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Meatpuppet?

Bouncehoper: What the crap is a meatpuppet?

Baegis: A marionette that subsists on a diet solely of meat and its derivatives.

Bouncehoper: ...How is that different than a sockpuppet? (also, makes me hungry....)

Baegis: Sockpuppets, of course, eat cotton products, which are severely lacking in nutrition and deliciousness.

Bouncehoper: How....strange....lol. thanks!

from Baegis's talk page

Badagnani RFC

Perhaps you can participate in it here? It seems that you clearly have a history of "rivalry" with Badagnani. Eugene2x► 23:46, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Objective

I'd be happy to know in what way you feel I'm not being objective. -GTBacchus 00:19, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

For the record, I have no doubt of your good faith, nor have I suggested that you have failed to assume good faith in any other editor. I pretty much trust you on that count, implicitly. -GTBacchus 00:46, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

MuZemike 02:46, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Good night

Thank you for correcting my rating for bacon in popular culture. I may have been slightly over-enthusiastic. It's fortunate that I can rely on the good judgement of my fellow editors to keep things in check if I mess up. Take care and have fun! ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:49, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

This is how Badagnani behaves

• Note The guy named Badagnani (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) who has been following and harassing me for over a year (including racist attack), still chasing my edits today He has been making "bogus" about me, I gave him a warning but typically he deleted my criticism on his hypocrisy and wikistalking of me, so I paste the deleted for record.--Caspian blue 01:01, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

You are still following my edits, then you think you deserve to falsely accuse me of hounding you? Don't play a victim card. I want you to stop chasing my contribution to Korean cuisine. There are "many" native speakers of English who can fix my English per my request, so I don't need your special care as long as you demonize me and make bogus accusation. I've tried to assume good faith on you regardless of your various wrongdoing to me, but you are the one re-igniting the old animosity with your disruptive behaviors. When you attacked me with the racist attack on the admin's page and accused me of being stalking you for my good faith advice on OTRS images, you clarified your position against me. To be clear, the alleged stalking of mine was done right after you stalked to my newly created articles? So your hounding of me is okay to continue? To sum up, do not follow my edits any more. I'm done with you.--Caspian blue 00:48, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi

Hi. I noticed your recent post at Badagnani's page, which he removed. You may have noticed that I'm working with Badagnani. I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve with a post like that... do you really think that telling someone to leave you alone on the internet will make them leave you alone? As part of this dispute resolution, do you think you could moderate your tone, or if that's not possible then please ask me when you're having a problem before you go to Badagnani's page with another angry post that doesn't accomplish anything, except perhaps that you feel satisfied making it.

Unfortunately, your satisfaction is not prioritized ahead of encyclopedia writing, and combativeness — regardless of who started it — never helps with encyclopedia writing. Combativeness is a really bad idea, and it hurts the project. If you respond to combativeness with more combativeness, then you've just doubled the problem. Rather than doing that learn to de-escalate. If you cannot or will not do that, then I strongly urge you to get my attention when you're experiencing trouble with Badagnani, and then let me handle the situation. Your reactions to him are part of the problem right now. Think hard about that. Thanks for understanding. -GTBacchus 01:26, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't know what Viriditas is up to, but I've left him a note. Your comments about my efforts at "education" show how little you understand of what I'm doing. Stay tuned though. The last two times you told me how wrong I was, you turned around and apologized later. I don't expect any more of that; I'm just sayin'. -GTBacchus 01:55, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Images and usefulness

In terms of this, I think the image can be removed altogether... there's not much value in a picture of a kid holding his head. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :D} 03:59, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh balls, there's drama behind this? I thought that was a silly image added in by some good-faith newcomer, had no idea there's an edit war behind this. I guess I'll join in the discussion (I was using an IP because life is too hectic to log in :P). Thanks for the speedy reply! Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :D} 04:25, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

RfAs

Re: RfA BlueCaper Opposition

Hi, it's BlueCaper. I do not see why your opposition includes the "problems" of Harry J. Lincoln. Just because I created it does not mean the sole responsibility of the article should be on me. The page does not belong to me; it belongs to Misplaced Pages. It is everyone's job (not just mine) to make an article efficient.

But I am not here to rant and rave. Let me show you some gratitude for helping me and thousands of others make Misplaced Pages a better place.

Thank you.

-BlueCaper (talk) 13:03, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Much ado

Hi I see you also had some trouble regarding User:Ironholds. I lost my temper with him earlier as I'm sick and tired of people criticising the articles I create. I really hate the overlook of some people on here it has to be said, I'm sure you feel exactly the same way in such discussions when you are branded all sorts of clearly untrue things. Sometimes we think "Why do we bother?" huh? And for the record your English is excellent, igore the tripe. Dr. Blofeld 17:43, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey, how you doing? Actually I don't have any problem with Ironholds as long as he is not an admin. I noted that he is quiet uncivil to editors though. The fiasco was a conflict between my interpretation of his experimental RfA and (not objection) oppression by others to think me the way they think. I could not do that. I counted the experimental RfA as one of his failed trials because it taunted the RfA system and he should've done it on Editor's review, not on RFA page. But well, sometimes, when I oppose somebody, saying "per whose comment" is much easier to be here. Anyway, thank you for the kind words.--Caspian blue 19:21, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

RFA thanks

My RFA passed today at 61/5/4. Thanks for participating in my RFA. I appreciate all the comments I received and will endeavor to justify the trust the WP community has placed in me. Have a nice day. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 21:31, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

My Nom-Statements...

Hey there Caspian,

I know you and I have some philosophical differences on what makes a good nom... my philosophy is basically contained in this essay: How to nominate somebody for RfA. As your opinion at RfA has (surprisingly based upon our first interactions) become one that I am growning to respect... basically, my belief it that you highlight the weakness(es) of your candidate for three reasons:

1. It shows that you did vet the candidate and despite finding a flaw (and there almost always is a flaw) you didn't deem the flaw substantial enough to overcome the good.
2. It takes away from the potential damage if somebody is familiar with the flaw were to otherwise uncover it down the road. By raising it yourself, you undermine potential criticisms down the road.
3. By revealing what *I* know to be the biggest flaw in the candidate, you might get others to accept the flaw as the worst case and not look deeper.

I have the same belief about politicians. A politician who admits his/her failings will, IMO, do better than the same politician if some reporter breaks the story. I also reveal the flaws because I once glossed over them... and I vowed never to nom somebody without being upfront with any weaknesses that I knew about. I did that once, and never again. If their track record is such that I can't look past their biggest flaw, then I won't nom them. If there is a reason that I think a flaw can be over looked (a single incident of bad judgment from half a year ago is such) I will do so and explain why I don't think it is an issue with the candidate in particular.---I'm Spartacus! 03:02, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the sincere answer. I'm gonna reply later --Caspian blue 22:55, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Forgot a fourth reason, suppose I nominate a candidate who clearly is unworthy, but I don't address the issue, it indicates that I was unaware of the problem. While I try to do my best to vet candidates, I cannot possibly know everything that has happened with said account. There have been a few cases where I was surprised one of my candidates said/did.---I'm Spartacus! 13:38, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Just one thing to say before answering, I was under the impression that the candidate looks very like you. No offense intended, but both you and his statement address negative aspects first (it's like a very bitter chocolate)--Caspian blue 13:41, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

It's the Machiavellian in me... hit them hard with the negative then show why it isn't important and then show the positive ;-)---I'm Spartacus! 16:14, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Spinnspark reminded me of the fifth reason why I'm open about character flaws... people at RfA like to latch around an item that is negative about a candidate. When there is a surprise, people instantly start wondering, "What other surprises are we missing." By recognizing the flaws, people aren't wondering what they are missing. They get to say, "Hey I supported a person with these flaws before."---I'm Spartacus! 21:04, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

But do you think that all voters READ given questions/answers or CHECK candidate's contribution history? I don't think so. Unless voters have previous interactions with candidates or have observed, in many cases, candidates could be new to them. Sometime, I'm too lazy to investigate or dig diffs, just decide by the nominators' statement/ and candidates' answers. The brief edit summary on RfA talk just gives a basic frame of their contributions which exclude quality of content building and candidates' attitude. And most candidates are regarded good enough to run for adminship (or at least one editors think so in case of self-nom), so I think the support part's flowery praises do actually not indicate how good candidates are to get the bit. And they often say "per nom". That' why the "first impression" provided by the nominator is I think very important.--Caspian blue 21:13, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Image issues

Re:copy violated images

I apologise, I didn't see your notice until today. I'm looking into the issue now. J Milburn (talk) 16:57, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

They've all been tagged for deletion in various ways. Allows the uploader time to clarify, but means they will get deleted if no clarification is forthcoming. J Milburn (talk) 17:28, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

If only every image uploaded to Misplaced Pages as "own work" was genuinely the work of the uploader... Fingers crossed though, as ever. It does cheer me up when I see an image on my watchlist resurrected by an OTRS volunteer. J Milburn (talk) 17:37, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Carina Axelsson

Please explain why you have removed the image that I added to Carina Axelsson, as the image as used meets the Fair use criteria. Unionsoap (talk) 01:09, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Hello Caspian Blue

I have read a number of articles about Korea and found that you've made quite a few contributions, and I am assuming that you are both Korean and possibly live in Korea.

I have made some discoveries about Korean cars that are only available in Korea, such as the Hyundai Equus, the Dynasty, the Grandeur, and the Centennial. I was wondering if you have a digital camera and might have an opportunity to take a few photos? Now that Hyundai has become a major player in the automotive world, I thought it would be nice to see older Hyundai's and other Korean cars that the rest of the world isn't aware of.

If you can't help with this request, do you know of anyone who might be able to help?

Thank you for your time, (Regushee (talk) 16:17, 10 April 2009 (UTC))

I glanced through the mentioned articles of Hyundai cars, but they have images. If you want better images, well, you can ask help to Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Korea.--Caspian blue 19:47, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Galbitang

On March 26, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Galbitang, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Dravecky (talk) 18:34, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

• I'm feeling hungry now after reading it! I miss Korean food... - Mailer Diablo 18:41, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Looks tasty. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:22, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank guys. The soup is yummy. --Caspian blue 23:47, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Tabby cat

Hi Caspian blue, I saw what you posted on WP:WPCATS. I suggest that you bring this to Misplaced Pages:RM#Requesting_potentially_controversial_moves.--Lenticel 07:27, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

I did, but the user moved three! articles on similar subjects too.--Caspian blue 15:29, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Korean Cuisine references

Hi Caspian,

I have been working on correcting the references in the Korean cuisine article and would like your help in completing them. I have separated the sources that are in Korean and would like you help in translating such things as article titles, authors and other information. This would be a great help as all I have is Google language tools, which is a non-contextual translator that leaves a lot to be desired.

