Misplaced Pages

• 14 Albert Agarunov

Created article and expanded it. The subject of the article was a participant of the Nagorno Karabakh war.

• 7 Church of Kish

Most of it (6/7) reverts: , , , , ,

Context of the reverts: The protection template is removed, Grandaster makes changes, Meowy follows, then Atabek makes a series of edits (results) followed by a minor edit by Grandmaster. Meowy reverts the changes and expands the article which is reverted by Grandmaster and again reverted by Meowy. Ehud Lesar comes out of nowhere and reverts. The rest of his edits on the article are also reverts.

• 7 Azeri Waffen SS Volunteer Formations

Reverts or deletions: , , . As for the rest, the articles history is very telling. (start checking from when Azizbekov began editing the article) Ehud, always finding his way.

• 4 Khurshidbanu Natavan

All reverts: , , ,

Context of the reverts: Hetoum removes this under the basis of original research. Grandmaster reverts, Hetoum reverts, Parishan reverts, Hetoum rewords and adds sources , Parishan reverts, Hetoum reverts, Parishan reverts, followed by Hetoum . Parishan reaches his 3 revert limit, Dacy69 reverts, then Vartan makes a change. Parishan, Dacy and Grandmaster all have now reached their revert limits, Ehud Lesar pops up out of nowhere and reverts. Later on he essentially continues reverting in that article.

• 3 Israel-Azerbaijan relations

With his first edit he creates a new section pushing strong pov again regarding the Karabakh war.

See the first paragraph he added. Second edit speaks for itself. . Third is a minor revert

• 3 Israel Democracy Institute

Created.

• 3 Azerbaijani Jews

Expands , the other two are minor edits. ,

• 3 Jews of Azerbaijan

Creates the article. Two other minor edits. , .

• 3 Ohr Avner Chabad

Creates it. Two other minor edits. , .

• 2 Ohr Avner Chabad Day School (Baku)

Creates the article. Minor expansion.

• 2 Bakcell

Creates, removes a website link.

• 1 History of Azerbaijan

Reverts this edit.

Context of the revert: An IP removes a section. Atabek reverts back to Grandmaster. Houshyar does not agree, he changes Aratta for Iranic groups, and removes the section again (revert) while removing another section. Then, Ehud pops out of nowhere and reverts.

• 1 Azerbaijan Democratic Republic‎

Minor edit.

• 1 Karabakh Khanate‎

Reverts Hetoum's edit.

Context of the revert: Hetoum removes the now defunct Azerbaijani Khanates category, Grandmaster reverts, Hetoum reverts, Parishan reverts, Hetoum removes it again and adds a reference. Ehud Lesar comes out of nowhere and reverts.

• 1 Meir Kahane‎

Minor edit. (Replaces the word "murder" with "assassination".)

• 1 Army of Azerbaijan‎

Minor edit.

• 1 Ethnic minorities in Iran‎

Reverts

Context of the revert: Atabek makes major changes which are reverted by Houshyar who requests a discussion. Atabek then makes several changes which result with this. Hajji Piruz reverts and as a result, Ehud Lesar appears again seemingly out of nowhere and reverts.

• 1 List of United Nations Security Council Resolutions 801 to 900‎

Adds Armenia-Azerbaijan

• 1 History of Turkish-Jewish Relations‎

Name fix

• 1 Soviet Union and the Arab-Israeli conflict

Minor fix‎

• 1 Arye Carmon‎

Creates the article.

• 1 Nagorno-Karabakh Republic‎

Reverts

Context of the revert: I think the article's edit history is sufficient for providing context.

• 1 Azerbaijani administrative divisions of Nagorno-Karabakh‎

Speaks for itself.

• 1 History of the Jews in Armenia‎

adds 3 paragraphs about a vandalism of a memorial.

• 1 Mother Armenia

changes liberation of Shushi to capture. ‎

Ehud's other edits and talk page contributions

Evidence presented by Grandmaster

Counterevidence to sockpuppetry allegations

Please see User:Grandmaster/Ehud. I responded there in much detail to Fedayee's evidence that was used as a basis to Ehud's block. Please see below a general assessment of the evidence that is provided as a proof that Ehud is a sock and not a genuine user.

The evidence that resulted in Ehud's block consists of 3 main elements.

1. Claims that certain arguments and geographic names are exclusive to Adil and not used by anyone else in in wikipedia or anywhere else.
2. Claims that since Adil used socks in the past then Ehud must be a sock as well.
3. Geographic location. Since Ehud resides in Texas, and Adil occasionally travels there, they must be the same person.

I will address these claims below.

1. This was the argument that was used the most, however quick investigation of the claims shows that there are no arguments or geographic location names that are exclusive to Adil. The argument that was used the most is that only Adil ever used the name of Geycha, which is one of historical names of the lake of Sevan in Armenia. Fedayee repeated that accusation so many times on various discussions, just some examples:

When you search in the talkpages, all the hits excluding one, point either to Adil and Ehud, for Geycha for the way Adil calls it by its "Azerbaijani" name. If you read Adil's claim, you will see those claims put forward by Adil are identical to the ones put forward by Ehud. Neither you, nor even Atabek have ever made those claims about Sevan, they were exclusively Adil's thing.

Who besides the Azerbaijani lobbyists like Adil Baguirov call Khojaly a genocide? Who besides Adil here had claims over Sevan, positions not even addressed by Grandmaster, not that I recall, while such questions were brought forth by Adil.

Nishkid64 repeated the same claims:

Adil was the first person on Misplaced Pages to make that point. Ehud Lesar made that exact same point, and given how it's not some universal view, it looks quite suspicious.

I addressed these claims in my counterevidence and demonstrated that the name of Geycha was used in Misplaced Pages articles and talk pages by various editors, including Misplaced Pages admins, at least since 2004 (!), long before Adil joined Misplaced Pages in 2006. Please see User:Grandmaster/Ehud#Re:_Ehud_and_Adil.2C_same_positions_and_ideologies. Same with other claims that Fedayee was alleging were exclusively Adil's. None of them are exclusively Adil's and can be found on talk pages of wikiarticles or Internet. It appears that the Geycha argument was the one that lead to Ehud's block. It was repeated by Fedayee over and over on various talk pages, and some admins eventually trusted it. However this claim was false and all that was needed to disprove it was to take a look at the history of a couple of articles in Misplaced Pages. Same with other names and opinions, claimed to be exclusively Adil's.

2. The argument that Adil used socks in the past cannot be a proof that Ehud is a sock as well. Plus, Fedayee provides inaccurate information by attributing to Adil accounts that were never proven to belong to him. Basically, every banned account representing the Azerbaijani position is now attributed by this group of users to Adil and on the basis of this it is claimed that Ehud is also a sock, however such claims cannot be a proof of anything.

3. Same with geographic location, which I addressed in my evidence here. Texas is not a village, it is a US state with more than 20 million of population.

As one can see, none of the above arguments can be a proof that Ehud was Adil's sock, since there are no "exclusive" names and arguments that could be attributed only to Adil and no one else, and the fact that Adil used socks at some point cannot be a proof that any other account banned in Misplaced Pages belongs to him and that Ehud is also Adil's sock, and many Armenian users are based in California, if we use the location as a basis for ban, then all Californian Armenians should be banned too as each other's socks.

