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I believe that editors need to keep a close watch on Ombudsman's activities with regard to vaccines. Examination of his edits and many of the topics he has started show a clear agenda of alleging that autism is an epidemic, that it is substantially caused by vaccines, that there is a "medical establishment" cover-up, and that those who try to edit wiki along lines of established evidence - which does not support any of his propositions - are malign, if not corruptly influenced. In pursuit of this, he has created page after page overlapping with existing subjects, generally creating alternative narratives to those worked on by others over many months. He has also added a network of links that would tend to lead readers away from the contributions of others. He has repeatedly deleted links on such pages - most often to delete links to the ] page, where he has been unable to gain influence. He has repeatedly breached the three-reversion rule in his attempts to promote a handful of anti-vaccine activists, edited comments on his own page, making it difficult for readers to follow what's going on. He plainly has no specialist knowledge of any of these topics, and in the rare cases where he references a claim, it will generally be to an anti-vaccine opinion website. I am all for free speech and multiple viewpoints, but I would hope that those with real knowledge of autism can find the time to follow this phenomenon. Misinformation on these topics has caused real distress to parents, and, in my view, exposed children to real risks. ]


:It would be nice if you placed informative explanations in your edit summaries 86.129.121.*; it would be even nicer if you also acquired a user name, rather than using a dynamic IP. It is interesting you appear bent on thinking for readers, intent on deleting salient information, content instead with adding disinformative inuendo and smearing those whose views apparently offend you. Millions of parents are already extremely distressed by the epidemic of neurological disorders afflicting their children. Their needs are not well addressed by patronizingly obstructionist editing. Exposing children to far too many vaccines, whose benefits are often dubious when taken individually (and compounded when consumed in massive quantities), is a grave danger you seemingly are unwilling to consider. ] 21:00, 10 July 2005 (UTC)


::Editors need to keep a close eye on a number of other editors' activities. There is a great deal of vaccination damage being done and covered up by officials and health professionals across Europe. Parents who try to get medical help for vaccine damage cases can find themselves being accused of MSbP (now legally recognised in only two countries as having no scientific basis) and having their children taken away and into care (where the children are even less likely to get the medical care they need). The following news release is particularly informative and those who recklessly censor valid NPOV information they do not agree with need to be watched most carefully. There is a vociferous band whose activities are likely to be compounding the damage already being done by exaggerating the risks of disease and downplaying the hazards of vaccines. The ones to really suffer are in the third world, whose nutrition is so low they are at the greatest risk from vaccine viruses and of course the mercury which is not being removed from vaccines for the third world.] 12:30, 14 November 2005 (UTC) ::Editors need to keep a close eye on a number of other editors' activities. There is a great deal of vaccination damage being done and covered up by officials and health professionals across Europe. Parents who try to get medical help for vaccine damage cases can find themselves being accused of MSbP (now legally recognised in only two countries as having no scientific basis) and having their children taken away and into care (where the children are even less likely to get the medical care they need). The following news release is particularly informative and those who recklessly censor valid NPOV information they do not agree with need to be watched most carefully. There is a vociferous band whose activities are likely to be compounding the damage already being done by exaggerating the risks of disease and downplaying the hazards of vaccines. The ones to really suffer are in the third world, whose nutrition is so low they are at the greatest risk from vaccine viruses and of course the mercury which is not being removed from vaccines for the third world.] 12:30, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
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::· The setting up of a strict, independent vaccinovigilance that collects all side effects from vaccination, ::· The setting up of a strict, independent vaccinovigilance that collects all side effects from vaccination,
::· Victims of vaccination-damage should automatically receive compensation, irrespective of who they are, ::· Victims of vaccination-damage should automatically receive compensation, irrespective of who they are,
::· Laws that guarantee fundamental rights should be respected, ::· Laws that guarantee fundamental rights should be respected,
::· Absence of discrimination between vaccinated and unvaccinated people (school, work, ::· Absence of discrimination between vaccinated and unvaccinated people (school, work,
services.) services.)
::· Abolition of compulsory vaccination. ::· Abolition of compulsory vaccination.

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Bear in mind, however, that this "noticeboard" has been set up by a single individual who is campaigning against vaccines. (unsigned comment by ] 14:24, 13 November 2005)
:Bear in mind also that he is not an ombudsman. Isn't this page really a user-space page? ] 17:58, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

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Ombudsman, this page isn't in your userspace so it's not appropriate for you to delete a civil discussion of your own behaviour.