Thanks, Jeremy (blah blah) 18:31, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the notice.--Caspian blue 19:23, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Oops

Sorry, I posted a question for you at Anonymous Dissident's RfB, but I forgot to let you know, which is not very polite. Sorry for that. Anyway, you'll find the question below your !vote. Hope you don't mind the question. If you do mind it, drop a response here or on my talk page - let's not clog up AD's RfB page. --Dweller (talk) 15:34, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Hi Caspian blue. Thank you for your principled action. In my mind you stand for the best that Misplaced Pages has to offer. Tasos (Dr.K. logos 00:41, 31 March 2009 (UTC))

User:Tenmei and Teeninvestor's ArbCom

ArbCom

I believed you once had a dispute with Tenmei, resulting in you filing this dispute: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive471#User:Tenmei.27s_abusing_AfD_and_personal_attacks, Would you care to give more details at ArbCom?Teeninvestor (talk) 21:41, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Just to tell you, I'm not on the side of the troll; in fact, I condemn him. By the way, I remember that sources do not have to display notability; they only need to display verifiablity.Teeninvestor (talk) 23:37, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

No, ArbCom won't save time, considering there was no problem to begin with; just Tenmei's obstinacy. ArbCom cases are lengthy and I'm not very happy being involved in all of that.Teeninvestor (talk) 22:17, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Note that the problem with the article is solved, and there wasn't any edit warring for a while????? And what do you mean that "this is not limited to this case?"Teeninvestor (talk) 22:23, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

How would emailing you help???? Also, note how links have been provided to the source, as well as standard bibliographical information, which would make it verifiable, eh? That isn't exactly "controversial", or else the editors of said articles would have said so.Teeninvestor (talk) 22:26, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, there is a very similar RfAr case regarding "sourcing" and many other cases regarding nationalistic disputes (to be correct, didn't you edit war not only with him, but also Mongolian editors over the descriptions on the sovereignty during the ancient time?) I will tell you more if you take my advice.--Caspian blue 22:32, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

The "edit war" with "Mongolian editors" was very strange. I was adding sections to the article, and they deleted it without explanation. Then they left. It was one of the strangest disputes I went through. i wouldn't say it was a nationalist dispute; they didn't even say why/what they were deleting it? Then Tenmei came in with his "rhetorical skills", and you know what that leads to. Oh ya, what's your email? I'm not too good with the emailUser feature. Teeninvestor (talk) 23:22, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't expose it on the public place. You need to go to Special:Preferences first and then fill in your address into Email section. Then scroll down page, you check the box, "Enable e-mail from other users" and save the change. Then, you will receive a message "you have to verify the address to use the function". Then open the message on your email account. Then your email sending/receiving are set up. After you finish the procedure, you either can tell me you're ready or look at the left side of the bar on my talk. There has "What links here and E-mail this user" and others. Then you can send me mail as well as others. --Caspian blue 23:32, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

As for the deletion without rationale, I clearly saw their message. Didn't they say "We, great ancestors were never ruled by Han Chinese!" Didn't you really catch that? Well, the article was actually created by the banned user to convey this message too "Even though Mongolian can say that they ruled Han Chinese for some period time, Mongolians were also ruled by our Han Chinese." Those are clear nationalistic feuds--Caspian blue 23:43, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice, Caspian Blue! I was not aware of this feud. I just saw this article as an ARS member and wanted to improve it.Teeninvestor (talk) 21:19, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I've decided not to use the emailUser feature. I was spammed.Teeninvestor (talk) 14:44, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Did you set up the function? When???? Who gave you spam mails? Well, reconsider my suggestion though....--Caspian blue 14:47, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Tang Dynasty

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Tang Dynasty/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Tang Dynasty/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Mailer Diablo 14:04, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Block by Georgewilliamherbert and its background

• Slightly related to the ArbCom case in which I did not be involved but did comment.

1. (Background) Ever since I reported Tenmei (talk · contribs) to ANI for his personal attacks, he has been hounding me whenever I have a dispute with others even though those are totally irrelevant of him. After another horrible experience with him on Yonsei for his more attacks, he even wikistalked me to Tznkai talk page to harass me when it comes to matter between me and Roux (talk · contribs). When Inner Asia during the Tang Dynasty article was created by ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ (talk · contribs) who is a block evading banned user and also has been harassing me, I noticed the fact. On the other hand, Tenmei caused the similar degree of disruption to others. After Tenmei (talk · contribs) filed a RfAr case against Teeninvestor (talk · contribs), the case did seem to be rejected just like Tenmei's last year RfAr case against Admin Nick-D. I left a statement to WP:Requests for arbitration page and the case was accepted.
2. Tenmei began to spread his curiosity over my intention of writing "favorable statement for him" to arbitrator Jayvdb (talk · contribs) and clerk Tznkai (talk · contribs)
3. 2009-03-30T20:57:57 Tenmei even left a message about me to non-clerk and non-admin Roux (talk · contribs) who has very bad histories with me for each other.
4. 2009-03-31T03:30:59 Roux left a very nasty comment
5. 2009-03-31T10:28:56 I gave Roux a NPA warning
6. 2009-03-31T13:11:16 Juliancolton and The ed17, supporters for Roux from his RFA appeared.
7. Conversation with them
8. 2009-03-31T14:23:09 Tenmei reappeared on the place
9. 2009-03-31T14:36:35 Roux's rely consisting of mostly "fuck" and "bullshit" and false accusation with liesmore insults
10. 2009-03-31T15:06:21 I filed to WP:ANI#User:Roux 's verbal attacks and threat but it was soon archived within about 2 hours.
11. 2009-04-01T01:04:46 Georgewilliamherbert's visit on my talk page 7 and half hours after the archive.
12. 2009-04-01T01:07:02 deleted by me (because I read it)
13. 2009-04-01T01:09:40 Georgewilliamherbert's visit on Roux's talk page
14. 2009-04-01T01:12:21 I requested for clarification to Georgewilliamherbert talk page
15. 2009-04-01T01:13:28 blocked by Georgewilliamherbert before getting an answer.
16. 2009-04-01T01:38:08 my request for unblock
17. 2009-04-01T01:45:22 Georgewilliamherbert's further comment for any reviewing admins
18. 2009-04-01T01:53:03 My reply to Georgewilliamherbert
19. 2009-04-01T02:30:55 Roux blocked by Prodego
20. 2009-04-01T02:37:06 Admin Seicer left the related ANI link to inform the news that Roux was blocked too.
21. 2009-04-01T03:29:58 With a discussion with a reviewing admin from IRC left a formal decline note.
22. 2009-04-01T07:40:23 Georgewilliamherbert left a note after his 20 minute research.
23. From 2009-04-01T07:52:51 to 2009-04-01T20:18:34 On Georgewilliamherbert's talk page, Baseball Bugs talking.
24. 2009-04-01T19:37:07 Tenmei again appeared to bash about me. Baseball Bugs and Ncmvocalist also commented more.
25. 2009-04-08T04:42:05 I visited to Georgewilliamherbert's talk page to tell Tenmei to stop wikistalking and harassing me any more. Brief notes to others there.
26. 2009-04-08T05:03:49 My answer to the accusation left on my talk page.

--Caspian blue 06:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

User:Tenmei

User:Tenmei has filed an ArbCom case against me and I have done a little research on Tenmei and noted you have interacted with this user. Can you help provide an opinion about him? Thanks.Teeninvestor (talk) 22:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Link:http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Tang_Dynasty/Evidence

Your evidence at RfAr would be much appreciated

Since you've expressed an interest, it would most advisable for you to participate in the discussion. I feel your participation will go a long way to resolving the class. Teeninvestor (talk) 22:09, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

After second thought, I reopened my email. A second view of the spam emails I received saw that they were a scam, pretending to be from the "wikimedia foundation". That cleared up things a lot, as I previously thought they were from wikipedia, so I disabled my EmailUser.Teeninvestor (talk) 22:29, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for opening your email. Oh, I think you misunderstood the automatically attached message on the bottom of any email. That is just to inform you that the email comes via Misplaced Pages. --Caspian blue 22:46, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh really. Thank you.Teeninvestor (talk) 12:18, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

About your information at ArbCom case

Hi, I noticed that you posted some information about a problem editor at ].

Given the long-term problems that have been going on with the user in question, I believe that it is time that a WP:Long term abuse thread be started on this user, regardless of what his or her primary account might be (more than 100 socks have been recorded as of writing).

As you seem to know a lot about what this editor has been up to, I think you might be in a position to alert the Misplaced Pages community at large in relation to the said user.

I had originally intended to post evidence in the said ArbCom case that would demonstrate that many of the problems at the Inner Asia during the Tang Dynasty article have been repeated elsewhere due to the persistent addition of highly inappropriate material to a large number of pages that are not as frequently patrolled as "popular" articles are by the vandal and a failure to recognize long-term abuse. However, given the complex nature of the abuses and the danger of "feeding the troll", I have refrained from doing so.

I would like to draw your attention to the fact that the "toxic" IPs (as another user described them) in question appeared to have posted veiled racist comments at a number of user talk pages. A notable example can be found here: . In this case, I believe he was trying to denigrate a large number of other editors by engaging in pointless debate.

I am a little puzzled though as to why he or she made rude comments at User talk:Arilang1234, considering that the comments seem to go against the very ideas that the troll had been trying to push.

I had reported this user earlier to User:Ryulong on account of the fact that edits by IP accounts involving Nazi themes had been made this year, suggesting that the little known but highly disruptive User:RestoreTheEmpireSociety is still active; unfortunately no action was taken.

As suggested in various checkuser requests, this editor also appears to impersonate some other persona frequently in order to make fun of editors from certain ethnic backgrounds (particularly Arabs); I also suspect he or she edited Talk:Tang Dynasty under a username in order to mock Korean editors. I think you should check the user account out to see if the person behind it actually a serious editor or just an impersonator.

There is one thing that I am almost certain about: the editor involved is not the aptly named User:Nationalist (who also caused chaos across a large number of articles).

