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WP:BIASED
The WP:NPOV#Bias in sources section confusingly starts by suggesting bad behaviour: to overcome this, I propose removing "A common argument in a dispute about reliable sources is that one source is biased and so another source should be given preference. The bias in sources argument is one way to present a POV as neutral by excluding sources that dispute the POV as biased."
In its place, the policy should start with the much clearer statement from the WP:RS guideline WP:BIASED section: "Misplaced Pages articles are required to present a neutral point of view. However, reliable sources are not required to be neutral, unbiased, or objective. Sometimes non-neutral sources are the best possible sources for supporting information about the different viewpoints held on a subject." . . dave souza, talk 06:54, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
- The current wording is strange, and the proposal is highly desirable. The current text was added 4 December 2013 by TParis (user page has a retired template). I can't find mention of it in talk. Johnuniq (talk) 10:25, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
Quantitatively measuring NPOV
It has bothered me for quite a while that we have no way to measure NPOV. I think this is one reason we argue about it endlessly. It occurred to me that such a measurement is in fact possible. I'll illustrate with a table below. Full disclosure: this was mildly motivated by a dispute I've participated in at Watts Up With That. But I can honestly say that I don't care about that dispute much; what really interests me is having a way to gauge how prominently an article mentions negative information about the subject.
In my opinion, a table like this could be helpful in providing context to NPOV disputes. Others are more than welcome to edit the table below. The paragraph and sentence refer to the first mention of the negative information. If it were in the title, that would get a value of 0. The version column links to whatever version of the article I examined.MissPiggysEx (talk) 22:04, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
- I've added a group column to the table for sorting purposes. The groupings are imperfect but still useful. For example if one sorts within the "tyrant" group, then by this measure, the negative information is most prominent for Stalin and Marcos, and by far the least prominent for Kim Jong Un. One could then discuss whether that is proper, or not.MissPiggysEx (talk) 13:31, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
| Article | group | negative information | paragraph.sentence | Subsequent | article date | version |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Hamas | terror | terrorist | 1.2 | 8 Sep 2015 | ||
| Hezbollah | terror | terrorist | 5.1 | 8 Sep 2015 | ||
| Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant | terror | Daesh; terrorist; war crimes | 2.1 | 3.1 3.1 | 8 Sep 2015 | |
| Al-Qaeda | terror | terrorist | 1.3 | 8 Sep 2015 | ||
| Kim Jong-un | tyrant | poor grades; awkward with girls | 9.4 | 9.7 | 8 Sep 2015 | |
| Kim Jong-un | tyrant | executions; cult of personality; nuclear threats | 24.3 | 26.1 44.1 | 8 Sep 2015 | |
| Kim Jong-un | tyrant | crimes against humanity; famine; cannibalism in NOK | 54.1 | 56.1 56.2 | 8 Sep 2015 | |
| Lenin | tyrant | red terror; dictator; human rights abuse | 3.2 | 4.2 | 8 Sep 2015 | |
| Stalin | tyrant | dictator; gulag; famine | 1.2 | 3.3 3.4 | 8 Sep 2015 | |
| Hitler | tyrant | dictator; ww2; holocaust | 1.3 | 1.3 1.3 | 8 Sep 2015 | |
| Mao Zedong | tyrant | famine; cult of personality; 40-70 million dead | 3.2 | 3.3 4.4 | 8 Sep 2015 | |
| Hugo Chavez | tyrant | economy faltered; murder rate; corruption | 3.4 | 3.5 | 8 Sep 2015 | |
| Vladimir Putin | tyrant | electoral cheating, undemocratic, political murders | 2.7 | 5.1 37.2 | 8 Sep 2015 | |
| Ferdinand Marcos | tyrant | dictator, corruption | 1.2 | 8 Sep 2015 | ||
| Church of Scientology | religion | cult | 3.1 | 8 Sep 2015 | ||
| Catholic Church | religion | ordination of women; sex abuse | 5.3 | 5.3 | 8 Sep 2015 | |
| Moral Majority | religion | helped Mondale; is neither | 14.4 | 16.2 | 8 Sep 2015 | |
| Intelligent design | theory | pseudoscience; no empirical support | 1.1 | 1.2 | 8 Sep 2015 | |
| Homeopathy | theory | no empirical support; pseudoscience | 1.2 | 1.3 | 8 Sep 2015 | |
| Watts Up With That | theory | denialist | 1.1 | 8 Sep 2015 | ||
| Smoking | drug | kills people | 2.2 | 8 Sep 2015 | ||
| Cocaine | drug | addictive | 2.1 | 8 Sep 2015 | ||
| Cannabis | drug | impairs memory | 2.2 | 8 Sep 2015 | ||
| Methamphetamine | drug | addictive; brain damage | 1.5 | 3.6 | 8 Sep 2015 |
RFC initiated re whether "Vulture fund" is derogatory and should not be an article title despite COMMONNAME
An editor has initiated an RFC at: WP:Words to Watch regarding the use of the term "Vulture fund" as an article title as it may be considered pejorative despite being a COMMONNAME. Editors interested in NPOV policy may want to participate. --Mike Cline (talk) 23:51, 14 October 2015 (UTC)