I notice that you berated User:86.129.121.203 for not placing informative explanations in his edit summaries, then you deleted his comments with a misleading edit summary ("add assessment table"). With all due respect, you're the last person who should be criticising other editors' use of edit summaries, since yours are often quite misleading. And, despite several warnings, you continue to mark controversial edits as '''m'''inor.

I find it interesting that you deleted all criticism of your own behaviour (without offering any explanation) but you left intact the off-topic anti-vax rant which was in the middle of the discussion. Are we to infer that only opinions you agree with are welcome here? Perhaps you'd be kind enough to explain the rationale behind your selective deletions. ] (]) 16:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)



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This page is a notice board for matters particularly relevant to articles to vaccines and vaccine-related topics. Please refer to the talk pages of these articles for related discussions.

Notice board for vaccine-related topics.

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If you are Wikipedian interested in vaccine-related topics, this notice board is for you. See also Vaccine controversy, Vaccination.


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Assessment of autism spectrum-related articles:

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    • Top = Core article or primary definition; central vaccine difinition/person or necessary for basic coverage of the topic (e.g.; Vaccine controversy, Vaccine injury)
    • High = Core daughter article or significant related topic/person, hard to write the article comprehensively and NPOV without this article, enjoys widespread notability and consensus (e.g.; Thimerosal controversy, Maurice Hilleman)
    • Mid = Daughter article or broad/basic definition, important for comprehensive coverage of the top issues, but not an integral definition component (e.g.; Thomas Verstraeten, Safe Minds)
    • Low = Non-core, the topic could be covered without this article (e.g., Paul Offit, Autism Speaks
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    • Some cleanup/work needed, below B-class, has some issues like lack of citations, OR, POV, incomprehensive. Sustained attention needed to bring to standard.
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Editors need to keep a close eye on a number of other editors' activities. There is a great deal of vaccination damage being done and covered up by officials and health professionals across Europe. Parents who try to get medical help for vaccine damage cases can find themselves being accused of MSbP (now legally recognised in only two countries as having no scientific basis) and having their children taken away and into care (where the children are even less likely to get the medical care they need). The following news release is particularly informative and those who recklessly censor valid NPOV information they do not agree with need to be watched most carefully. There is a vociferous band whose activities are likely to be compounding the damage already being done by exaggerating the risks of disease and downplaying the hazards of vaccines. The ones to really suffer are in the third world, whose nutrition is so low they are at the greatest risk from vaccine viruses and of course the mercury which is not being removed from vaccines for the third world.81.111.172.198 12:30, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
"European Forum for Vaccine Vigilance
The EFVV has completed a 6 year study and collected over 1000 cases of vaccine reaction. A report is available in FIVE languages, as paper copy or CD. This report has been sent to various MEPs ......
www.efvv.org
Document for journalists
Who we are
The EFVV is a European group comprised of the .... parents' associations, doctors and other practitioners who are concerned about the undesirable secondary effects of vaccines, and - in countries where vaccination is compulsory - lack of freedom to choose:
· Association Liberté Information Santé (ALIS) (France)
· Liga para la Libertad de Vacunaciones (Spain)
· The Informed Parent (United Kingdom)
· Society of Homeopaths (United Kingdom)
· The Alliance of Registered Homeopaths (United Kingdom)
· Nederlandse Vereniging Kritisch Prikken (Holland)
· Stichting Vaccinatieschade (Holland)
· Groupe Médical de Réflexion sur les Vaccins (Switzerland)
· COMILVA (Italy)
· Associazione vittime dei vaccini (Italy)
· AEGIS (Luxembourg)
· LiSa (Germany)
Preventie vaccinatieschade (Belgium)
and numerous medical and other professionals
Over six years the EFVV conducted a study of the secondary effects of vaccinations, using a questionnaire translated into five languages, which was made available to health practitioners and members of the public.
The analysis of the collected data is published in a REPORT, available in five languages (English, French, Spanish, German, Dutch), and also on a CD which contains our complete work in all five langauages.
These documents show that, contrary to official information, secondary

effects of vaccinations are:

  • Much more frequent
  • Much more serious
  • More numerous with successive vaccinations
  • Responsible for the onset of new and more complex degenerative pathologies (fibromyalgia, diabetes, autism, many different auto immune illnesses)
  • Usually dismissed by medical staff, remaining unreported.
Our suggestions
· Exhaustive information on the secondary effects of vaccination should be made available to everyone,
· The setting up of a strict, independent vaccinovigilance that collects all side effects from vaccination,
· Victims of vaccination-damage should automatically receive compensation, irrespective of who they are,
· Laws that guarantee fundamental rights should be respected,
· Absence of discrimination between vaccinated and unvaccinated people (school, work,

services.)

· Abolition of compulsory vaccination.
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