By the way, I wonder why the ArbCom case is titled "Tang Dynasty" even though it is really about "Inner Asia during..."? Alpha77a (talk) 12:12, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Alpha77a, thank you for the alert and visit. You seem to be able to track down his history, so I don't think my submission would do better. You can consult the matter with checkuser, Nishkid64 who has routinely range-blocked underlying IPs used by the banned user. I've been harassed by the user ever since my ANI reports/RFCU on him, so I don't want to be increasing the chance for him to revenge me. And I have other things to be dealt with in my limited time for editing, but thank you for the visit any way.--Caspian blue 13:43, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Hmm...

I think I might have to take up your offer in the near future. I do love East Asian ceramic wares, especially celadon. Plus, you are right, there is a lack of good quality Korean articles. I'll see what I can do, but I won't feel comfortable creating a new article unless I have gathered at least four good scholarly sources that I can cite. Cheers.--Pericles of Athens 13:56, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Reply

Blocks, although often needed, have an unfortunate and horrible effect on anyone who is on the receiving end; the experience is not at all pleasant, and administrators and even arbitrators fail to truly comprehend the precise effect. I would not wish to compound the effect on anyone. I think we will still have disagreements even in the future, but hopefully, they can be resolved more amicably - if we can achieve that much, then that's certainly worth it. Thank you for the note, and apology accepted. :) Ncmvocalist (talk) 15:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Barnstars

Re:The 25 DYK Medal

Thankyou! J Milburn (talk) 21:58, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Congrats to his J Milburn and to Casp for recognizing his good works! Enjoy your weekends. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:19, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks to you, DYK contributors! --Caspian blue 04:37, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

My jacket is getting heavy with all these medals! Keep em coming. :) Sorry if I was intruding on a conversation with my rice drink comment Casp. For whatever reason I had that user's page on my watchlist and I was moved to comment because I agreed with what he said. I have absolutely no idea what the context was, but I wanted to weigh in with my two cents. :) Are you trying to have someone blocked? I hope it isn't me!!! ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:49, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Why thank you, Caspian Blue for the medal, and for a glimpse of your cat picture, above. Its a great choice and pic. Victuallers (talk) 19:53, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks...

...for the barnstar! :D PC78 (talk) 12:10, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

Many thanks! JPBarrass (talk) 15:27, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

- Cheers. Having gone around the fortress making notes and trying to get the page right, I now feel like I built it!JPBarrass (talk) 15:37, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for advise at 3RR noticeboard. Unfortunately, I can not follow your advice because of insufficient time. It was only once that I started a case, and only because I was asked by User:Durova. Not any more. Thanks.Biophys (talk) 20:38, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Revert

Re this: sorry if what I was reverting was actually accurate. I'm not familiar with this period in history, I just noticed what appeared to be a major change that could have been motivated by nationalist POV-pushing and figured it should be reverted unless there was discussion. If you think the new wording is better, though, that's ok with me, since you know a lot more about it than I do. rʨanaɢ /_contribs 15:35, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I initially thought the UK anon could be Wondergirls' incarnation given the same old inserting of "cheerleading passages". However the anon's edit to Joseon Dynasty was at least fixing the problem caused by another anon's POV edit. So you inadvertently reverted to problematic edit. That can happen.--Caspian blue 15:45, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Caspainblue, the intro is modelled after the Japan article, which is a featured article. I think it is important to mention the Seoul capital area so I think it's fine. If you have any other issues with my edit, please talk to me. Thanks. 86.138.60.93 (talk) 15:39, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

86.138.60.93, it is not necessary to mention Seoul in the first paragraph of the article, especially just mentioning something random like its size. Anyway, like I said, please continue this discussion at Talk:South Korea, and post the reason why you think your additions should be included, so that we have one centralized location to discuss this. rʨanaɢ /_contribs 15:42, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Would you guys continue discussing the matter to Talk:South Korea? Thanks.--Caspian blue 15:45, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Goryeo celadon

Hello. Sorry, but I haven't been able to concentrate on this topic lately (as you requested). I'm still busy with the Han Dynasty FAC and my real life work is piling up on my desk. This may take a while.--Pericles of Athens 17:03, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh, please don't feel a burn about my request. Take you time as much as you need. You're so kind of letting me know of your plan. :) --Caspian blue 18:41, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Caspian Blue! I'm glad it was all worth the work.--Pericles of Athens 22:07, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Notification

You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Macedonia naming dispute and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. As threaded discussion is not permitted on most arbitration pages, please ensure that you make all comments in your own section only. Additionally, the guide to arbitration and the Arbitration Committee's procedures may be of use.

Thanks,--Yannismarou (talk) 22:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

your edits were spot on

_shoot! 12:18, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. :) --Caspian blue 18:01, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar

Thanks very much for the barnstar! I sincerely appreciate the sentiment.  :-) —David Levy 20:12, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK comment

Thanks for your comment on my nomination - I've responded here . Cheers, Paxse (talk) 05:31, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia 2

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia 2/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia 2/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, —— nixeagle 03:30, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Kang Dae-ha

Hi, Caspian-- 오래간 만이에요. (I realize I was a bit of a horse's ass in our last encounter, but I hope you can understand my feelings on the situation too...) Thanks for translating the KMDb biography of Kang Dae-ha. I was working through it myself, but wasn't confident enough to post my translation yet. The only difference I had with your translation was with "찬가 / 讚歌". I thought that this was a type of poem-- like a hyangga... Anyway, thanks again for helping out with the article. Regards. Dekkappai (talk) 13:33, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks.--Caspian blue 14:50, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

It was early this morning when I wrote the above-- Now that my eyes are fully open, I realize the translation is "Paean" not "Peon" (which I thought an odd title for a poem). So our translations matched :) Take care. Dekkappai (talk) 17:55, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Dreadful supporters

I thought you were talking about me. I guess I'm vain like that. V?... I do think those editors need to leave the other editor alone. It's one thing to have a difference of opinion, but to follow an editor around and to keep going after them is pretty bad form. There are enough articles that need work without that kind of drama. Anyway, I hope you're having fun. I took a picture of a jellyfish dish this past weekend. Probably it isn't needed, but it's the thought that counts! ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:20, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

reply from TI

Trust me. None of us know what he is saying(neither do the Admins). But your testimony will still be valuable. just provide it as i'm sure the Admins will know what you are saying, and it may help clear up the case.Teeninvestor (talk) 00:12, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

R you still thinking about making your evidence on the page??? time is running out.Teeninvestor (talk) 20:39, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

The rest of the editors are being contacted by me to make statements. Just make yours. And no, Tenmei didn't bother me as much as he did to you.Teeninvestor (talk) 20:49, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

If he does harass you that will just be good diffs to bring up on ArbCom.Teeninvestor (talk) 20:58, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Misunderstanding

Hi. From your last post at ANI, I'm not sure we understand each other. Do you know what I advocate, as s solution to these issues? -GTBacchus 18:10, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Eye candy

Borrowed from somewhere.

Belated thank you

Thank you for the barnstar. I sincerely hope that I can continue to act in such a way that people don't question granting me such recognition. And my apologies for the delay in response. A relative recently died and there has been some unexpected paperwork to deal with which was proving to be more than a bit distracting. Luckily, they tell me that the documentation problems are resolved now, so I hope to be a bit less distracted. John Carter (talk) 16:14, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind and detailed reply. You deserved to receive it and I think I'm not the only one thinking of you as such. And best wishes for you and your family.--Caspian blue 16:18, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

WT:RFA

Sorry? –Juliancolton |  19:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

No, I'm afraid I still don't understand. Could you please elaborate? Regards, –Juliancolton |  19:04, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't intend for you to be amused. –Juliancolton |  19:07, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Alright then, sorry for the inconvenience. –Juliancolton |  19:12, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

My future

Caspian, when I was briefly in Seoul there were birds used to pick fortunes, a lot of veggie soups in stoneware or earthenware bowls, and some kind of sea slug that didn't look tasty to me. Do these things have a particular name or names? Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:25, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Your future is a mémoire of your past or Wiki's future that would have a new article? :-) Well, it is hard to tell. The bird used to pick fortunes seems like Korean magpie, but a soup made with the bird sounds eek. Well you can try to search through Commons:Category:Soups and stews of Korea.--Caspian blue 20:34, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, three different questions on three different things:

• Name of fortune telling method using a bird to select the fortune?
• Name for that type of cooking served in pottery bowls?
• Sea slug, or was it sea cucumber?, name and name of dish or dishes that use it?

Thank you very much for telling my fortune though. There is an amusing discussion on the RfA discussion page about how there are no noms right now. I'd like to throw mine up now, but it's going to take some time to answer the questions and I've been doing other stuff and still need to internationalized steamed clams since you won't do it for me.  :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:03, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh, that's good because I can not imagine the bird that people consider an auspicious messenger from the heaven could be a mere ingredient. That thinking is awful. Well, as for the question 1, I'm not sure. You need to give me more description or situation question 2, oh, you mean ttukbaegi (뚝배기) Commons:Category:Ttukbaegi? 3. Haesam? Gaebul? Hoe (dish)? Well, could you say about where you saw these things? Do you start dating a Korean girl? (curious).--Caspian blue 23:16, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Are you going to add taehap chim/daehapp jjim to the steamed clams article? Here are a couple sources , . Those commons photos look nice. There were so many of that type of dish. I found it very interesting. I think Seoul is the soup capital of the world. Korean food is very interesting to me. So many pickled dishes too. As far as the sea cucumbers I just remember seeing them at street stands and I was in awe that people would eat them. Then I wandered near the president's house, I think, and got escorted away by secret police. :) The bird is used to pick out from a bunch of slips of paper or tiles or something with fortunes on them. It was interesting except I couldnt' read my fortune. I think I saved it somewhere... ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:31, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey Casp. Thank you for your support. Please don't get caught up in any of the nastiness. There are many more opposes to come. I'm a big boy and I can handle it. The examples are interesting to me because as with the sources for Michael Jackson being a "businessman" and the Tina Turner opening paragraph, I still think the other editors are mistaken. But we learn from our mistakes and I could have been more tactful in dealing with the WP:OWN and other issues. ;) Anyway, please don't worry or feel that you have to defend me. My bad jokes are getting me in a lot of trouble, but my sense of humor is a strong defense. I've made mistakes, so many of the concerns are legitimate. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:27, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually I did not defend you, but feel disgusted by obvious hypocrisies. So don't worry about the baiting. --Caspian blue 06:40, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I am researching on Wiki. Cound you help me?

