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Tirgil34

Tirgil34 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

Populated account categories: confirmed · suspected

Older archives were moved to an archive of the archive because of the page size and are listed below:

For archived investigations, see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Tirgil34/Archive.

A long-term abuse case exists at Misplaced Pages:Long-term abuse/Tirgil34.



26 February 2015

– An administrator or SPI clerk has placed this case on hold pending further information or developments.

Suspected sockpuppets

Note to clerk: Please don't endorse a CheckUser yet, as i will add more socks tomorrow. Krakkos (talk) 21:29, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

On a sidenote, Henephon7's earlier edits to Subartu were actually restorations of material added by Til Eulenspiegel (talk · contribs), who is also a banned sockmaster. Krakkos (talk) 19:15, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Слушкы (talk · contribs) joined Misplaced Pages in December 2014, some months after the most recent discovery of Tirgil34 socks. He has only made one edit on Misplaced Pages, which is identical to that of SmithEdozen.
  • WorldCreaterFighter (talk · contribs) has a similar editing behaviour to Tirgil34, editing warring and making problematic edits to articles related to Central Asia, genetics, race and so on. Like Mountaindwellerman, he has been making significant additions to Turanid race after July 2014 block of Tirgil34 socks. He has also made significant edits concerning the origins and genetics of the Kyrgyz people, similar to Tirgil34 socks Su4kin Hirabutor and Agaceri (talk · contribs).
  • Éredet (talk · contribs) joined Misplaced Pages in August 2014, some weeks after a major discovery and blocking of Tirgil34 socks. His edits are only related to the geographic distribution to the "Turanid race", which is similar to similar to both a large number of confirmed socks and suspected socks of Tirgil34. Krakkos (talk) 01:02, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Mehmeett21 (talk · contribs) has a similar editing behaviour to Tirgil34, editing warring to promote Turkic nationalist views on Misplaced Pages. He seems to have a gig for adding Baklava Wikilove to Tirgil34's enemies, similar to Tirgil34 sock Ragdeenorc (talk · contribs). His first edit on Misplaced Pages was to imply that the Karasuk culture was Turkic. Sockmaster Tirgil34's first edit on Misplaced Pages was also to imply that the Karasuk culture was Turkic (Altaic).
  • Note to CheckUser: Please do not start a CheckUser yet. There are more probable socks that i will have time to add tomorrow. This will greatly help the investigation. Krakkos (talk) 01:50, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Akocsg (talk · contribs) has a similar editing behaviour to Tirgil34, promoting Turkic nationalist views on articles related Turkic peoples, Central Asia and so on. He has been blocked for sockpuppetry before. Akocsg's most notaly contributions are to Tengrism, Huns, Xiongnu which have all been frequented by Tirgil34 socks. On 6 July 2014, at the article Kurgan, Akocsg restores content added by Tirgil34 sock Ragdeenorc (talk · contribs).
  • Dontbesogullible (talk · contribs) has a similar editing behaviour to Tirgil34, promoting Turkic nationalist views on articles related Turkic peoples, Central Asia and so on. His edits are also very similar to Smart Nomad (talk · contribs) and Akocsg (talk · contribs). On 26 December 2014, Dontbesogullible restores content on Tengrism originally added by sockmaster Tirgil34 on 10 January 2012.
  • ArordineriiiUkhtt (talk · contribs) joined Misplaced Pages on 14 June 2014, at the time when numerous Tirgil34 socks were placed at the SPI. Almost immediately, he enters to the talk page of Florian Blaschke (talk · contribs) for advise on editing Wusun. As mentioned earlies, Tirgil34 has been editing Wusun with numerous socks. Florian Blaschke has long history of being involved in edit wars with socks of Tirgil34. In June 2014, Tirgil34's sock Ragdeenorc (talk · contribs) even managed to have Florian Blaschke banned after the latter was cleaning up his edits. Shortly afterwards he also enters the talk page of Kansas Bear (talk · contribs), who also has a long history of edit warring with Tirgil34. ArordineriiiUkhtt appears to have a different personality that the usual Tirgil34 socks, and is very similar to the blocked Tirgil34 sock Lamedumal (talk · contribs). Krakkos (talk) 12:26, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Sonerbcrc (talk · contribs) has a similar editing behaviour to Tirgil34, promoting Turkic nationalist views on articles related to Turkic peoples, Central Asia etc. After a year-long wikibreak, Sonerbcrc returned to Misplaced Pages on 26 June 2014, at the time when numerous socks later confirmed as Tirgil34's were filed at the SPU. At Hephthalite