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Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus. JPG-GR (talk) 21:00, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Some bird pages are reaching GA and FA status with common names and not by following the strict WP:bird rules (see Blackbird and House Martin). As this bird is known by most people as the "Nanday Conure" there seems to be no reason for "Black-hooded Parakeet" to be used, now that WP:bird rules are being used less strictly. Snowman (talk) 23:50, 3 March 2008

In my experience, birders are more likely to refer to the bird as the "Black-hooded Parakeet" while pet bird owners are more likely to refer to the bird as the "Nanday Conure". Neitherday (talk) 01:39, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I guess that is true, and it is known throughout aviculture as the Nanday Conure. Snowman (talk) 10:40, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Oppose per reasoning at Talk:Red-masked Parakeet. Sabine's Sunbird talk 19:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC) No longer gpoing to oppose per my comments at WP:BIRD. Sabine's Sunbird talk 21:08, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Support per nom. A Google search seems to bear this out 278 hits for "Black-hooded Parakeet" vs. 767 hits for "Nanday Conure". --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 22:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Even if Google was always an accurate measure of how commonly used a term was, the most commonly used term is not always the most encyclopedic term. For instance, Prince Henry of Wales is more commonly used than "Prince Harry". On Google there are over 15 times as many hits for "Prince Harry" than for "Prince Henry"; however the title of his Misplaced Pages article is "Prince Henry of Wales", which is as it should be. Neitherday (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
But it is more widely known as a conure. Snowman (talk) 10:05, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
For the record, I would probably support a move of Prince Henry of Wales to Prince Harry (or similar) if one were proposed. I think that the use of common names is a good thing. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 17:34, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
In the US, perhaps, but here in the UK the word is practically unknown. I've heard it because I'm interested in birds, but I almost certainly wouldn't have otherwise. Conures are termed parakeets in 99% of cases here. Black Kite 16:33, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Oppose see my comments above. Neitherday (talk) 23:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Oppose. I think Misplaced Pages should stick with the names used in science. —JerryFriedman (Talk) 06:22, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Featured articles like "House Martin" and "Blackbird" use the common names of the birds, so I do not follow your reasoning. It is because few people use the "official" names "Common House Martin" and "Eurasian Blackbird" in their English speaking ranges, and similarly most people know this parrot as a conure. Snowman (talk) 17:27, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

(Morally) support - more ghits on 'Conure', plus more is a exacting epithet than the general 'parakeet'. I'd still love to know why the anti-conure sentiment from the AOU...] (] · ]) 06:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Erm...huh? I don't follow your rationale BK...can you please explain? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:22, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Whilst both "parakeet" and "conure" are used interchangeably in different fields in the States, the former is almost universal in many other English-speaking countries. Try and search for "conure" in a British context, for example - the word is practically unknown. Black Kite 16:31, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Indianapolis Zoo= xConure
US Gov't = xParakeet
Taronga Zoo (Sydney)= xConure

Lotta people going every which way really...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

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Nanday Parakeet → Nanday Conure — To popular names of parrots. Snowman (talk) 10:55, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

  • Please add this list to the existing discussion at Sun Parakeet. -- Kim van der Linde 13:22, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
    • (note - this is not a vote on the above RM request)I don't know if that's a good idea. The discussion at Talk:Sun Parakeet is already pretty well-established and adding several more requested moves to it will probably derail things there and cause confusion. My own intention was to let that one run to completion before suggesting any more moves - to get an idea as to the degree of support for/opposition towards the 'new' names and decide whether or not it was going to be a waste of time and effort to open move requests for any others... --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 13:44, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Did you write your intentions down anywhere? Your move is only about the Sun Conure, and there is an appropriate way to do a batch move. I think that the discussion at the Sun Conure was going well, so I opted to start a batch request as well. Snowman (talk) 14:16, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

The discussion related to the Nanday Parakeet move is to a degree a duplicate of the discussion at WP:BIRD, of whihc I copy the voting here for reference:

Below has been copied from Bird Talk page by User:KimvdLinde in this edit Snowman (talk) 14:22, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

  • This voting (on the WP talk page) indicates that this page should not have been moved because there is no clear consensus to move this page. Also, I think that the page move should have been discussed here prior to a page move, so that a wider audience have a change to show their opinions. Snowman (talk) 14:17, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
    Please see: this WP:BIRD motion. -- Kim van der Linde 14:25, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
    I suggested that an independent person should close the discussion and help to decide to what extend a WikiProject can make up its own rules to make page moves. IOC WBL is not being fully implemented because some people have preferred to disregard IOC WBL name hyphenated names. Snowman (talk) 14:33, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
    Yes, and you have been the most vocal proponet of enforcing those names, so what it seems to me is that you are cherry-picking when to invoke the ICO names when it suits you, and not when it does not. I experience this as clear double standards. -- Kim van der Linde 14:56, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Support

  1. Support all. Per Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (common names). As far as I am aware, the original (Conure) names are long-established in many (most?) fields outside of ornithology and the 'Parakeet' titles are a fairly recent innovation. We should use the names that the majority of general readers will be familiar with. Also, the term 'Conure' is far more descriptive (by implying the land mass of origin) than is 'Parakeet'. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 13:55, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
  2. Support all as nominator. Snowman (talk) 14:16, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. IOC name. No new arguments after the WP:BIRD discussion. -- Kim van der Linde 14:14, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

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