Dear Caspian blue,

I am a student in Seoul National University in Korea doing a research project on Misplaced Pages. I am very impressed about your insight. Reading your page, I see you are truly concerned about a variety of issues, and I appreciate your contributions. So I thought you could provide some opinions really worthwhile. So, would it be possible for you to take some time off and give an online interview via E-mail or online messenger? It would provide my project a lively voice of an actual editor, and this will be of a great meaning; your experience, concerns, opinions and ideas would add a lot to my project. Actually I'm in real need of something concrete; for my project is about the mechanism a biased version of explanation is settled, and as you will probably guess, understanding such things involves a lot more than just watching explicit process. Again, I would really, really appreciate your help.

It will not take that long; in fact everything will depend completely upon your will. If you are willing to give some help, would you mind mailing me within April? Thanks a lot.

Sincerely, Bongeun bongeun319@hanmail.net

121.170.42.47 (talk) 01:33, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Re Can IP editors present evidences?

As long as someone is not logging out and adding evidence as an IP instead of using their account it is fine. Please do revert. Thanks. KnightLago (talk) 01:40, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Tenmei

I didn't realise that I was on this guy's list of people who 'did not try to help'. Yikes. Nick-D (talk) 01:57, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Taeyeon (Girls' Generation)

Since I made this article, can you just delete it and can I make it all over again? I'm sorry for deleting the thingy on the top, I didn't realize I could delete it. TaeyeonSaranghae (talk) 12:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: Thanks

No problem (and thank you for participating at AfD). Good luck with your DYK! :) Cheers, –Juliancolton |  16:02, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind support

Hey Casp. Thanks very much for your friendship and generous support of my candidacy. It meant a lot to me as I have great respect for your judgement and integrity. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:45, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. :) --Caspian blue 20:47, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Take care

Tenmei has contacted GeorgewilliamHebert to make a statement or take some kind of action against you. Although he has now removed the post, just be careful- he might contact someone else or do something else to make you feel uncomfortable.Teeninvestor (talk) 22:49, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for caring. Yeah, ironically, the strong provocation made me finally get out of my long hesitance and decided to give my evidence. If he would not be poking on me, and not go to George, I might've remained silent except commenting a few to the Workshop. However, I don't know why I have to be afraid of his forthcoming harassment (sigh).--Caspian blue 23:00, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

From my experience with this editor it's well worth keeping an eye on his recent contributions (and keeping records of any relevant diffs). As well as canvassing distruptive editors against me at the same time that he was claiming willingness to enter into good-faith mediation, I found that he was also going through my old posts on talk pages and cherry-picking sections which he thought would be useful and saving them in his user space. He also sometimes revises his old posts if they attract criticism or get proven wrong (by removing/changing text rather than striking it out) and has fiddled with other editors' posts. Nick-D (talk) 23:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the concern. Ah.....yeas, when he hugely reduced his evidences (of course including attacks against me), he tries to focus to demonstrate how constructive he has been...The statement is the shortest one of his wording that I've seen so far.-_- However, well his attacks yesterday just reveal his color. Can you add your above statement to your evidence section? Thanks.--Caspian blue 23:34, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid that I don't have any diffs for that handy and as it isn't an issue in the RfA I don't think that it would be worthwhile digging them up. Nick-D (talk) 08:06, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Yo, guys, Tenmei just admitted he's wrong, as shown by this diffdiff

. Teeninvestor (talk) 19:30, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

According to one of his own catch praises, "what a noble gambit".--Caspian blue 20:01, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind, it seems it was a "noble gambit" from Tenmei's part. I seriously think ArBCom should place sanctions against this guy; at least a topic ban on asia should be in order. By the way, when are the arbitrators going to look at this? I can just imagine when the look on their faces when they first see our diffs on Tenmei, and then his TLDR comments.Teeninvestor (talk) 00:17, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of which, when are you going to finish your comment?Teeninvestor (talk) 00:22, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I've seen him pledge so many times to improve his communicate skills and incivility issues. He has asked a favor to admins or editors in good standing or "his friends" in both bad and good standing for mentorship or seeking for opinions on his attitude whenever his edit or comments are heavily criticized by editors. So I don't buy his "another sudden" vague penitence. If he thinks he really feels sorry, he should've apologized to the offended people. He has never did except one pretentious gambit; he offended me more with the insulting passage like "Tenmei apologizes Caspina blue for the comment; you're offensive." Then everybody at the ANI who already were tired of Tenmei's unintelligible and lengthy rambling just said "why don't we just wrap up?" So ANI report on him just makes the reporter's reputation ruined. He has gotten out of repeated incivility and personal attack accusations in the name of excuse for his "lack of communication skills" and "let's believe his good faith", or long-winged text attacks, blah, blah...

Once his habit of harassment and wikistalking are repeated regardless of many warnings, which are beyond AGF, and are his fixed character. I've been fooled by AGF on him. You see what I have gotten through. You need to carefully read Nick-D's observation written above. My first encounter with him is just a "prelude to endless nightmare", and I really don't want to recall another AfD experience and consequence discussions (mainly filled with his trollings) with him. That is beyond disaster. He has met very generous admins so far. As for the supposed time for me to finish my statement, well, writing something against someone is not my type of things and makes me very exhausted and gloomy. But I have to do...

ArbCom cases usually take within one month or one and a half month. So be patient for a little while. There are "many mega hit ArbCom cases", so it might be delayed or finished early. --Caspian blue 00:51, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I hope ArbCom gets this case done fast, and the solutions in quickly. Teeninvestor (talk) 20:25, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, "the two involved editors from your side" have not presented their evidence. If you want to end it faster, they have to reappear soon. None of arbtrators do even comment to the case once. So I guess, you have to wait about 2 weeks.--Caspian blue 20:30, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Because this is the English Misplaced Pages, editors should use English-language sources in preference to sources in other languages, assuming the availability of an English-language source of equal quality, so that readers can easily verify that the source has been used correctly. Where editors translate a direct quote, they should quote the relevant portion of the original text in a footnote or in the article. Translations published by reliable sources are preferred over translations made by Misplaced Pages editors.

(bolding mine).

I think this bit of info just proved Tenmei shot himself in the foot. Also, it seems they do not want to be involved in the case(though an uninvolved editor has expressed interest). It seems Tenmei included them for no reason.Teeninvestor (talk) 20:43, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, they're actually not involved editors. But in his sense, I have to be an involved editor so that he can "punish me". They heavily criticized Tenmei, so he seems to think that he can "fix" their "wrong" notion by including them as a party. I guess, I have to trim down my statement and more diffs. At that time of writing the "harassment section", I was so pissed off at Tenmei's another attempt to harass me.--Caspian blue 20:54, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Response

Hi Caspian blue. I noticed that you started an ANI sub-section about me. That's fine, but I can assure that my comment about editing by Russavia was made in a good faith. If you have any concerns or questions, I would be happy to answer. Thank you for your comments.Biophys (talk) 23:35, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Kang Dae-ha

I've made a start, but have a few questions. The "Biography" section suggests that his first screenplay was Somebody's' House (Tain-ui jip) in 1970, but the "Filmography" says Snowstorm (Nunbora) in 1968. Also, Somebody's' House and A Girl's First Love aren't listed in the filmography. PC78 (talk) 00:12, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! PC78 (talk) 09:26, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Merong

--Caspian blue 03:28, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Please clarify

From WP:ANI: "I warned him at Talk:Nokdumuk last Sunday not to edit with editors". Please clarify whether this is meant to say "... to edit war with editors" as I do not want to presume anything about your meaning. Regards, SHEFFIELDSTEEL 17:36, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

I meant "Edit war". I missed to type it. Thank you for the message.--Caspian blue 17:41, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Internet video that will change your Chinese perspectives

Thank you for the message, Arilang1234, but I save it as a diff. --Caspian blue 04:52, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Scanning the book

R u sure about this? And how would you do it anyway?(Scan the menu???).Teeninvestor (talk) 19:11, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I think you should reduce your evidence size a bit(it is just over 1000 words). I've reduced my evidence size so that not counting quotes from wikipedia policy pages(of which I have two) I am below 1000 words(999). I had to trim my evidence by close to 700 words to get it in size. See this diff diffTeeninvestor (talk) 01:03, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, I still have a lot to add, and the length so far is jut 1089 including subtitles, while Tenmei's over 1300. Once my statement is finished, I will tighten the statement.--Caspian blue 01:18, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Kang Dae-ha

On May 1, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kang Dae-ha, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 19:20, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

8Eight

Notable? ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:09, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Seems to be according to 106 Google News hits --Caspian blue 05:14, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

All I see are lots of squares. When are you going to add the steamed clams recipes I tipped you off about? ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:43, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I promise to do that after finishing up writing Buddha jumps over the wall and nominating to the DYK event for Buddha's Birthday. :) --Caspian blue 06:13, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Tenmei made an attack page on you

Here he accused you of sockpuppetry and saying you should be banned. He also seemed to have symphatheies with the guy at Liancourt rocks who was banned.Teeninvestor (talk) 13:41, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Anyangcheon

On 2 May, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Anyangcheon, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Royalbroil 13:46, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

re:Proposals

I have no problem with moving the section to workshop. My belief is that first we should try to establish principles and then talk about sanctions.Teeninvestor (talk) 23:21, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

WP:ANI#Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for arbitration#Tenmei's ongoing harassment on and off ArbCom

You may want to comment at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Attack page. --Tenmei (talk) 00:44, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, Tenmei (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

I'm very honored to have your FIRST VISIT on my humble talk page. Whenever I meet you on talk pages, those are all your user page for me to give you WP:No personal attack, and WP:3RR warnings or your wikistalking me to others' talk pages.

