wider Category:Jat clans of India, there are quite a few beyond Rajasthan that suffer from the same problems. Maybe just add a list to Jat people? I don't think it would be disproportionately long given the limited number of clans and the very limited amount of information per clan. Lennart97 (talk) 18:22, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

This isn't the only one. THere are many such walled gardens, just look under Category:Brahmin communities of India for another. —SpacemanSpiff 06:30, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

The abundance of this type of articles is definitely a wider problem. As for the Jats, I've added a list of all Jat clans that we have articles on to the main Jat people article, and redirected all the unsourced stubs there. Their existence should still be verified by at least one source each, of course, but at least this way we have them all together. Lennart97 (talk) 14:07, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Nehru – Hagia Sophia – First publishing ?

In an article Jawaharlal Nehru refers to mosqueing of Hagia Sophia. The article seems to be written some months after 1935, has been republished as editorial selection for 2 part reprint by Mridula Mukherjee in w:National Herald India :

• Nehru’s Word: A tale of two mosques (17 Oct 2021) &
• Nehru’s Word: The Story of Hagia Sophia (24 Oct 2021)

Requesting help in finding out, when it was first published ,Books or news–media name and the name of publication?

Thanks

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 16:34, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

2020 Uttarakhand forest fires needs updated

The 2020 Uttarakhand forest fires needs some updating as it is notable enough for inclusion at Weather of 2020. I do not know Indian sources, so I cannot easily update the article. Just wanted to alert the WikiProject about it. Elijahandskip (talk) 06:08, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up, I'll work on expanding it. Naushervan (talk) 14:30, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Any Malayalam language Wikipedians around?

Greetings,

Since past few months as online social media activity among Malayalam atheist Ex-Muslims increased, some of their online activism is spilling over in some of en Misplaced Pages articles. No doubt their initial enthusiasm is in good faith but successfully writing and navigating among English Misplaced Pages's numerous rules is a different ball game.

If sooner atheist Ex-Muslims are not trained and mentored for working on en Misplaced Pages lot many of their effort can get wasted, since some of them are not using references expected to en Misplaced Pages standard, for example User:Atheist kerala used blog postings as ref. So if any Malayalam language Wikipedians around then please guide mentor and help users like User:Atheist kerala may be by informing Which Malayalam media with reliable editorial board can be used and translated for referencing on Misplaced Pages, how focusing first in draft namespace with articles like Draft:Ex-Muslims of Kerala may benefit and helping update that article draft etc.

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 09:08, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Siege of Malakand FAR

I have nominated Siege of Malakand for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Bumbubookworm (talk) 06:20, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Need immediate attention

Please some admin or senior editors close the AfD at Cyclone Jawad and move Draft:Cyclone Jawad to mainspace as its ready. 2402:3A80:6FD:B303:55D:9023:51BF:FF3E (talk) 10:03, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Madhu-vidya

 You are invited to join the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Madhu-vidya. Venkat TL (talk) 11:48, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Lakhimpur Kheri violence RfC needs input

Please see Talk:Lakhimpur Kheri violence#RfC about this incident being termed a 'mass shooting'

This is primarily a two-editor "pissing match" that has now turned into an RfC, with presently very low input, so it's turning into the same two-editor pissing match again. This needs to be settled, by uninvolved editors.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  01:13, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

@SMcCandlish the only user pissing on that page is you. I suggest you use the Template:Please see and avoid making such ridiculous comments about Rockcodder or me. Venkat TL (talk) 09:28, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Venkat TL Thanks for coming to my defence, but no thanks. SMcCandlish is right in this case. Rockcodder (talk) 09:43, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

You should only speak for yourself. Venkat TL (talk) 09:48, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

This is precisely why SMcCandlish is right. Rockcodder (talk) 09:51, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Ok, as you have said that Candlish is right. Can you stop pissing over the talk page. I have already asked you to #Please stop Venkat TL (talk) 09:58, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Garbhadhan (astrology)

 You are invited to join the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Garbhadhan (astrology). Venkat TL (talk) 15:56, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Hindu festival dates

Looking through the various wikipages pertaining to Hindu festivals, I find that there is no standard way of presenting the Hindu calendar dates in the holiday infobox. This leads to a set of problems / inconsistencies:

1. The months of all festivals that fall in krishna paksha are incomplete (Krishna Janmashtami, Karva Chauth, Naraka Chaturdashi, Maha Shivaratri). These dates must mention two months (to account for amanta and purnimanta tradition) which the wikipages never do.
2. Even in the case of festivals that fall in Shukla paksha, many of the dates are imprecise or plain wrong (Naga Panchami does not say which paksha the festival occurs in; Rama Navami says "ninth day of Chaitra" which is correct only in the amanta tradition, in the purnimanta tradition this will become 14th day; the term "day" should more correctly be qualified as "lunar day" etc.).
3. There is no consistency across festivals (See table below for a sample).