Empire Sonerbcrc misrepresents the sources to claim that the Hephtalites were Turkic. At Turan he does the same promote Saladin as a Turk. This typical Tirgil34 behaviour. Krakkos (talk) 13:30, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Kafkasmurat (talk · contribs) joined Misplaced Pages way back in 2007 to promote Armenian Genocide denial by blanking the article Armenian Genocide. He then took a five-year long wikibreak, but returned in January 2013, at the time when Tirgil34 and related socks were active on numerous articles. Kafkasmurat has since edited various articles about Turkic peoples, Pan-Turkism and Central Asia in a similar way to Tirgil34. At the talk page of Attila, Kafkasmurat argues that the name of Attila and his sons (Ellac) and grandsons are Turkic. Tirgil34 sock Agaceri (talk · contribs) has similarly made edits promoting the view that Attila's relatives (including Ellac) had Turkic names. Krakkos (talk) 15:12, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Uniquark9 (talk · contribs) joined Misplaced Pages in early October 2014, some weeks after a large number of Tirgil34 socks in late July were confirmed and blocked. Like Tirgil34, he has been engaged in extensive edit warring related to the ethnic history of Central Asia, for which he has been blocked numerous times. While Uniquark's outlook is Mongolic and not Turkic, one of his first edits is revealingly to label the Zionist militant movement Irgun as a terrorist organization. This is very similar to blocked Tirgil34 sock Tehiptilla Vanand (talk · contribs) labeling the Irgun as an irridentist organization. Earlier Uniquark9 makes an undue edit on Rahm Emanuel connections to zionist movements, which is similar to Tirgil34 sock Daru Dakitu (talk · contribs) edit on Ayelet Shaked. This dual focus on Central Asian history and Zionism appears to be a key characteristic of Tirgil34's editing behaviour, as also seen from the editing history of suspected socks Inal31 (talk · contribs) and Maghasito (talk · contribs) and the earlier mentioned blocked socks Daru Dakitu Tehiptilla Vanand and Lamedumal (talk · contribs). Recently, Misplaced Pages articles on Central Asian history, especially Xiongnu, Genghis Khan, List of Mongolic states, List of Turkic dynasties and countries, has been affected by severe edit wars conducted by a swathe of new users. Many of them have very similar editing behaviour to Uniquark9. These should be checked against eachother and Tirgil34. Krakkos (talk) 17:10, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Toghuchar (talk · contribs) joined Misplaced Pages in on 16 June 2014, one day after a large number of later confirmed Tirgil34 socks were filed for an SPI. Like Uniquark9 he has been making similar extensive editing to the ethnic history of Central Asia. Like Tirgil34 he has been engaged in edit warring, for which he has been blocked. Krakkos (talk) 17:32, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Ancientsteppe (talk · contribs) made his first edit on Misplaced Pages on 24 April 2013. Since then he has been making similar single-purpose extensive editing and edit warring to the ethnic history of Central Asia, with special focus on Mongolians and Mongolian sport. This is similar to the above-mentioned users, especially Toghuchar. Like Toghuchar and Uniquark9, he has been blocked for edit warring. He as claimed that Ergenekon is a Mongolian creation myth exactly like Khartakhan (talk · contribs) and Khorichar. These accounts almost certainly belong to the same person. Ancientsteppe appeared to have retired on 7 May 2014, but reappeared on 7 February 2015, showing that he is still active. Krakkos (talk) 17:54, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Anand 6789 (talk · contribs) has been editing on and off since 2011. Most of his edits are related to the ethnic history of Central Asia with a Mongolian outlook, and they are very similar to Uniquark9, Khorichar, Toghuchar and the rest. I'm a little unsure about this one but i'll add him just in case. Krakkos (talk) 19:46, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Teghudir (talk · contribs) joined Misplaced Pages in December 2014. Like Uniquark9 and others he has been making similar single-purpose editing to the ethnic history of Central Asia with a Mongolic outlook, making extensive blankings and content removals etc. Krakkos (talk) 20:59, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Ubold (talk · contribs) joined Misplaced Pages in July 2012 to promote the claim that the Xiongnu were Mongolic. After a two-year long wikibreak he returned in July 2014 to again promote the Xiongnu as Mongolic. This is a common claim made by Uniquark9 and other similar users listed. Krakkos (talk) 20:59, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

i cant believe that i am being accused as a sockpuppet. is this a joke or what? kazekagetr 13:36, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