If my memory served correct, I did not complain about "your attack page" nor request you to delete it. Because the content of your new subpage is nothing new, and that is a very good evidence to show who you are and how you behave. Anyway, since your ArbCom case is proceeding, I notified your ongoing WP:HARASSMENT to the ArbCom committee Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for arbitration#Tenmei's ongoing harassment on and off ArbCom Your such behaviors are all subjects for the case. So thank you for providing such strong evidence. I understand your frustration over the fact that 8 people have heavily criticized your disruptive behaviors. If I were you, I would not cite "a sockpuppeter's attack". Why don't you rethink of your time to spend meaningful, not to harass editors especially me. You're really helping me very much for correcting more evidences. I see your upcoming future. Good luck! :D--Caspian blue 22:06, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Re:Tenmei's attack page

Hi Caspian. You might want to sift it out at the AN/I page. I think it would be nice if Tenmei just deleted it as it really causes more trouble than it could possibily be worth. If he wants to keep track or notes about whatever is going on, he can do it off Wiki. Maybe I'll just list it to MFD myself and save us all some trouble. Dlohcierekim 01:44, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I dunno Caspian. I don't know. If you let people run far enough, you see where they are going. AN/I needs to sort it out. Dlohcierekim 02:45, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Garak Market

Can you believe it was a year ago we were discussing Garak Market? It is incredible how quick the last year passed. Dr. Blofeld 12:56, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou!! Yum yum! Dr. Blofeld 22:09, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

RE : As the ArbCom clerk for the Tang Dynasty case

I'll have a word with the Arbs to see if they want the Extended Content to stay or be shifted elsewhere. There are far worse ones (one recent case clocked 750k+++), but we will keep an eye on the case to keep it at a manageable level. - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 20:47, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

• West Bank, which is now at voting stage. - Mailer Diablo 20:54, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Never ask a question you don't know the answer to; I feel that the latest question should be rephrased a bit, as in "why did you go to arbCom even when everyone else was against it".Teeninvestor (talk) 01:41, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for correcting my grammar. However, I'm very curious about the matter. --Caspian blue 01:43, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Bringing the Mongol editors into the case would only cause this case to be expanded, most likely to Tenmei's delight as he gets more ammo to use against me and you.Teeninvestor (talk) 21:30, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, at this point, even if Tenmei requests a motion for them to be a party, everything is too late, and I don't think they are gonna participate in the ArbCom Case. Because once Tenmei crafted the dispute unnecessarily gigantic, they seemed to be tired of the issue. In a sense, they're smart enough not to waste their time on the matter.--Caspian blue 00:02, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

HOly crap! I didn't think she should have been blocked just for that. That was a huge misuse of admin power. Whoever committed it should be desysoped immediately.Teeninvestor (talk) 01:17, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I don't know the user who was blocked. But I thought it was wikipedia policy at least to give a warning before the block. Not to mention the editor in question was a very good editor(if all the medals on the user page are true).Teeninvestor (talk) 01:19, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Just gets better and better. He removed large amounts of info and sources from the article just because he didn't agree with it. It is vandalism, I tell you. diff diff diff diff. You know what's funny? He provided me with these links. This guy's a gem.

By the way, he also attacked editor User:Patar Knight who was uninvolved but predictably went against him. Teeninvestor (talk) 21:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

You may want to comment on the proposals I have at Workshop.Teeninvestor (talk) 20:07, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

New articles

Please check new articles created by me :Dangguo and Black jails Arilang 09:05, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I posted what I think should be Tenmei's punishment. Please have a look at workshop.Teeninvestor (talk) 23:43, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for informing me of it.--Caspian blue 02:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Caspian blue for adding templates to Black jails talk page, may be you can do the same to List of political offences that attract jail terms in China. Arilang 07:31, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Question

In this case, it's the date at which we expect to have a decision ready for voting. There are more details at WP:AC/A, if you're curious. Kirill  20:03, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Snack

I'm having some nice boiled and sliced squid with a tangy sweet red sauce (a few sesame seeds in it too) in your honor. It's very cheap, only a couple bucks for a big dish of it. Then I'm going to have the boiled maize I got. Cheers! ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

What's the name of the Korean movie where the popcorn pops at the end? The one where Americans are portrayed as warmongering tourblemakers (as usual). Is it any good? I saw the epic Korean War one. It was pretty good. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm... movie? The Host (film)? I don't know because there are so many movies with such theme. In Hollywood movies, Americans are portrayed as "heroes" or some cheesy slogans can be found like "we save the world" cliche. I don't see any sort of "XYZ-Man" movies whose characters wear rubber suits, so I don't know. But I can tell you what you ate for your Hors d'œuvre, that is "ojing-eo sukhoe", a variety of hoe (dish), (raw or lightly parboiled dishes). The sauce seems to be chogochujang, mixture of gochujang (Korean chili pepper paste), vinegar, and sugar, and sesame seeds. --Caspian blue 19:13, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe, maybe not

Well first, thanks for the vote of confidence. But I always figured I was too short-tempered to make a good admin. Also I've got quite recent incidents which may be taken as a sign of violating WP:BITE (mainly this conversation). Might think about it in the future. Cheers, cab (talk) 02:31, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Buddha Jumps Over the Wall

On May 11, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Buddha Jumps Over the Wall, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Shubinator (talk) 17:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

RfA Thank You

My RFA passed today at 75/2/1 so I wanted to thank you for your participation in it. Special thanks go to GlassCobra and FlyingToaster for their nomination and support. Cheers! --Rosiestep (talk) 02:17, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

RfA Thanks

Thank you for supporting me in my recent RfA, which unfortunately did not pass with a final tally of (45/39/9). I plan on addressing the concerns raised and working to improve in the next several months. Special thanks go to MBisanz, GT5162, and MC10 for nominating me. Thanks again, -download ׀ sign! 03:37, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Empire of Japan navbox

Just created Template:JapanEmpireNavbox to aid in the navigation of Empire of Japan related articles. Please check for inconsistencies and add contributions of your own. Thanks. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 08:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Shark finning and Buddha Jumps Over the Wall

Hello, at Talk:Buddha Jumps Over the Wall#Straw poll I have attempted to summarize in a few words views you expressed at Talk:Buddha Jumps Over the Wall#Due weight to shark finning. Please refactor or confirm if my summary is consistent with your views. Thank you, Bongomatic 23:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Did you see Tenmei? He was posting a denial to every one of my remedies and facts. Lols.Teeninvestor (talk) 22:57, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

 Chzz  ►  17:30, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Ta Da

I present to you Economic history of China which is finished!!! Okay, if you want to help , here's the to-do list: 1. add more citations 2. Expand Ming, Qing, ROC, PRC sections(Which were a bit rushed) 3. Get pictures. Teeninvestor (talk) 13:42, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

By the way, Tenmei is deleting all my comments on his talk page. lols.Teeninvestor (talk) 14:04, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Socks

I love how you can recognize every Ziggymaster sock by his edit summaries saying "there is no consensus!" or "there is strong opposition!" even though every editor but him has agreed that the version he's reverting to is wrong. I guess you could consider it 'strong opposition' if you count all of his socks... rʨanaɢ /_contribs 15:52, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Kim jin-kyu

I'm just letting you know that I removed over 300 wikilinks on Kim Jin-kyu because most of the blue links were linking to irrelevant pages and I imagine the red ones are unlikely to go blue anytime soon. I would recommend not restoring them until new articles are created because even some of the statistically improbable titles like The Heart is a Lonely Hunter have other meanings. The links that go to the correct films are still intact. --- Best wishes, Soap /_{Contributions} 22:25, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Shark's fin soup

Thanks for the useful input! I was not sure if I was using too many citation tags. The article is really progressing in comprehensibility and verifiability nonetheless.Apothecia (talk) 20:52, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Good to hear that. The article gets better with sourcing anyway.--Caspian blue 23:30, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Hanbok

Thanks for the rewriting Hanbok. I think you've done a superb job of it. :) 23:19, 18 May 2009 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Cydevil38 (talk • contribs)

No problem. I just shuffled contents and format citations. I appreciate your hard work to clean up false information. Thanks!--Caspian blue 23:29, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

나비

나비 (na-bi) is the character’s name in There she is!! (Korean: 떳다 그녀!!). 나비 in Korean means butterfly in English, use any dictionary. The Linux software Nabi uses a butterfly on their logo. Cat in Korean is 고양이 (go-yang-i). 납이 (nab-i) or 납 (nab) is the Korean word for lead (plumbum). What evidence do you have that 나비 is used for Cat? --Bejnar (talk) 21:02, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Evidence for cat

For some weird reason I can't not directly response to Bejnar's protest. So I make a new section in response to him/her.

http://kordic.nate.com/dicsearch/view.html?i=6668600

This Korean dictionary page will clear your doubt. Regards. (Tokki 토끼 means "rabbit" in Korean, just for your information)--Caspian blue 21:13, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

So what you are saying is that a secondary meaning, or idiom, of 나비 (butterfly) is when it is used as a diminutive for a cat, just as 고양이 (cat) is used as a diminutive for 말 (horse). I will make the correction. --Bejnar (talk) 21:31, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

• 나비 has five different meanings

1. butterfly
2. cat
3. width
4. a dialect referring to silkworm
5. a dialect referring to 'next'

Those have nothing to do with horse. I'm not sure what you're talking about.--Caspian blue 21:38, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Read the definition at http://kordic.nate.com/dicsearch/view.html?i=6668600. --Bejnar (talk) 04:35, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

You've been uncivil without reason and the link is what I gave you. What relation does 나비 have with "horse"?--Caspian blue 04:49, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

말 (short) means horse but 말 (long) means speech/word. --Kjoonlee 23:50, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

So there's no relation between cat and horse. The catch is just that a typical speaker of Standard South Korean as spoken in Seoul will pronounce horse and word identically. --Kjoonlee 23:54, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Clifton's Cafeteria

Nice find on the photo. Are there any problems using historical images from online sources if I set proper non-free image use? Schmidt, 20:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm...Durova knows better of image-related copyright than I do. I think that could be a problem even if you set them as non-free image use. You may better contact the manager of the cafeteria and get a permission, and then forward the email to OTRS. Anyway, good job on the new article. :)--Caspian blue 20:10, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Except for the curent pictures of the current cafeteria, these no longer exist: Clifton's Pacific Seas exterior, Clifton's Pacific Seas interior, Clifton's Brookdale exterior 1938, Clifton's exterior todayClifton's brookdale interior, Clifton'a Silver Spoon exterior, Clifton's The Greenery exterior, Clifton'e The Greenery interior. I'm going to do some reseacrh on historical useages of such. Schmidt, 20:37, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Found "historically significant fair use image", which may apply for the older images. Schmidt, 20:45, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe, but I'm not sure. Anyway, we have images of the current Clifton's Cafeteria.--Caspian blue 20:51, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I do like the second pic you found for Clifton's exterior to be much better. I called Clifton's several times trying to talk to management, but after being always put on hold for 15 minutes and imagining my long distance bill climbing I cut my losses there. I suppose its indicative of how busy they may be. However, next time I am in downtown LA I will personally visit the branch, take a few photos, and approach them about gaining access and specific permision for use of historical images of earlier facilities. Thanks much for helping out! Schmidt, 20:49, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, money... you already donate your precious time, but the long distance bill is too much pain...Don't they have a website or email? Oh well, you did the good job of sharing the oldest cafeteria in LA. Thank you for the good work.--Caspian blue 21:00, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