As for speculations about Ehud's name, I do not recall Ehud ever claiming that he contributed under his real name, if I'm wrong, I would appreciate any proof to the contrary.

Harassment of Ehud

User:Fedayee, User:VartanM, User:MarshallBagramyan and User:Eupator were engaged in harassment of Ehud for many months. They claimed without any proof that Ehud was Adil's sock in blatant violation of WP:AGF, while failing to present their evidence for formal investigation to Misplaced Pages:Suspected sockpuppets, despite being recommended by admins to do so. Here's Fedayee accusing Ehud of being Adil's sock on cu page: Again:

Here Fedayee claims that MarshallBagramyan was referring to Ehud when he said that Meowy's "only block was because of an impersonation by AdilBaguirov".

But in December 2007 the occasional accusations turned into an open harassment campaign. Whenever Ehud tried to make a comment on talk, he was attacked and accused of being Adil. Examples. On talk of Nagorno-Karabakh VartanM responded to Ehud's comment as follows:

Wow!!! I was sure you would answer Ehud. Good to have back Adil Baguirov theories about Zankezur, Syunik, Geycha, Sevan etc..., I'm sure we all missed them. VartanM (talk) 06:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Then the same kind of attacks on Ehud continued on Khojaly massacre talk:

Adil, if you wish to continue contributing here you should appeal to the arbitration committee. And for your information Lesar is Sephadric not Ashkenazi. If you don't mind I will ignore you as a banned user. VartanM (talk) 06:59, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

When I asked Vartan to mind WP:AGF, Vartan said:

Assume good faith? He is a banned user, period, given that another user should have never been banned, it is unacceptable that Adil who turned the whole place into a battleground is allowed back just because a checkuser has been incapable of confirming anything. Had Adil been using one account like this one, I would not have any problem and will be ready to forget, but that he used parallel sockpuppets to revert war and push me and others who are not into restriction into one, I think is enough evidence that he did not change. The point is that while we know that various other new sockpuppets are Adil, lately Adil has been successful into escaping checkusers when we all know that it is Adil behind. So I hope you don't mind if I totally ignore Ehud. VartanM (talk) 18:35, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

When Ehud left his comment on WP:AE board, he was instantly attacked by Fedayee, who said:

Banned members have no say in this. You are banned so you should learn to face it. - Fedayee (talk) 03:09, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

WP:AE became the arena of most intense attacks. Fedayee was the most active harasser, he claimed that Ehud was Adil as if it was a proven fact:

It has been already demonstrated that your persona is a fake one. We will all treat you as Adil because you are Adil. - Fedayee (talk) 03:29, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

You know checkusers will not show anything and you know nothing has been demonstrated of that sort. Ehud is Adil, we already confirmed this, so please for your own sake stop claiming it was demonstrated, I will start believing that you know it and defend him. - Fedayee (talk) 18:39, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Adil, you see why you are banned now? Even under a new username, you just can't stop disrupting. - Fedayee (talk) 06:56, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

We have Ehud, who we all know is Adil. Fedayee (talk) 08:06, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

The only thing you do with your answers is to confirm more and more that you are Adil. - Fedayee (talk) 06:53, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

In the same post Fedayee stated that he was not going to pursue resolution via arbcom:

I will not be filling an Arbitration request, because my trust for the arbitration has reached an all-time low, I will only hope some administrators will use some of their time to go through the evidence. - Fedayee (talk) 06:53, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

However later Fedayee changed his mind about arbcom, but kept insisting that Ehud was Adil, at the same time claiming that User:Elsanaturk was Ehud as well:

So yes, I want a third arbitration too but only if this time it is taken more seriously. And yes Ehud is Adil, and evidence points that Elsanturk is behind this Ehud thing too, all that is needed is a new arbitration case with fresh blood… maybe the arbitration this time will be reading the evidence... - Fedayee (talk) 18:25, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Fedayee continued harassment of Ehud at Moreschi's talk page:

Moreschi, that Ehud is Adil isn't even a matter of belief but confirmation. - Fedayee (talk) 20:37, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Eupator also supported Fedayee's claims that Ehud was a sock:

I'm accusing Ehud of being a sokpuppet as well.

The harassment at WP:AE and other pages continued even after the sockpuppetry accusations were rejected by the admins at the WP:AE board:

The admin who placed Ehud on parole said:

I have no good reason to think you're a sockpuppet of anyone.

However despite all that Ehud was blocked, unblocked and reblocked, and the block was made without any discussion at WP:AE, WP:ANI or any other board and despite the previous conclusion at WP:AE that there was "No confirmation of sockpuppetry". Given that Ehud was not a single purpose account and was a long time contributor, I don’t think this was acceptable.

Comments on Vartan's evidence

With regard to the link to the restricted forum, I do not understand how Adil could have had any relation with it. Again, speculation with no proof. If this matter is indeed of any importance, I can explain how I got that link. It was provided to me by one Armenian wikipedian, whose name I’m not going to disclose. However I can give his name to arbitrators if needed.

As for me referring to Ehud as Azerbaijani, Azerbaijani is not just ethnicity, and since I believe Ehud is from Azerbaijan, he is in my view an Azerbaijani by nationality. Azerbaijan is multiethnic country, and not everyone who hails from my country is an ethnic Azerbaijani, but many people of various ethnic origins are Azerbaijanis by nationality.

VartanM keeps on mentioning various users, alleging that they are Adil's socks or somehow related to him, while many of them are well established editors. Previously Fedayee was mentioning User:Elsanaturk, now VartanM makes claims about User:Zondi, User:Malikbek and others. Why not requesting checkuser on all those users? Also, they can be contacted by email, if needed, I can do that and ask them if they wish to present their evidence and respond to any accusations. Alternatively, arbitrators or clerks can do that. However, it is still not clear to me how is that supposed to prove that Ehud is a sock? Even if we assume that all mentioned users are Adil's socks, can it be considered a proof that Ehud is a sock too?

Pocopocopocopoco

This user has been trying to prevent checkusers performed on editors representing certain position for quite some time. Here he was trying to prevent a cu on a bunch of suspicious accounts: , and stopped the argument only when the steward lar told him to. Eventually this cu revealed 5 sock accounts. Then Pocopocopocopoco turns the next cu on the same page into the large argument, and the cu clerk had to move the discussion to talk: Still Pocopocopocopoco continued protesting on the cu page, and it eventually turned into a total mess, as more names became added, etc. I don't know why this user is so concerned with cu procedure, which is quite routine and has been performed on myself many times. If one does not use sock accounts abusively, he has nothing to be afraid of. However Pocopocopocopoco's evidence and proposal on the workshop page leave an impression that they are intended to prevent certain users to file cu requests on another group of users. So far myself and Atabek helped the admins to expose a large number of sock accounts, I can cite many examples if needed. However when someone routinely tries to prevent cu, it looks very suspicious, especially when su returns positive results. In addition, this whole story with cu requests has nothing to do with Ehud.

Comment on Khoikhoi’s evidence

I commented on creation of Ehud’s account here: Basically, at that time it was not clear whether Adil will be banned or not. Only half of arbitrators voted by that time. Eupator and Fedayee had as much chances to get banned as Adil. I don't see that creation of Ehud's account somehow coincided with Adil's block, as Adil had a chance to remain in wiki same as Eupator and Fedayee at that time.