(Above comment moved from case area) -- Orduin 22:42, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
It is worth mentioning that Yagmurlukorfez (talk · contribs) is a likely meatpuppet of Tirgil34 who was worked tirelessly to defend Tirgil34 and reinsert material by his socks. See this section on WP:AN. Krakkos (talk) 14:10, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
  • His current accusations about me proving he is getting paranoid on this subject. Krakkos accusing everyone who edit an article about Turkic peoples or Central asia. He listed over 60 user! Probably most of them supported each others on different subjects. Who knows who is sock or not? does it make you a meatpuppet? His charges too stale to be taken serious.Yagmurlukorfez (talk) 14:50, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
  • How in the world is User:KazekageTR on the list when A.) That user has been here longer than the accused and B.) has more edits than me? TheMesquito 18:52, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi, TheMesquito. As mentioned, he's been making similar edits to Tirgil34 sock Kleropides (talk · contribs) on Tauri. Finding diffs is hard because of the number of edits. You are however making a valid point and i'm considering to remove him from the list. Krakkos (talk) 19:32, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
I am skeptical in the extreme that KazekageTR is involved in any sockpuppetry. I feel certain the CheckUser will verify that. --IJBall (talk) 20:01, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

I am speechless, how in the world my name appears here? Isn't Misplaced Pages a 💕 or are there forbidden articles? Dashte Qom (talk) 20:44, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree. How did he even make such a long list? And I'm certainly not Tirgil34. --Evecurid (talk) 21:16, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
  • @Bbb23: I've noticed from the archive that you on 29 December 2014 declined a CheckUser on Bolanile (talk · contribs) because you considered him stale (at the time it was less than a month since his last edit). Bolanile however returned on 4 January 2015 and was confirmed as a Tirgil34 sock by coincidence after i filed a successful SPI on 16 February 2015 against Kervani (talk · contribs) and LazarozI (talk · contribs). It is quite surprising how conservative you are with regards to endorsing CheckUser on this highly disruptive editor. I'm curious, would you have endorsed the highly successful 25 June 2014 SPI against a large number of Tirgil34 socks? I fear that in such a scenario, these Tirgil34 socks would still be wrecking havoc on Misplaced Pages. Tirgil34 has done tremendous damage to Misplaced Pages's coverage of Central Asian history trough his disruptive editing and extensive sockpuppetry, and you are correct in identifying me as a crusader against such behaviour. It is of utter importance that the above-mentioned users be checked. Krakkos (talk) 01:59, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
  • @Vanjagenije: Are you really sure you want to endorse a CU? I have rarely seen such a list of supposed puppets. Some of them have very few edits, and many of them are stale, meaning a CU would be worthless. This looks like a crusading scattershot approach to tying accounts to a particular master based on supposed similarities in perspective.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:25, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
    • Yeah, there's clearly something exaggerated in this request. While there are certainly some socks in this list, I can see several among the names above that appear to share little with the sockmaster beyond the topic area; some appear to have been promoting POVs noticeably different from the sockmaster's supposed agenda, while there are also groups of accounts centered around several relatively distinct POV issues that only loosely overlap (in particular, is Tirgil supposed to have a pro-Turkish or pro-Mongolian ethnic agenda?) It's also concerning that some names have been included again repeatedly (in particular, Yagmurlukorfez (talk · contribs) has been listed in five or six previous requests, and again this time, even though he was cleared as technically unrelated the first time round.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:42, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
  • @Bbb23 and Future Perfect at Sunrise: Yes , I guess you two are Right. At the moment I endorsed the CU, there were only four suspected sockpuppets listed . The only non-stale account listed was Dashte Qom, and I basically endorsed the CU for this account to be checked. The evidence provided for that account seemed strong enough (like and ). I was not aware that the case filer would add dozens of other suspects. Vanjagenije (talk) 16:51, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
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