I felt this could do with some standardization. Hence, I have written a template {{Hindu festival date}} which presents the Hindu calendar date using Sanskrit terms (encoded in IAST). Wikilinks defined on the individual terms lead to more explanations of those terms. I have also defined these dates in the wikidata item for each festival (the template picks it up from there). I have used this template in the above festivals' wikipages. Now they are all consistent in specifying the date field in the infobox.

Question: Is my approach correct? I feel it is correct, but what is the opinion of other editors? Do take a look at the pages of the festivals mentioned above and state your opinion here.

Kishorekumar 62 (talk) 06:06, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

This sounds good to me, but I prefer your {{Hindu calendar date}}. Wikidata has issues with oversight and vandalism. But here, a sort of opaque linking of page name and wd item is what bothers me. Template fetches P837 of wd item which matches page name, if I understand this correctly; so if page gets renamed (or more likely wikidata entry is vandalised), this would break, right? Hemanthah (talk) 11:22, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Bipin Rawat § Rawat's caste

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Bipin Rawat § Rawat's caste. Venkat TL (talk) 11:36, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

2020 Assam gas and oil leak - improving

I'm looking for help with improving the quality of the 2020 Assam gas and oil leak article, especially with copy editing, adding images, and updating. There's substantial content there and I think we can bring it to Good Article status with a little effort. Please do chip in if you can. Thanks. - Naushervan (talk) 16:17, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Does anyone have access to this book?

Hi. I wanted to verify an edit from 2012 related to Jawaharlal Nehru. Does anyone have access to this book:

• Ian Copland (1997). The Princes of India in the Endgame of Empire, 1917-1947. Cambridge University Press.

Specifically page number 258 and the lines:
In July 1946, Nehru pointedly observed that no princely state could prevail militarily against the army of independent India. In January 1947, Nehru said that independent India would not accept the Divine Right of Kings, and in May 1947, he declared that any princely state which refused to join the Constituent Assembly would be treated as an enemy state.
DTM (talk) 05:23, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

References

1. Copland, Ian (1997), The Princes of India in the Endgame of Empire, 1917–1947, Cambridge, England: Cambridge University Press, ISBN 0-521-57179-0 pg. 258.
2. Lumby, E.W.R. (1954), The Transfer of Power in India, 1945–1947, London: George Allen and Unwin p. 228 -- via Internet Archive

Verified - see p. 237. However, the quote has been cherrypicked from multiple factoids about Nehru and I do not believe it to be a fair representation of the subject's complex views on princely states, as portrayed by Copland et al.TrangaBellam (talk) 05:28, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. DTM (talk) 06:05, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Suggestions

Does anyone have a topic or idea for a Misplaced Pages Signpost article?
Some background: I have six published The Signpost articles, the last being "The reach of protest images on Misplaced Pages" (25 April 2021). While I do have some ideas in mind for another, I was curious if I could find something else to write about. DTM (talk) 09:04, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Farmer protest victory is an international news. You can cover the wikipedia articles on it. Venkat TL (talk) 09:32, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Mohan Shrivastava up for deletion

• Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
• Mohan Shrivastava (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs|google) AfD discussion

Indian polititican. Question of notability. Inherent language problems. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:28, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

A request of help to access an Indian source (physical book only)

Greetings!

Could any of the good people around here help me to access an Indian book, which I'd need as a source? I've filed a request also at WikiProject Resource Exchange, but I thought more eyeballs on this would be better. The book is only available in a physical copy, and it seems almost certain that one won't find it outside of India, so...

Anyway, your help would be highly appreciated! I look forward to hearing from you, and thanks a lot in advance! Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 19:07, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

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