With regard to “jumping out of nowhere”. We have many users who do just that, i.e. If we block them all, Misplaced Pages would lose a number of users. Examples. Almost every Armenian editor turned up to vote for deletion of the category of Azerbaijani khanates: Some of those users turned up after quite a prolonged absence for the sole purpose of voting there. See for example Davo88 (talk · contribs), who has not contributed since 11 December 2007, but somehow became aware of the voting on 5 January. Before voting he made only one edit in December, one edit in November, and no edits in October. Or Hakob (talk · contribs). He appears only to rv quite obscure controversial articles, such as Paytakaran, Movses Kaghankatvatsi or Shusha pogrom, which he never ever edited before: Those accounts have as much chances of being someone’s socks as Ehud does.

With regard to UNSC resolutions. I created these articles in Misplaced Pages: United Nations Security Council Resolution 822, United Nations Security Council Resolution 853‎, United Nations Security Council Resolution 874 and United Nations Security Council Resolution 884, and these ones in wikisource: , using the same source, which by the way was the very first time in Misplaced Pages added to the article about Nagorno-Karabakh by myself back in February 2006, long before Adil joined Misplaced Pages, and used by me many times after that. Also, the source at vostlit.info, which is a historical account by Abbasgulu Bakikhanov, was also first time added to Misplaced Pages by myself and used by me many times. It was me who added it to the article about Karabakh khanate, and not Adil: Both Adil and Ehud reverted the article to my version and restored the source that was deleted. So argumentation that Ehud must be Adil’s sock because they both referred to those sources is baseless, in that case they should both be my socks.

As for Adil’s appearance in wikisource, as I explained in my statement to the arbcom, it was not a coincidence. Adil started contributing to wikisource after I emailed him and informed him that Ehud was banned on the basis of allegations that he was Adil’s sock. If Adil decided to contribute to another wikimedia project in the meantime, it is not against any rules.

Evidence presented by User:Khoikhoi

Please take special note of the third section. More evidence later. Khoikhoi 23:10, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Account

• At 18:22, 27 March 2007, with the first Armenia-Azerbaijan ArbCom case coming to a close, five arbitrators had already proposed to ban AdilBaguirov for one year. () Around six hours later, the account Ehud Lesar was created at 00:20, 28 March 2007. ()
• Besides one edit to the sandbox later that day, () the Ehud Lesar account would not become active until 08:23, 22 May 2007 (), by the time was Adil already banned. Compare to the Checkuser-confirmed sock Weiszman: created on 22:51, 2 March 2007 (), but not fully active until around early April. ()

Behavior

• As I mentioned on WP:AN/I (), Adil has a pattern of coming out of nowhere and jumping into edit wars. In particular, you can see this illustrated in the article Karabakh Khanate. Adil's first and only edit to the article is a revert (), followed by a comment on the talk page. ()
• Around five months later, Ehud makes his first and only edit to the article, which is also a revert. () Compare the edit of Adil with Ehud's edit: not only are they similar in point-of-view, but they also cite the exact same source (vostlit.info). Ehud followed his revert with a comment on the talk page as well. ()
• In mid-June 2007, an edit war broke out on Ethnic minorities in Iran. AlexParKinson, another Adil-confirmed sock, (), pops up and gets involved in the edit war (01:08, 20 June 2007). () A user who also appeared on the article solely for the prupose of reverting was in fact Ehud Lesar (03:26, 15 June 2007). () Notice the similarities between AlexParKinson and Ehud's edits. In addition, note that each user only made one revert each to the article.
• The article Church of Kish has often been a battleground between Armenian and Azerbaijani users. However, it has been confirmed by CheckUser that at least three of the Azeri users that have edit-warred on the page (DrAlban, Aramgutan, & Otvetniyudar) are in fact socks of Adil. () In addition, Ehud's edits to this article are of a similar nature, and all of them except one have been reverts. (, , , , , )

Other

• On 06:12, 29 June 2007, Ehud created a now-deleted page: UN Security Resolutions on the Nagorno-Karabakh War. () The entire article was basically a copy of "1993 UN Security Council Resolutions on Nagorno-Karabakh", from the U.S. Department of State website.
• Interestingly enough, Adil has a history of using this exact same link several times: once on 05:49, 13 February 2007, (), and second on 06:37, 9 June 2006 (),
• Even more intriguing, Adil registered with Wikisource on 19:53, 19 April 2007. However, he did not become active again until 19:00, 16 January 2008, (), one week after Ehud Lesar was blocked on Misplaced Pages. () Adil's contributions on Wikisource are very closely related to the UN Security Resolutions article that Ehud created. In particular, see UN General Assembly Resolution A/RES/48/114 on Emergency international assistance to refugees and displaced persons in Azerbaijan (20 December 1993). ()
• Finally, Adil created similar articles on Misplaced Pages such as Azerbaijani Genocide (), and Treaty of Kars text. ()

Evidence presented by uninvolved User:Atabek

Checkuser on User:Ehud Lesar and User:AdilBaguirov

Checkuser results on relation of these two contributors were negative . So were the two following checkusers on User:AdilBaguirov declined - , .

User:Fedayee and User:VartanM violated WP:PRIVACY and WP:HARASS

Charges brought up by User:Fedayee and User:VartanM that User:Ehud Lesar is not really Jewish have no supporting evidence, do not serve as a reason for accusing someone of sockpuppetry or questioning identity, and are violations of WP:HARASS. Accusing someone based on dislike of his account name being associated with a certain ethnicity is in violation of WP:PRIVACY and WP:HARASS. I will add diffs on this later.

User:Fedayee and User:VartanM violated WP:HARASS

User:Fedayee is known to make frivolous claims on Azerbaijani contributors:

• a) He claims "Atabek, unlike what you write, Zangezur and Geycha claim was in fact specific to Adil,", however, as evidence shows there are two independent sources , , which cannot be attributed as even being created by User:AdilBaguirov.
• b) He made an accusation at WP:ANI against me, claiming "given the possible relations between Atabek and Adil off-wiki", while when asked to produce evidence, his response was "You know I can not provide the evidence here so why are you bothering asking?"

VartanM claims

Regarding this claim by VartanM . I would be delighted if he presents any evidence linking me to AdilBaguirov publicly(!), when he is not even aware/cannot prove my identity. Same applies in Ehud Lesar case. Moreover, I do demand that both VartanM and Fedayee are properly judged by the Arbitration Committee based on their persistent harassment and targeting of contributors' personalities, moving beyond the limitations of content discussions. These severe violations of WP:HARASS, WP:PRIVACY and WP:AGF have absolutely NOTHING to do with intent, objectives and activity of Misplaced Pages.

VartanM targeting of contributors along national lines

Seeing the fruitlessness of his effort with Fedayee to prove that Ehud is Adil, VartanM is trying to connect any other contributor including inactive User:Batabat and User:Zondi to him (see his evidence claims above). VartanM claims that Zondi is connected to Adil because both know editor of AI, Betty Blair. The claim is ridiculous, because Azerbaijan International is the most popular magazine about Azerbaijan published outside of the country. So claiming that two people must know each other and coordinate just because they know the editor, void of any factual evidence, is nothing other than a false attribution without facts. Adil's article is published, hence anyone can read it without necessarily knowing Adil. Overall, such frivolous evidence is yet another proof that VartanM has no other major objective but to turn Misplaced Pages into battleground along national lines.