ArbCom update

Newyorkbrad is starting to work on the proposals. A decision should be reached soon.Teeninvestor (talk) 21:43, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, I wonder why he posted templates for hi drafting proposals to Workshop instead of to the proposal page? --Caspian blue 21:47, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Newyorkbrad has posted several principles; you might want to check them out.Teeninvestor (talk) 23:35, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, harsher sanctions could be justified if the scope of the case was expanded from Inner Asia during the Tang Dynasty to Tenmei's other actions. However, that motion was not mentioned by Newyorkbrad. Maybe we can sort this out with the other arbitrators' reactions.Teeninvestor (talk) 01:24, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

I will be adding new content to the Tang-Gokturk wars article shortly.Teeninvestor (talk) 23:24, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah, what harm can come out of it.Teeninvestor (talk) 23:26, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Arbitrator found to be sockpuppeteer, COI

diff. Yikes, a Poetlister-style sockpuppeteer on ArbCom.Teeninvestor (talk) 14:48, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Heads up, an arbitrator seems to be relatively favorable towards Tenmei.Teeninvestor (talk) 11:39, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

RE: Inquiry for ITN

It appears that nobody has yet begun today's section. Did he die today or yesterday? I'm sure there is no harm in nominating him under the 22nd (which it probably still is in the US). The future events section is probably more for things like elections and spaceflights but (having originally created it and not been informed of why items should be removed) I am puzzled as to why something would be removed from it for no reason. It was probably removed from P:CE because it is a death and they expect you to put those at Deaths in 2009 (those IPs don't seem to leave edit summaries, I too find this annoying and confusing at times). However, if it is to be a death debate it should be OK to nominate it at WP:ITN/C under the 22nd. --candle•wicke 02:59, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

On 23 May, 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article Roh Moo-hyun, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

It has been posted now. Thanks for you contributions and asking for assistance. :) --candle•wicke 17:34, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again!--Caspian blue 17:35, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

There's no need to be sad any longer. You too keep up the good work and thanks for your kind words of encouragement. --candle•wicke 18:21, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Baklava

Thanks for your note. I am certainly not the 'manager' of the baklava article, but I have it on my watchlist because it attracts an inordinate amount of attention from POV-pushers (not that your comment is in that category!). I agree that there are all sorts of silly disputes on this and other talk pages, but at least they are relevant to editing the article. Musing about how fattening a food is... well, I just don't see the point on a Talk page. --macrakis (talk) 19:50, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I think my comment is relevant to the subject, so please respect my opinion. Thanks.--Caspian blue 20:07, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Behaviors

That's fine. I'm still looking through the evidence. Wizardman 22:57, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

NYB has finished posting at proposed decision. You may want to comment.Teeninvestor (talk) 20:21, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks...

...for posting the edit stats at Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for adminship/Majorly 2. Gives me a nice break. :) –Juliancolton |  23:29, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Hehe, makes sense! –Juliancolton |  00:24, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Gae

Please don't add dictionary definitions to disambig pages, see WP:DAB. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:15, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: CoM-Wikidemon

I'll re-look at the evidence for that over the next day - I don't think I looked at it as closely as I should have, if what you've found is true or an uderstatement. Wizardman 03:37, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for coming out

I would like to thank you for coming out and participating in my Request for Adminship, which closed unsuccessfully at (48/8/6) based on my withdrawal. I withdrew because in my opinion I need to focus on problems with my content contributions before I can proceed with expanding my responsibilities. Overall I feel that the RfA has improved me as an editor and in turn some articles which in my eyes is successful. Thank you again for your participation. Cheers and happy editing.--kelapstick (talk) 19:00, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Deborah Voigt

I was skimming DYK and came across your work on the Voight article. I noted that it is close to the needed expansion to go through (which would be great). I was thinking an obvious area to expand is actually the lead. It is currently one para, and doesn't mention the weight/ loss controversy at all. I think the lead would be better as around three paras rather than the current one. Normally i would jump in and just do it myself, but I know nothing of the topic and you seem to be busy doing a great job, so I just thought I'd make the suggestion here. I hope you don't feel I'm just making work for another editor (ie. you!) :-) If you want to ping me at my talk page and ask me to do it, that's fine, but i may not get to it for about 48 hrs. cheers. hamiltonstone (talk) 00:10, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestion, but I'm not a native speaker nor good at writing artistic evaluations with flowery words, so I'm not sure I can follow your suggestion at this time. Within 2 days, I have to insert 2000 characters for the DYK anyway and that task has been a very demanding/challenging job for me (I usually edit/expand articles up to 4500 something within 5 days), so honestly, I'm very exhausted. Sorry that I can not give you a satisfiable answer for the good faith suggestion.--Caspian blue 05:02, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Gopchang jeongol

On June 2, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gopchang jeongol, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 02:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

POTD notification

Hi CB,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Quaterionenadler David de Negker.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on June 5, 2009. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2009-06-05. howcheng {chat} 05:19, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the notice.Caspian blue 05:26, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

The Barnstar of Good Humor

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		For working on Deborah Voigt for WP:DYK while enduring terrible puns about weight loss. Bearian (talk) 18:41, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

RE : Tenmei

Okay, but you'll will need to disengage from the conflict as well, otherwise it won't help matters. I'll inform him accordingly. - Mailer Diablo 22:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Deborah Voigt

On June 3, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Deborah Voigt, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Royalbroil 15:49, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Supersentai sockpuppetry

I believe Supersentai is using a sockpuppet, Triassic ranger, to avoid his previous warnings and discussions. Please feel free to comment on how you think of this case. 01:43, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Korean cuisine

Melonbarblaster has begun a discussion about the inclusion of dog meat in the article, please feel free to discuss on the talk page. --Jeremy (blah blah) 02:06, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Re : RfAr/Tang Dynasty

I've been informed by one of the arbitrators that you will be included as a party to the Tang Dynasty case. - Mailer Diablo 10:39, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

If it pleases you ArbCom has adopted the mentorship suggestion and is now going to assign Tenmei a mentor. Who do you think should mentor him? Teeninvestor (talk) 13:24, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

They've also banned Tenmei from contacting you.Teeninvestor (talk) 16:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Good to hear that indeed.--Caspian blue 16:06, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Gotjawal Forest

On June 7, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gotjawal Forest, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Backslash Forwardslash 21:56, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Gotjawal Forest

You're welcome. I've done more on Jeju-do than Gotjawal Forest. My edits on Gotjawal Forest are mainly related to WP:MOS issues, but I'm happy to help where I can. Thank you for your kind notice. 152.16.16.75 (talk) 00:29, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

50 DYKs

		The 50 DYK Medal
		Well done Caspian! Congrats for all your hard work, particularly on Korea and Korean cuisine! May you soon reach 100 DYKs! Dr. Blofeld 18:06, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow. Get a life! :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, guys.--Caspian blue 01:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

When do I get mine eh? Dr. Blofeld 16:26, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Attack page on me on the Dutch Wiki?

I just spotted your statement that Tenmei has created a sandbox attacking me on the Dutch wiki at Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for arbitration/Tang Dynasty/Proposed decision. Could you please provide a link to this? thanks, Nick-D (talk) 10:30, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Some shameless thankspam!

User:Colds7ream/RfA

South Korea dramaz, redux

Hey Caspian, I could use another opinion at Talk:South Korea#Image changes. Thanks, rʨanaɢ /_contribs 21:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia 2 - final notice

This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above.

• All editors on Macedonia-related articles are directed to get the advice of neutral parties via means such as outside opinions and Geopolitical ethnic and religious conflicts noticeboard (WP:ECCN), especially since there are significant problems in reaching consensus.
• All articles related to Macedonia (defined as any article that could be reasonably construed as being related to Macedonia, Macedonia nationalism, Greece related articles that mention Macedonia, and other articles in which how Macedonia will be referred to is an issue) fall under 1RR whenever the dispute over naming is concerned. Editors enforcing a case where a binding Stalemate resolution has been found are exempt from 1RR.
• The following users have been banned from Misplaced Pages : Avg (talk · contribs), ΚΕΚΡΩΨ (talk · contribs), and Reaper7 (talk · contribs) .
• The following users have been topic-banned from Macedonia-related articles and their talk pages, as defined in All related articles under 1RR: Avg (talk · contribs), ΚΕΚΡΩΨ (talk · contribs), Reaper7 (talk · contribs) and, SQRT5P1D2 (talk · contribs).
• The Committee takes note that ChrisO (talk · contribs) has resigned his administrator status while this case was pending, but also notes that he is desysopped as a result of the above case. ChrisO may obtain the tools back via the usual means or by request to the Arbitration Committee.
• Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) is strongly admonished for displaying a long pattern of incivil, rude, offensive, and insulting behavior towards other editors and failure to address the community's concerns in this regard. Because of this Future Perfect at Sunrise is subject to an editing restriction for one year, and is desysopped for three months as a consequence of poor user conduct and misuse of administrative tools. After three months, his administrator access will be automatically restored.
• Single-purpose accounts are strongly advised to edit in accordance with WP:SPA and other Misplaced Pages policies. Diversifying one's topics of interest is also encouraged.
• Abuse filter 119, as currently configured, logs all changes involving the word "Macedonia" but does not block any edits. The community is strongly advised to consider adding a new abuse filter criterion; any instances of changing the word "Macedonia" to "FYROM" (the five-letter acronym, not the full phrase) shall be prevented.
• Within seven days of the closure of this case, a discussion is to be opened to consider the preferred current and historical names for the four entities known as Macedonia. The discussion will end one month after it is opened.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Tiptoety 21:33, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Discuss this

Not what I've expected, but the final result is not that horrible.--Caspian blue 15:54, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Tang Dynasty - Final notice

This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above.

Tenmei (talk · contribs) is topic-banned from Inner Asia during the Tang Dynasty for a period of six months. He is permitted to comment on the talkpage, provided that he does so in a civil fashion. He is instructed not to interact with or comment with regard to Teeninvestor (talk · contribs) or Caspian blue (talk · contribs) on any page of Misplaced Pages (except in the course of legitimate dispute resolution initiated by others or his mentors). Tenmei shall also be assigned one or more volunteer mentors. Other remedies also apply.

The parties are instructed to carefully review the principles and findings contained in this decision. Each of the parties is strongly urged to conform his or her future behavior to the principles set forth in this decision. Should the remedies fail to improve the situation described in this decision, after a reasonable time, an application may be made to reopen the case and impose other remedies as may be necessary.

- For the Committee, Mailer Diablo 22:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Finally, someone who has harassed me for about 9 months gets what he should've deserved long time ago (with much mild sanction though).--Caspian blue 15:52, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Puss in Boots at DYK

Thank you for your insights and suggestions! I want to 'catch you up' the concerns raised. My DYK comment and response:

"Thank you both for your insights and consideration! I've reworked the hook slightly and ask your opinion. Caspian, the issues you mention have been rectified in the "Master Cat" article (thank you for solving the snarl with the title!) and I do agree with you that the two articles need some consideration. There is not much to merge into "The Master Cat, or Puss in Boots" from "Puss in Boots (fairy tale)" as much of the latter article is unsourced and has an OR tang, especially in the analysis section. I suggest a "Variants" or a "Cat as Helper" section in "The Master Cat" article examining the topic from well respected folklorists and retaining only the "adaptations" that are supremely notable such as Tchaikovsky's ballet and the Faerie Tale production. Perrault's Puss in Boots has inspired legion upon legion of "adaptations" over the centuries and it is impractical in my opinion to list every single one of them no matter how insignificant they are in the greater scheme of things in "The Master Cat" article without giving the topic "adaptations" undue weight. Alternatively, ALL adaptations could be listed in a stand alone article called "Puss in Boots adaptations". What do you think of my proposal? Caspain, I'm so sorry you preceive me as using "accusatory tone" with Matisse. Nothing of the sort was intended. I was simply stating a 'right to the point' fact. Kathyrncelestewright (talk) 22:15, 14 June 2009 (UTC)"

Hope to hear from you! Kathyrncelestewright (talk) 22:25, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Gongju National Museum

HI! Any chance you can develop this into a DYK? Dr. Blofeld 15:54, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the pointer, I will think about it.--Caspian blue 18:42, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Articles about singers

Hi. I saw that you are looking for articles to use as a model for bios about opera singers. You might want to check out bios from WP:G&S: Valerie Masterson, Richard Suart, Kenneth Sandford, Gillian Knight, Ellen Beach Yaw, Rutland Barrington and Jessie Bond. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:58, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, also, for an even better bios about a musical theatre singer, see Elaine Paige (FA class). Also see Sarah Brightman and Bernadette Peters. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:01, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. Best of luck with your project. Let me know if you have any questions that I might be able to answer. Best wishes, -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:18, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

RFAR

Re . You missed Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Climate_change_dispute William M. Connolley (talk) 17:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Surprised for the visit! (by the way my question on Mathsci's incivility is not answered yet) Oh, well have a good day.--Caspian blue 17:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Peace offering

		Olive Branch of Peace
		I come here offering an olive branch in the hopes of coming to some sort of peace with you. I know we have had major disagreements in the past, and I would like to work together with you to sort those out so we can work cooperatively on whatever articles we may work on together in the future. For any rudeness or misinterpretation of your postings on my part in the past, I sincerely apologize. Perhaps that may not be enough, but I do honestly want to work well with you here on Misplaced Pages, so I'd like to form a peace with you. I think we do have the same goals in mind for Misplaced Pages: to make it an excellent, free, detailed, and neutral encyclopedia. I admire a lot of the work you have done to improve things (and you really have done a lot), and I hope we can work together in a spirit of mutual respect in the future. ···日本穣 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:50, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Korean cuisine GAN

Actually, it really does meet the standards of GA. I believe it would need more if it were to be a FAC. --Jeremy (blah blah) 20:52, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Macedonia request for comment

Since you have in the past taken part in related discussions, this comes as a notification that the Centralized discussion page set up to decide on a comprehensive naming convention about Macedonia-related naming practices is now inviting comments on a number of competing proposals from the community. Please register your opinions on the RfC subpages 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.

Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:00, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

With regard to your endorsement of the main article naming, I wondered if you were aware of the requirement in WP:NPOV#Article naming that things should be termed by "the common English language name as found in verifiable reliable sources"? "Republic of Macedonia" is neither the common English language name nor is it (by a very long way) the predominant term in reliable sources, the vast majority of which use simply "Macedonia" (per ). It would be helpful if you could consider this point, and if you continue to favour the option you supported, if you could explain why you believe NPOV should be set aside in this instance. -- ChrisO (talk) 18:18, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I think the proposal B meets NPOV perfectly, and could reduce "dramas" in the muddy situation. The title is also one of the naming disputes, but if you ask how we style the republic within Greek or Macedonian related articles, I'd favor "Macedonia(n)" over "Republic of Macedonia(n)" or FYROM (people)". I've compared this naming dispute with "China" and "Ireland", and I'm not convinced that Macedonia is far prevalent than the ancient kingdom and region in English speaking world.--Caspian blue 18:29, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately this isn't a situation where we can get rid of the "dramas", simply because the hardline nationalists reject both "Macedonia" and "Republic of Macedonia" (see e.g. , just a short time ago). Proposal B has the disadvantage of being a full formal name - which contradicts NPOV's requirement to use the common name - and Future Perfect at Sunrise and myself have done a lot of work to establish the usage of the term "Macedonia" in a wide range of general sources. The wider region is actually not very well covered at all in general sources. The ancient kingdom does get wide coverage, but only in specific subject domains - principally history and archaeology. We found that the vast majority of references to "Macedonia" were in fact to the country, which was invariably called simply "Macedonia". Future Perfect put forward proposal A on the basis of that research. Note that China and Ireland are outliers - the way they are treated is different from the way that we treat 99% of the world's other states. The idea behind proposal A is simply to treat Macedonia the same way that we treat nearly every other country, based on the requirements of NPOV. -- ChrisO (talk) 18:44, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmm..I appreciate your all effort for the naming dispute, but as far as I've known Future Perfect has tried to "resolve the dispute" with reliable sources, not "to establish the usage of the term "Macedonia" in a wide range of general sources". That gives an odd impression to me.--Caspian blue 22:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

CaspianBlue, you might like to know that ChrisO has contacted many of the editors who signed Misplaced Pages:Centralized_discussion/Macedonia/main_articles#Users_who_endorse_Proposal_B asking them to change or justify their position. Regards, SHEFFIELDSTEEL 18:56, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I have not asked anyone to change their position, merely to clarify the basis of their recommendation. Please don't misrepresent me. -- ChrisO (talk) 19:26, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Poor Man's Talkback Notice

My page, you know the drill :) - NeutralHomer • Talk • 23:36, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

thank you for your reminder

back from 22:05, 26 June 2009 for 24 hours, ip and my accounts only edited twice.

oh,sorry. i checked three edits on 24. just now,i left message on the talk page and waiting for others' response. one of my account is redirected to another, and add 'Doppelganger' to tell, i will never deny it is one account,lot. thanks again .Georgezhao (talk) 00:13, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Joseon Dynasty

Hi, Caspian blue. Could you come to Talk:Joseon Dynasty and join discussions on Joseon Dynasty's sovereignty? A User:Jpatokal are I do not agree on the issue and I think 3rd opinion from editors would be good in the current circumstance. I need more opinion from editors who know Korean history. Thank you.--Historiographer (talk) 07:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi, long time no see. Sorry, my mind is currently occupied with various things and tasks that need my attention right now, so I could not be of use for your concern at this time. Why don't you raise your concern to WP:KOREA? Best regards.--Caspian blue 13:02, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Lunchtime here soon

Hey Casp, how is your article work coming? I'll be interested to check out your latest projects. I very much appreciate your concern and interest in helping to resolve some recent conflicts, but I hope you'll get back to the fun stuff. Not everything is fixable, but at least there's plenty of good stuff to read, eat and look at. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:02, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for stopping by. As a matter of fact, I full-stopped editing planed articles for the fiasco. Now I'm being falsely accused by Tarc (no wonder though), so I needed to show Tarc's genuine "falsehood" with diffs. Well, I was planning to expand some French classical music magazine and French movies or French opera singers, so well I don't know if you're interested in given that context.--Caspian blue 18:14, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Casp. Full-stop. You do not need to show anything with diffs. Please let it go. It's over (...at least for now). Please take some time to regain your composure and release whatever stress you have. I recommend a good noodle soup, or maybe a pig dish. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:27, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Already done, so the diffs speak for themselves. I "hope" no more engagement would be necessary. It is weird that you're speaking the same thing I said to you. Anyway, well....my lunch time (brunch) is already over, so have a great meal. I'm gonna have some Caribbean cuisine later today. Cheers.--Caspian blue 18:33, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes. True. I agree. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:50, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Are you hunting snark? There's a lot of it around here. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, you seem to be living in the Sunny California, but I just go hunting sharks (a sort of snark in the sea?) on Chinese restaurants only when my purse allows me to do so :) I know your neighbourhood has a lot of shark, so you have to keep watching them. As for other types of "snark", well.....be careful when they do things out of line. --Caspian blue 04:28, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry

I'm really sorry. I was going to revert another article and made a mistake to click your talk page. It was simply a mere mistake. Then I tried to reverted myself but you beat me. Please accept my apology. Regards.Oda Mari (talk) 02:01, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I saw your second message. Thank you for your understanding. I appreciate it. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 02:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm in the mood ...

to get rested from some muddy swamp, so if anyone want to ask me about something for something of something which I might be interested in or know, please visit other users that I maybe work together...Thanks.--Caspian blue 02:15, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Interbreeding of dingoes with other domestic dogs

Hi, Inugami-bargho. Thank you for creating the useful and interesting article to Misplaced Pages. However, I'm not sure why you're so agitated by my simple tagging. I think the sentence The population of wild living domestic dogs in Australia is now probably higher than ever before. is vague because the intro does not reveal when the research was conducted, and "ever before" is also not clear. I think "as for March 2009" or "According to a 2009 research" would be fine if you can add. And everyone could not know the intro is already referenced by existing sources. The tags are only for clarification, so I hope you're a bit more familiar with these. I love reading the article by the way, so keep up the good work. --Caspian blue 04:58, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I was just a bit hot headed that's all because I had to deal a little bit to often with people who want a reference nearly for every sentence although the whole chapter is practically based on the same source, that is all. I know that the statement is vague but that's what Managing the impacts of dingoes and other wild dogs said. Saidly when it comes to the dingoes or better wild living domestic dogs most data is quite blurred. Saidly that's also true for the dogs living with humans. Strange really, there is more research on wolves than on dogs. Even more saidly there are also more myths about domestic dogs than about wolves.--Inugami-bargho (talk) 16:39, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Snark, sharks, and wild dogs. An interesting pattern... ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, perhaps, I could try to edit articles like "blowhard" (I learn the slang today) or Bully (to understand their mentality) for the next time to improve the articles for readers to understand the meanings/knowledge well.--Caspian blue 01:44, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Or I could try Hare since I have a great interest in Mammalogy. :) --Caspian blue 01:53, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

FYI

You got mentioned in the RfA I just created ;-) ---Balloonman 02:16, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I had to remove your support, early voting is extremely frowned upon and kills RfA's. Here is the text for when it goes live:

No brainer Sorry, Balloonman, I do not even need to read your nomination statement for the candidate. :) I've always thought of Pastor Theo as "the next administrator" (not American Idol :D) because of his civility and insightful commentaries on RFAs as well as other good contributions. (yes, I checked his contribution time to time in case somebody would nominate him) Well he clearly knows how things go within Misplaced Pages and is willing to help editors in trouble, so why not?--Caspian blue 02:20, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

forgot to sign---Balloonman 02:29, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I did not know it is not live yet.--Caspian blue 02:30, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Nope, I just wrote it and posted it to PT's page, he hasn't formally accepted, although has indicated a willingness to do so.---Balloonman 02:33, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Now it's live---Balloonman 02:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks.--Caspian blue 02:42, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: One thing

It is very difficult for me to walk away from something...but I am getting better. Sometimes it is just not worth the headache. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 04:26, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! The top one is from this template: {{user:Ceiling_Cat/dailykitten|pos=right}}, it is updated daily with cat pictures. The other two are just little LOLcats I have created with my cats. The orange one is Flatsky, the white one is Peppermint, there is a third, Taffy, and you can see her on my userpage along with the other animals we have. Take Care...NeutralHomer • Talk • 04:33, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Closed then?