Targeting of banned User:AdilBaguirov and User:Ehud Lesar

• Despite this checkuser , the blocking admin still asserted that User:Londium a sock of User:AdilBaguirov without any evidence produced.
• No evidence was produced by the reblocking administrator in Ehud Lesar case to the claim :

• Grandmaster and Atabek have now hinted that Ehud Lesar's real name is not "Ehud Lesar", as he had claimed many times before on-wiki and through e-mail.

Whether Ehud Lesar is a real name of contributor or not does not establish the fact of him being a sockpuppet of someone else. Using this as a justification for block is in violation of the very first sentence of WP:PRIVACY:

• Misplaced Pages requires no personal information from anyone who wishes to edit it.... Some editors use their real name for their account, most others use a pseudonym.

Comment on Khoikhoi evidence

The argument that Ehud must be Adil because he created an article on UN Security Council resolutions on NK, while Adil always used them as favorite reference does not seem to be a valid reason for blocking Ehud. In fact, here is my discussion of resolutions with Khoikhoi on his talk page - . So did Grandmaster refer to resolutions as do many other Azeris, as are resolution texts publicly available online at US State Department's special page. Atabek (talk) 07:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Evidence presented by Fedayee

Ehud and Adil, same positions and ideologies

This will be a modified version of my evidence page. I removed things which I felt were not necessary to provide anymore and I hid a piece which the Arbitration could check if they wish that they need more material. I will probably add more depending on what other users add as evidence. (I will not answer to counter-evidence but rather, supplement more)

Ehud Lesar, who claims to be a Jew, supports positions exclusively supported by extreme nationalists in Azerbaijan and also supports an exclusively Adil myth on Lake Sevan (located in the republic of Armenia).

AdilBaguirov wrote: Thus once more, if Shaumyan declared some independence, then definitely so did Zangezur and Geycha in Armenia.

AdilBaguirov wrote: That is most of Zangezur, Geycha, and certainly all of Karabakh were recognized by US as legitimate parts of Azerbaijan.

Ehud Lesar: Let me give you an example for you to understand the same pro-Azeri effect if one creates an article on Geycha and Zangezur Republic, or whatever a group of Azeris may call it. I think it even has some sort of an official name. That group of Azeris claims these territories, i.e. Zangezur, or Syunik province of present day Armenia, and Geycha district, or Sevan province of Armenia today, are Azeri territories and historically have been.

When the similarities between Adil’s and Ehud’s positions are raised, Ehud Lesar writes: If one or other user shares the same views on Zangezur (Syunik) and Geycha (Sevan), that doesn't mean I have be one of them.

If we search on talkpages, we find that only Adil has ever talked about any Geycha Republic. We see here on the map (the Azerbaijani representation of then republic) that while Zankezur was disputed by Azerbaijan, Sevan WAS NOT! Also, Ehud is not using the proper word Sevan (Geycha) but continues to say Geycha (Sevan), a land which is not disputed and part of the republic of Armenia. Only Adil did this.

Ehud considers what happened in Khojaly a genocide and calls it extermination. . Hmm, who calls it genocide? Azerbaijani and Turkish lobbyists, and of them probably the most known, Adil Baguirov who has an article published in the Turkish Weekly (referred by Vartan) on Khojaly Genocide Here is what he lists: including those in Rwanda, Bosnia, Algeria, etc. Excluding Youtube (both first hits from Google are youtube videos loaded by Turkish users), the first text material about Algerian Genocide comes from an article again by the Turkish Weekly where as Vartan mentioned, Adil has published several articles. The Jews were one of the groups who suffered the most during the Oran massacre and the subsequent crimes… intimidations which prompted them to nearly entirely leave Algeria, unusual to include Algeria as a matter of fact by a Jew. And witness how in his list the Armenian example is missing… in fact Ehud, just like Adil, denies the Armenian genocide: but I do condemn any Turk who committed massacres of Armenian civilians as much as I condemn any Armenian who committed the same acts on Turkish civilians 100 years ago. Ehud is a supporter of the ridiculous “both-sided massacre” revisionist claim which is maintained by those who deny the Armenian Genocide and mainly supported in the West by Justin McCarthy, whose article the socks of Adil have also edited. , , , , , , , .

Ehud Lesar, in light of the various socks and impersonation of Adil of other nationalities

Adil has already impersonated being English, Armenian, Uzbek, Kazak, Jewish, and Iranian.

Weiszman (Adil Baguirov’s sock) registered on March 3 and only started contributing on articles on March 21 2007, then his next contribution will be on April 3 2007, in the meantime Ehud Lesar was registered (March 28 2007). Ehud Lesar’s registration date coincides with one event: the confirmation that AdilBaguirov will be banned. In the voting process of the arbitration committee, Paul August from March 27 to 28 started making different proposals opposing various bans, though he will end up supporting AdilBaguirov’s ban. By this support, AdilBaguirov knew that his fate was settled and it was only hours later that Ehud Lesar had registered. Ehud Lesar, while having registered on March 28, didn't edit until May 22 2007. Weiszman will be editing until April 11 2007, he will get caught and consequently banned.

I'm hiding this part, arbitrators may press 'Show' if they need supplementation

Background: On 15 May 2007 Earthdream appears in support of Atabek’s tag of Turkophobia, and proceeds by revert warring and so on. He continues with another account (Zipirtich), created the same day. Just after, another account was used, continuing where other accounts left off. And again, yet with another account, , another and another . The accounts not banned will later return and will be subsequently banned. Then, there are no socks for 6 days. On May 22 2007 Ehud Lesar started editing; he'll stop on June 15 for a while. From May 22 to June 15 there are no socks of Adil reported; the socks will only reappear after June 15. AdilBaguirov created his account DrAlban and started contributing on June 19, 2007, before he was caught the same day. He contributed on the Church of Kish and Movses Kaghantvatsi. , , , , , , , , , , . After he was caught, Zhirtibay continued , , . Here he impersonated a Kyrgyzstani, with Zhirti Bay. Checkuser has again FAILED to find any link between Adil and this individual, when it is obvious it is him, much like it was obvious that it was DrAlban. See for example the day both accounts were used. The same day DrAlban is banned, Adil creates another account, this time Aramgutan, pretending to be an Armenian. He'll continue where DrAlban has left off, of course, , , , , , , , , . He is banned and “co-incidentally”, another user appears, Otvetniyudar, and continues, ... all the same. He is banned and then, another user appears, another Armenian, HachikTumanyan (a weak attempt at trying to make the name sound Armenian, I must add) . Another account is created, , Adil pretended now to be English. Banned, he continues his editing in Iranian-related article, with again an Armenian term (another weak attempt). . Now, Ehud comes in, 4 days after the account is banned (I have probably missed or others have missed sockpuppets which would explain the 4 day gap that is missing). He first edits Jewish-related articles, but then adds the UN related pages regarding Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict. The pages are deleted, but Administrators can view them, the one created by him on 06:12, June 29 2007. He also created on 03:51, July 2 2007 the resolution 822 and 853, on 03:52 he created the resolutions number 874 and 884. The one accessible to public remains this. . AdilBaguirov was the user who added those resolutions’ links in the articles prior. , . After few edits, he starts editing the Church of Kish article and its talkpage supporting Grandmaster etc. , , , , , , , , , , . Then he edits the Movses Kaghankatvatsi talkpage, the other article that was edited by Dr. Alban and some of the other socks. . His contributions could be described as reverting Armenian users to the versions of Azerbaijani users. He then engages in changing Azizbekov’s changes or reverts them in support of the Azerbaijani editors who were opposing those changes. , , , , , , . He resumes his revert war by reverting Hetoum I on Church of Kish. Reverts VartanM on Khurshidbanu Natavan. Again reverts Hetoum I, claiming Karabakh Khanate to be Azerbaijani. , change on Khurshidbanu Natavan to turn the coverage into destruction by Armenians. , . The only thing which seemed to stop the socking in three different situations was the presence of Ehud. Adil Baguirov has been using various different names prior and after Ehud contributed. Ehud was registered in the interval of hours after it was confirmed that he will be banned, a week prior the case was closed.

Batabat, Ehud and Adil

Batabat (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Grandmaster and LaraLove say that Ehud contacted them and offered to talk to them on the phone or webchat . This is similar to what User:Batabat offered when he was blocked as a single purpose account.

These are his first four contributions on Misplaced Pages. , , , . Replaced Persian with Turkic (Adil did this numerous times). Then the next thing he does is to go to Khoikhoi's talkpage to defend Adil, ehmmm…, I mean "Dr. Baguirov" using his words. , . Then the next thing he does, he votes to keep the FORK article , , and then he voted to oppose an FA article. . He becomes member of the Azerbaijan Wikiproject. Then he pushes Adil’s sarcasm to its end, with a 100% Adil comment on his userpage. After that comment he is blocked as a sock. This obvious sock then wants to be unblocked. , he emails an Admin and wants the email to be posted here. Check the similarities; he proposed to call him or webcam him to prove his identity. Batabat, after being unblocked, claims that he has to finish two books effectively excusing his future absence. This was on March 13, two days after the Church of Kish article was created. The logical explanation would be that the email to the Admin was made hours or a day or two later, which closes the gap for those two days. Fedayee’s assertions are without a doubt correct, such obvious cases with a mountain of evidence would normally not even require a checkuser.

The above evidence was originally posted by Eupator on AN/I, it has been altered to correspond with the rest of the evidence.

Promoting Adil

You're free to be either obsessed with or pretty much obviously impressed by him, but please stop dragging me into "being" someone I am not just NOT. Here, Ehud Lesar is claiming that another member is obviously impressed by Adil who thinks a lobbyist who acts as an ambassador of Azerbaijan in the United States is someone to be impressed with. He repeated this more recently: I must say that it's rather positive that you're so impressed by Adil Bagirov; so impressed that you happen to follow his life cycle, but I think you should free your mind from the name Ehud Lesar. Ehud knows that we know he is Adil, this comment is the same sort of sarcasm Adil or his other socks were using.

Admission by others

• User:Grandmaster claims that "...Armenian users, who want to get rid of one of Azerbaijani editors".
• User:Atabek suggested that Ehud Lesar might have been a made up name. ..."argument about Ehud Lesar's username has absolutely no relevance to the question whether he is Adil or not. There is no Misplaced Pages rule that says a contributor is not allowed to register a username of his choice." .

Adil and Ehud live in the same geographic location

By his own admission, Ehud Lesar lives in Texas which is similar to Adil who splits his time between Washington, D.C. and Houston, Texas, where he works for an international energy consulting firm.

More will follow

Evidence presented by User:Ehud Lesar

Ehud Lesar’s complete history of edits

I will not be re-posting what I had posted on my talk page already. The All of the evidence and response from Ehud Lesarshould be enough for Administrators to read through and analyze the evidence.

I will write below all of my involvement in Misplaced Pages up to the date I was blocked. I understand there are limitations of text and diffs not to overwhelm the Committee's work; however without looking at each diff, it is rather hard to understand why we're here at ArbCom considering the case, and why Armenian users have been skipping some diffs and showing only what they want administrators to see.

I get interested in Misplaced Pages in early January, 2007. I read many articles, especially the ones related to Israel and Azerbaijan. This is the primary area of my study. Hence the interest. I make my first try out on March 28, 19:05 in Misplaced Pages: Tutorial (Editing)/sandbox. From that day on, I did not have time to start at Misplaced Pages project due to personal family reasons.

May 22, 2007 and first article I create a new article related to a National Hero of Azerbaijan of Jewish origin. Since this is my first time, I insert the text into the article, insert tags, parenthesis, etc., by looking at other articles; A user named User:Zondi (perhaps admin) corrects my mistakes The following few edits are due to the lack of experience. In any case, I am posting them here one by one: , , , , , (edit made the next day, i.e. May 23, 2007), , . From this point on, the first article created by me, is edited by User:Zondi again, then by User:Parishan. Then, on May 24, I try to add a picture and use it in the article. . It is then corrected again by User:Zondi by moving it to float right. Then I read the instructions on placing the picture in the article, image resolution specifics, etc., and enlarge the image.

June 5, 2007 I edit the article again, presenting the facts , and so on. From the date of my first article, May 22 until May 24, I edit only this article, making only very minor edit here .

May 28, 2007 is the Independence day of Azerbaijan Democratic Republic. I go to that article to read and make a minor spelling correction .

Until June 5, 2007 I do not make any edits, and once logged in, I make an edition in the article Albert Agarunov since it was on my watch list. Also, on the same and next day, I read an article on History of Azerbaijan, find a need to add information, and make a correction, which I do on June 6, 2007

June 9, 2007 I create my page after seeing other various user pages.

June 10, 2007 I also make additions to the article Azerbaijani Jews, by adding information relevant to the life of Jewish community in Azerbaijan I make a repetitive edit by re-saving the added text, because I forgot to write the explanation in the edit summary Then, I add tags for Jews of Azerbaijan and Khabad Or-Avner, the articles, which I was going to create soon after.

June 10, 2007 I create a page on a new organization in Baku Jews of Azerbaijan . I proceed with correcting and adding tags to the article I would create next , followed by a minor style correction .

June 10, 2007 I continue by creating the next article I wanted create on Khabad Or-Avner .

June 12, 2007 I expand and make significant additions on Israel-Azerbaijan Strategic, Security and Trade Relations, to the article created by user User:Atabek .

June 13, 2007 After a research, I add more information to the article including one of the vital sectors of Israeli-Azerbaijan relations

June 13, 2007 I create an article on Israeli-Azerbaijan joint venture Bakcell followed up by a minor correction .

June 15, 2007 I make an edit in the article Ethnic minorities in Iran where there was a strong POV and wrong naming of an ethnic group

June 26, 2007 After some research, I add more information to the article on Khabad Or-Avner Here I am struggling with technical difficulties , , . On the same day, that is June 26, I register with Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Israel for current and future Israel related articles. . I also edit my page adding information on my ethnic background and membership of WikiProject Israel

June 29, 2007 I add Armenia-Azerbaijan to List of United Nations Security Council Resolutions 801 to 900

July 2, 2007 I read articles and make research on Turkish-Jewish history and relations, and make a correction here . On the same day, that is on July 2, after research, I see a need for creation of another article on Israel Democracy Institute , followed up by adding a WikiProject Israel tag .

July 4, 2007 I read and do research on Soviet Union and the Arab-Israeli conflict On the same day, that is July 4, while reading about Caucasian Albania, I find an article on Church of Kish where I see a POV, which I remove Here you can see the discussion on the talk page of the article: . Reverting the article back to Francis Tyers’ version

July 5, 2007 I continue with discussion on Church of Kish and make a revert once . Same day, I find a discussion on talk page of Azerbaijan and make a comment there too .

July 7, 2007 I see a comment from User:Francis Tyers regarding user User:AdilBaguirov and reply on my page. This is actually one of the first tallks where Armenian users start attacking me with accusations

July 10, 2007 I post a message on admin Mackensen’s page about addition of my name to arb com

On July 11, 2007 I undo the last revert of Hetoum because of POV and on July 12 I leave a comment on the talk page and revert it to previous version

July 13, 2007 I leave a comment . July 17, 2007 I leave a comment July 21, 2007 I leave a comment on Movses Kaghankatvatsi talk page . This and Church of Kish are on my watch list.

August 1, 2007 minor edit on Israel Democracy Institute page A few minutes later I create an article on Dr. Arye Carmon

August 2, 2007 I add the name of the Institute in Hebrew

August 8, 2007 I find an article on Azeri Waffen SS Volunteer Formations and see POV pushing by a new now-blocked User:Azizbekov. I make the corresponding corrections , asking for sources . Azizbekov reverts and starts personal attacks (please see his edit summaries) My replies follows.

August 9, 2007 I am filing a complaint on user Azizbekov's harassing remarks and personal attacks Undoing Azizbekov’s POV and leaving a comment on the fact that sources are not provided

August 12, 2007 I make neutral edits changing a heading from biased to neutral language and adding other significant data Here , I post an extensive reply to user Azizbekov and his ethnic attacks. Here I leave a message on admin Thatcher’s page about User:Azizbekov’s unacceptable behavior and attacks on my ethnicity from Armenian users.

Here I make a minor edit and remove the picture which was actually a picture of Armenian soldiers in Greece, not Azeri ones and leave a corresponding comment .

August 26, 2007 I change the heading to “Participation” with a comment on the talk page Same day, that is August 26, I reply to user User:Zulfugar who left a comment on my page about the issues related to article Azeri Waffen SS Volunteer Formations:

September 6, 2007 I find an article Khurshidbanu Natavan of Misplaced Pages while researching on Karabakh khanate through search engines, and after reading and comparing the article versions, and reading the talk page discussion, I reverted it to the version which was not biased. , followed by a comment on talk page Same day, that is September 6, I leave a comment on one of my watched articles Church of Kish, urging user User:Hetoum to come to consensus and revert the article to the previous version until users reach an agreement.

September 6-7, 2007 I participate in the discussion, leaving a comment , and making a revert ; presenting evidence on the picture of the bust and its destiny: .

September 7, 2007 I also participate in discussion for Karabakh Khanate and leave a comment followed by an undoing of User:Hetoum's edit, who previously deleted the sourced neutral information .

September 10, 2007I leave a comment on Khurshidbanu Natavan article talk page and make the edit in the article . On the same day, I leave a comment on Meir Kahane article talk page and make the corresponding edit in the article itself. Leaving a comment on Khurshidbanu Natavan page: and making a corresponding change in the article:

September 11, 2007 I make a revert from previous revert by anonymous user , and leave a comment on the talk page

December 19, 2007 I find discussion on Nagorno-Karabakh talk page interesting and join in

December 20-21, 2007 I participate on talk page discussions for articles on Nagorno-Karabakh and Khojaly Massacre , , , , , .

December 22 through December 31, 2007 I participate in Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement discussion, leave a few comments on pages, vote , make reverts on biased editions such as this , and this , reply on Fedayee’s accusation , add new data to the article History of the Jews in Armenia , undo an edit by anonymous (while leaving a comment on talk page )

After I am placed on a 6 month revert parole by admin User:Moreschi, I leave a comment with request on his page to which he replies

December 29, 2007 I also leave a comment and make edit in the article making it neutral Mother Armenia .

January 1 through 5, 2007 I leave a couple of comments , .

January 9, 2007I get blocked by admin User:Khoikhoi who was absent for some time and appeared on Misplaced Pages and blocked me right away .

Dates of Ehud Lesar's edits and Baseless allegations from Armenian users

In this section, I request Administrators to comment on the date and time analysis. On the following dates I was absent from Misplaced Pages, i.e. I was either busy, watched TV, hung out with friends, worked, was sick, studied or had personal reasons: (In order of my first contribution in Albert Agarunov article) * May 24-28, 2007

• May 28-June 5, 2007
• June 6-9, 2007
• June 13-15, 2007
• June 15-26, 2007
• June 26-29, 2007
• June 29-July 2, 2007
• July 2-4, 2007
• July 5-7, 2007
• July 7-10, 2007
• July 13-17, 2007
• July 17-21, 2007
• July 21-August 1, 2007
• August 2-8, 2007
• August 9-12, 2007
• August 13-26, 2007
• August 26-September 6, 2007
• September 7-10, 2007
• September 11-December 19, 2007
• December 27-29, 2007
• January 1-5, 2007
• January 5-9 (blocked)

Please note that the dates above indicate my absence which happen to be more than 24 hours. The claims User:Fedayee, User:VartanM, User:MarshallBagramyan and User:Eupator are making with me being absent during specific timeframes are completely baseless. Every single one of us has a personal life we have to contribute to, as well. One has to be able to take a break to go to have lunch, take a shower, go to the bathroom, do groceries, study, visit parents, meet up with friends and relatives, and spend time off the internet. The claims supported by Armenian users above are very illogical and make no sense. One thing is very important to note and take into consideration: These and several other users are doing and will do anything to get rid of me or any Azerbaijani editor, that is, a user not having a pro-Armenian stance. In order to reach that goal, they are trying to attach my name to a blocked user User:AdilBaguirov.

The name User:Ehud Lesar, my ethnicity and nationality

There is no doubt about my ethnicity whatsoever. I have Jewish blood as much as needed. I'm going to prove to a few Armenian users what my ethnicity is. It is just is what it is. I have as much Ashkenazi and Sephardic blood as there is and it's my pride. If I chose to reflect it on my user page, it is my decision. If there are 6 million Jews nowadays, it doesn't mean that they have segregated themselves and split into sharply cut Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews. For the information of Armenian users, both Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews do intermarry as much as they intermarry with Azeris, Russians, Turks and Armenians. Again, it's not my obligation to explain to Armenian users whether Ehud Lesar is my real name, nickname, or a user name in Misplaced Pages. Misplaced Pages respects privacy of its editors.

A few references

I took liberty to post a couple of links in response to some allegations from Armenian users, especially their comments on my views on genocide issues involving Algerian genocide. Jews of Israel and other countries actually have a number of different views: Please see Peace, Propoganda and the Promised Land to see a different view from commonly accepted thought about Jews, and what Jews think about Arabs, so on and so forth. You may also see this video with Azerbaijani Jews singing about Azerbaijan among which there are Sephardic, Ashkenazi, Caucasian Jews. Efforts of Armenian users accusing me of being a sock to present me as a "fake Jew" as well as claims that there are no Sephardic Jews in Azerbaijan are groundless. I am ready to cooperate and work with administrators to prove that I am not a sockpuppet of any other user. Meanwhile, as agree with the Committee, I will be editing on this page and arbitration-related pages only

A note on VartanM's comments

This is a section to turn your attention to my comment here on endless efforts of Armenian users to use any possible ways to accuse users and VartanM's latest comment above proving it right. Now, User:Zondi is accused just because he stated he knows the editor of Azerbaijan International. This is very illogical and childish to say the least. Betty Blair, who is the editor of Azerbaijan International has also met both the late President of Azerbaijan, Heydar Aliyev and current President Ilham Aliyev numerous times, and they, in turn, have met with both President Bill Clinton and President George W. Bush. Does that mean all users who know Betty Blair are related to the Presidents too and the Misplaced Pages project is just a big conspiracy? This is turning into a very childish game. Seriously gentlemen, how long will this continue? Add all other users who have edited my articles or commented on my talk page, and connect them to User:AdilBaguirov too, just to discredit my statements.

Ehud Lesar claims he didn't know Adil, which is very unlikely if not impossible Ehud Lesar is aware of almost everything in terms of politics, (oil, conflict etc.) but amazingly claims like said by Marshal: I don't know and want to know who Adil is and is not. , he will just recently claim: I AM aware of who Adil Baguirov is by now,... . Someone who is so much aware of all the politics, or obscure subjects such as Kish Church claimed at first that he didn't knew one of the most known current Azerbaijani figures in the West and who happens to work in Texas (where he lives). by User:VartanM

Again, User:AdilBaguirov is not the father of Azerbaijani Academia. And VartanM's statement above re-affirms my point I mentioned several times already: He really is impressed by Adil Baguirov (please read your own comments) but having a knowledge about oil, History of Azerbaijan, conflictology does not connect anybody to Adil Baguirov, does it? I did not know Adil Baguirov, but ever since accusations against me started at the end of last year, of course I got to know him through his contributions here. VartanM's desperate effort to twist my words in his favor deserves attention. So that Armenian users do not twist my words around again, I'll state here once again: I did not know Adil Baguirov. I got to learn his user name here in Misplaced Pages, after Armenian users started accusing me of being User:AdilBaguirov's sockpuppet; I got to read his articles in Misplaced Pages and in other online resources after I was blocked. Now I AM aware of who Adil Baguirov is, again, thanks to Armenian users. Ehud (talk) 03:54, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment on Khoikhoi's evidence

See... This is the part I am confused about, and moreover, this is the part what confuses others. Why usage of one particular issue should be made exclusive to someone when it is a part of Azerbaijani history? If one refers to UN Security Council resolutions taken from US State Department website, what's so exclusive about it? When you google it, that comes out, doesn't it? Any user who finds that text missing in Misplaced Pages, and wants to contribute it, will google it and it will come out as the first search result. Why is this even called an evidence? Or even, this Geycha/Zangezur argument. If one user, has mentioned, and even argued on it several times in Misplaced Pages, and another user talks about the same subject, what's making it so exclusive to the former user, and why can't the latter user argue or mention the same subject? Are there copyrights laws on these I am not aware of? If an Armenian user cannot access these data online, that doesn't mean the data doesn't exist or is not available in Azeri. Here is one more example www.tarix.az Ehud (talk) 05:34, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Evidence presented by user:Pocopocopocopoco

before using the last evidence template, please make a copy for the next person

Following discussion of Ehud Lesar's ban, Atabek and Grandmaster violated WP:POINT and WP:GAME by filing a checkuser basically to try to bludgeon editors they disagreed with

Following the lengthy discussion at ANI regarding Ehud Lesar where user:Steelmate and user:Andranikpasha were disagreeing with user:Atabek and user:Grandmaster, Atabek then filed a checkuser which simply to bludgeon Andranikpasha and Steelmate. Grandmaster later piled on by adding two additional blocked users to Atabeks pointy checkuser. Given that Grandmaster has recently (and in the past) used inconclusive results from 7 months ago against me to try to win an argument. Couple that with the fact that he asserts that the very reason that I am bringing this all up is due to the his belief that I am trying to "prevent a checkuser on myself". I think we can safely judge that this checkuser was being used in bad faith. Please see the remarks by checkuser user:Dmcdevit in the checkuser case: "Rejected. Please present a coherent case for why I should perform the check, and not this haphazard listing. This is the umpteenth time you've come here listing three or four different established identities and asking them all to be against some new account or other." when Atabek seemed to push further for the checkuser, Dmcdevit replied "Declined for the same reason. Please file requests coherently and with clear evidenc. Accusations against half a dozen known distinct people stinks of using CheckUser as a bludgeon against enemies."

Response to Grandmaster (and note to arbitrators)

The arbitrators rejected the motion to discuss past checkuser cases. Grandmaster sites his belief in a positive track record with regard to past checkuser requests as justification for his and Atabek's WP:POINTy checkuser request following the ban of Ehud Lesar. Note that I have only commented on what is relevant to Ehud Lesar above. If he is to be permitted to discuss the merits of past checkuser requests that are irrelevant to Ehud Lesar, I should also be able to post evidence to the contrary.

Evidence presented by Fadix (more of a comment)

I know this will be probably deleted, it does not matter as long as it stays here for a while. For those who care about this case. Be warned that Arbitration 1, 2 were covered to look like being a national ethnic conflict. WHICH IT WAS NOT! I discovered the game and wanted to present it on AA2, has gone to post in Fred Bauder page, on the Wokshop requesting a motion and started posting my evidences. Grandmaster knowing that an arbitrator was warned, not only this, but that I actually posted in the Workshop, Clerks all witness has gone to report me in report incident because he saw and knew I knew everything. Assume bad faith? Am I?

I have sent some evidences to an arbitrator. Just to say those ignorant admins that have not the slightest clue of what is happening here that I, Tajik, Meowy and another member were gamed to leave Misplaced Pages. Tajik professor was not Tajik, Tajik is an intellectual who Adil and his palls knew about and wanted gone. In all probability they’ve set an account to do the job. Check who are those who request the checkusers on Tajik and you will have your answer.

Marshal was wrong on the diff he has provided on Atabek conduct. Atabek did not remove the Armenian genocide mention on several articles to force me back and have my block extended. It was a warning sign soon after my sock was banned, because he knew I know what is happening here after I started exposing the authors relations. I recieved an email two days prior with various of my usernames used on various forums for several years and telling me poor Fadix now Armenian genocide references can be removed without any intrusion and that it does not need to be this way. A warning?

Grandmaster attempted to have Meowy banned with a finding of fact similar to mine because of Meowy off site activities. I will disclose to the same arbitrator if he wish, Adil action alert to an event covering this same visit by Meowy.

Another member, another intellectual was intimidated and threatned by Adil team, I will not disclose his name, one arbitrator is aware of this and I ask him to contact that member.

For those interested, Cornell, De Waal, Shaffer etc., are all authors who have personal relations with Grandmaster and the other members.

I was wrong on many things during the first case, but during the second I came back and tried to be unblocked without trying to invade any ban. I was answered that there was some consideration but then the same arbitrator reversed his decision even though admitting it would be unjust in my case. Offended and under the disruptions of Flavius I returned, I also emailed the same arbitrator and told him my intention to invade my ban. This after I have attempted on occasions to take the official door.

I then decided to make my case by presenting it to the arbitration, but as soon as I have shown an arbitrator my presence Grandmaster has attempted to silence me the same way they have done with Tajik, they have done by trying to have Meowy banned and threatned another member.

Atabek and Grandmaster have been playing the harassement card to prevent the truth being told. I request from the arbitration to read the evidences on Grandmaster conduct in Davo sandbox, read the evidence provided about Grandmaster on TigranTheGreat sandbox. This excludes six months period and exclude after AA2. Read also the evidence provided by Marshal during AA2.

Grandmaster has been using De Waal as a single source on several articles, the same De Waal who had prepared the recent work on refugees for the EU which was coauthored by Tabib a former member here who has relations with Grandmaster. All Shaffer and including Cornell have relations with. I have submitted to the same arbitrator materials proving that Adil, Tabib etc. have attempted to change encyclopedia entries on the region and now they’re selling their fringe theories here through De Waal, Cornell, Shaffer, authors with whom they are in direct relations because they aren’t able to have their fringes in true encyclopedia’s.

Batabat was not Adil, Fedayee and the rest are wrong..., Batabat is possibly Adil’s friend who lives in Budapest Hungry and who with Adil has attempted to have encyclopedia entries changed.

Those guys have made psychological profiles of the members here before even comming. Those newbies have reported me and Eupator to the very same admin which I was in harsh conflict with few days after they came. Those newbies knew my long time implication on Armenian genocide subject (see evidence of intimidation provided by Fedayee by Atabek in AA2). They knew how angry I become when I have to repeat. I can provide bunch of diff where I tell Grandmaster: You are not reading me before boosts of anger, after he repeats the same arguments over and over without actually reading me(it’s quite funny that only recently this came by after Meowy was blocked and repeatdly asked a review to finally have one admin check). And see here for exemple how it was calculated. , .

I have requested during the last case AA2, when I have provided the evidences, to read a discussion, in the two talkpages, I expose Atabek misquoting, he will misquote even after I fix it. Which makes it deliberate, and show the sources and document. Atabek was caught (again) doing the same things, (intellectually dishonnest). Then, my arguments were brought by the other editors, see here how he continues to refuse to address it but dismiss it entirly with the following remarks : VartanM, I believe the information contained in this article was also discussed with the sock of Fadix, from whose material Davo88 created his Sandbox. ‘’’So, provided that sock was banned, and Fadix's ban was extended by another year, due to persistent personal attacks and individual harassment, I don't see how the information contained there is supposed to have any credibility whatsoever.’’’ ‘’ Reading the discussion, Davo sandbox was only about the credibility of the authors, not including his misquotes and distortion of the sources.

Funny thing is that later Thatcher will come and answer showing that he HAD NOT CLUE of what he was even talking about.

All they have is to push this to look like Azeri-Armenian issues, and then on top of that when their game is exposed they shoot ‘’harrassement.’’ On Ehud, everyone who knows Adil will recognize his often very sarcastic answers aimed at provoking members. Here are few exemples comming from Ehud.

• • Again, broken tape starts to play :). Adil Baguirov Adil Baguirov. What's these theories have to do with Adil Baguirov? If you are so impressed by Adil Baguirov, why don't you start an article about him?

• • The whole answer, particularly: Vartan, I swear to God, I really enjoy your "investigative" work :) This is really amusing for me. I am very glad to see other users such as Adil Bagirov, share the same views I do. The investigative work is the harassement, which he finds pleasent and amusing.

• • Keep talking. Maybe this compensates your anger.

• • Do you guys mass mail each other and decide how to "treat" other users?
  • But please do continue writing. Otherwise it'll get boring.

• • Or, is it better for you that I am not checked so that you keep repeating the same melody over and over? I think the latter option suits your interests well and that's why you're inactive.

• • You are so brainwashed by your own ideology, that you don't give yourself a chance to look at the other side of the paper.

• This I am rather new to Misplaced Pages and here to help bring neutrality. Very uncommon for a new user to set in a heated topic and give himself as mission to bring neutrality to Misplaced Pages.

Check this out. First case Adil main argument : ‘’ to achieve his stated goal of banning me by smearing my name, in this case by bringing about a quote from FrancisTyers’’

And here is what Ehud says here : ‘’reach that goal, they are trying to attach my name to a blocked user User:AdilBaguirov.’’

Check how many times Ehud writes Bagirov without the u, before he claimed to know him he always wrote it that way, except one occasion I found, and it is presented above. The name Baguirov was written on several occasions, yet he didn’t correct himself, which sounds intentional.

Compare the provocation to the two diff I provided (his provocative sarcasm towards me).

You can find various such comments insiminated in Adil’s replies which the comment editor does not see. So when Admins claim that Ehud was only disruptive by edit warring, they again show how much outsmarted they are and they are unfit to even follow members around.

One last comment, I find it funny that Grandmaster bring Antranikpasha vandalism. From Antranikpasha answers, it really shows he was a new and genuine user. Some young guy who made mistakes then finally behaved. This is very different than an experimented intellectual who does not make any mistakes. This is whyfor exemple, Artaxiad, Ararate Arev, Rovoam and others are banned…, there was no sofistication in their action, how disruptive they were their disruptiveness was somehow genuine. This contrast clearly with a sofisticated, calculated and orquestrated action, which will require administrators who have above average intelligence. Such Admins were obviously lacking in those articles.

In fact, the only who were seing where the POV pushing was and countering them with evidences, all without exception were targeted (Meowy, me, Tajik and the other member). The arbitrators shall also take precious care to check how after my ban the target became Marshal. See how many times they targetted and harassed Marshal by various irrelevent reports cooked to look as disruption. They even had Adil socks forcing Marshal to revert war and then the same sock reporting Marshal. And again then, you have an Admin block Marshal claiming he should not have revert warred. They have tried to have Marshal in restriction in a calculated fashion. By which time I personally asked him to leave a bit those articles.

Anyway, that was all I had to say. This account can be blocked. But just one more comment. I find it funny that having tried to take the official door, no one took the care of oppening it when I legitimitly and without deception tried to be reinstated. But and obviously deceptive member (Adil), is given so much chances after everything he has done out here. And Sam, unscrupulously doesn’t even think worth including an indefinite ban for Adil, taking the occasion to do it, even when he thinks there is no enough evidence (I wonder what is the intent of the word ‘’credible’’ in his presentation). Suffice to say that the socks of Adil, for what they have attempted to accomplish worth alone and indefinte ban without having to decide on Ehud faith.

Otherwise, the irony would be striking. Imagine, none of my socks have shown any deception and the conclusion of a case where Ehud is absolved would also mean that my acts were much more disruptive given when both bans will expire.

But I guess this is one of the many more weakness of this system, and an insignificant one in comparaison to others.

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