As you're not taking your accusations to WP:WQA or another forum, I'll assume they were made in haste and you didn't mean any of it. --Ronz (talk) 23:02, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Boehner

The edits by Law were entirely useless and simply copied the work I had done in my own user space. Do not revert please. Peter Damian (talk) 14:56, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I love finding my name randomly! I didn't add any information - I added sources I found on the Internets. A seasoned editor should add references to their articles, or at least attempt to once a PROD is added. Instead the issue was taken offsite. Every article needs references and sometimes I think they were intentionally omitted just to see what happens. Oh well. Law _{type! snype?} 01:10, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Bridge Project

Hi I'm Jonathansuh, long time ago I edited some bridges on the Han river articles. I just made another article, Ilsan Bridge. I hope you can help me expand it and put more stuff on it. Sorry. I'm only a 5th grader. Jonathansuh (talk) 19:43, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Saengseonkkaseu

Can you find a reference for this entry on the Tonkatsu article? Any help is appreciated. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 07:29, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Question

I'll send you an e-mail. –Juliancolton |  23:32, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Insadong

Hi, Caspian. I see there's a little Napoleon taking over a certain neighborhood in Seoul. ("Today Insadong, tomorrow Chamshil!") Drop me a line if he actually does put it up for deletion. I always enjoy seeing a self-important jack-ass make an even bigger fool of himself, and I can use the laugh. :) Dekkappai (talk) 02:40, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Hmm..thanks. I know exactly why he is doing that on "Korean articles" due to his conflicts with a non-Korean editor working on Korean and traditional Korean music. So I rather would like to spend my time adding references and using the external links that he falsely labels as "spams". He did not take my compromise suggestion and opinions:)--Caspian blue 15:00, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Caspian. I took the article off my watchlist after blowing up over the "notability" tag last night. Tagging Insadong for "Notability" is absurd-- if you don't know the place, you can easily search any source on Seoul. And if you haven't done that, you don't have any business putting the tag up. I didn't want to work on the article at the prodding of an editor like that. But since you've asked, I'll see what I can do. (Insadong is one of my favorite places in Seoul, and one of the places I always visit whenever I'm there.) Cheers! Dekkappai (talk) 17:05, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

OK, I'm finished "disrupting" the article, and have to go off to other projects. Anyway, between ours and the other editors' contributions, Insadong will probably survive AfD now :) Dekkappai (talk) 02:08, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Just saying

Hi Caspian blue. I do realize that I can be overly "social", (and I'll work on a better balance), but I did want to say how much I admire your recent work. You have my utmost respect for the work you do here - and I wanted you to know that. — Ched :  ?  03:38, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm very flattered. Thank you for the kind words. --Caspian blue 15:01, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

I didn't realize you were the one who reported the vandalism on the articles I edited. Thank you very much even if you don't agree with my contributions to Misplaced Pages.Jayzames (talk) 09:12, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

No problems, but how did you know I filed it to AIV? --Caspian blue 15:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I think i might have seen it in your contrib history somewhere. Again, thanks.

Oh, and I am no longer a "dirty man from Samsung." :-) Jayzames (talk) 23:45, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Hmm...I do not recall any memory that I met you on any article. Are you Korean?--Caspian blue 23:48, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Not quite, but I've lived here a very long time and am fluent in Korean.

I've been doing some edits on the Roh Moo-hyun, KCTU, and US beef imports in South Korea articles, which have raised the ire of the local activist community.

Jayzames (talk) 05:11, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Interesting, it is very rare to find non-Koreans who are fluent in Korean both inside and outside Korea. Even though those topics are out of my usual interests, I edited the articles a couple of times just for housekeeping. As I edit some articles, they are automatically listed on my watchlist, and the name calling associated with Samsung came up on several articles, so I went to AIV. Are any chance you working for Samsung or Hanara Party as your "fan" accused? (the former could be possible since that is a Chaebul in Korea. :-) I do now know what political position you might have, so I felt the odd at your first message. You seem to know me pretty well.....--Caspian blue 05:56, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Nope, I'm American, and have voted Democrat (NOT the Korean party) ever since I turned 18. I don't really like any party or any politician in Korea enough to endorse one. I did indeed work for Samsung at one time (and liked it when I was there), but do not now work for them or any other jaebeol.

It is typical for Korea's left-wing Internet activists to resort to conspiracy theories and dismiss any dissenters as someone who works for the GNP. I don't really take it seriously and I was more amused than offended by the remarks.

Jayzames (talk) 06:19, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, right wings are also many if you stick here longer to observe the current flow, so Misplaced Pages can fly higher with their big wings. :) I thought you could be a Korean-American due to your ability to read Korean but a different approach to solve problems at glance.--Caspian blue

For your information

Perhaps I got really agitated by your allegation and I didn't set the right tone when I replied you a moment ago but let me just ask you a question here... did you actually read and checked through the whole thing before you jump to conclusion and accuse me of templating that Sock tag on AO's user page (which is an accusation in its own right)? Edit history doesn't lie, you can check it to verify my claim that an ADMIN (specifically speaking it was User:Stifle) was the one responsible for placing that tag in the very first place, and not me as what you had thought. BTW, I've chosen to disengage from this episode after consulting with another uninvolved admin, so I'd really appreciate if you would review it properly instead of going there to rekindle that spark. --Dave1185 (talk) 21:59, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi Dave. I noticed in your edit history that a lot of edits are marked with an m indicating they are minor. I've seen in previous discussions that this sometimes happens when someone has their settings off. You might want to look into fixing it, because really only minor edits such as spelling or formatting fixes that are inherently non-controversial should be marked as minor. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:54, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Warring on my talk page

While I appreciate that you're frustrated with Ronz, please do not engage Ronz in back and forth debate on my talk page (18 different posts between the two of you, over the course of almost two hours!). When I asked him to calm down and stop, I did not expect him to come to my talk page, nor did I expect you to follow him there and engage him in a battle of words there. I recommend just ignoring him if he continues arguing over every little thing, or perhaps start an RFC on whatever issue is causing the problem if you just can't come to an agreement or any sort of consensus. Please do not engage in further word battles with him on my talk page. If you need any assistance in dealing with his overzealousness on a particular issue, please let me know and I'll see what I can do. I appreciate your help. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:54, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

The two links

That said, the two links are perfectly acceptable as links, and should not be considered as spam. There is nothing even remotely spammy about them. Hope that helps! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:56, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Discussion with Dave1185

Except his first message, all conversations with Dave1185 (talk · contribs) are left on Dave1185's talk page. This is just for the purpose to archive the case. So please do not restore the delete messages.--Caspian blue 15:41, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Merge discussion

There is an interesting merge discussion going on at Talk:Cupcake. You might want to poke your head in on it. --Jeremy (blah blah) 08:48, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the notice--Caspian blue 15:48, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Insadong: In & Sa

Hi, Caspian. What do you think of this sentence in the article: "Insadong was originally two towns, "In" and "Sa", divided by a stream which ran along Insadong's current main street." I'm not a native speaker, of course, but it doesn't "sound" right to me... "In" and "Sa" don't sound like Korean place names to me, and also I know that the syllable "sa" has a bit of a taboo similar to the Japanese "shi". If buildings skip the 4th floor to avoid sounding like "death", I can't imagine naming a whole neighborhood with the syme syllable that means "death"... Although there is "Shikoku" in Japan too, so I don't know... I wrote the sentence based on THIS: "Five hundred years back, this was a sloping residential area for high-court officials, actually two towns with names ending "In" and "Sa," split by a stream that would eventually form the path of the main street." - Wall Street Journal. (I can't access the full article through the link, but if you search "Decision to Stop Building in Insadong" in Google News, that link provides the complete article.) Anyway, that's a long-winded way of asking: Do Korean sources confirm this? Dekkappai (talk) 16:18, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

AH HA! I answered my own question-- I mis-read the original sentence. I'll fix it now. Nevermind :) Dekkappai (talk) 16:20, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Iceland-South Korea relations

Has enough content been added for recreation? All of it seems very notable to me. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:50, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah...Midnight, may I ask who created the article? That looks a complete joke WP:OR. As soon as I set my eyes on the introduction of the article, I just could not help to burst into a big laughter. Viking vs Korean warrior.....bacon vs beikon.... Why I am reminded of a online game set.... I think you should either keep it in your user space as a souvenir, or delete it and grill bacon for your healthy supper! Caspian blue 00:05, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, perhaps you're right. Once an editor took out the agreement on double taxation the article really started going downhill. Have you seen the bacon emoticon that Law designed? It's very catchy. And it also has applications in new math and Ancient Greek. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:53, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps, you mean the omega mark with two waving symbols? Cool! (but that can look like somebody bending his back while backfiring...:p )--Caspian blue 01:01, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it could be ironic. What is the bit about bacan and peikon? Is that legitimate? Because it might need to be fine tuned since it's now in article space. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:46, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah..CoM..That is of course, not a legitimate comparison because that is original research. The article, in my opinion, should've not been moved to the article space.--Caspian blue 12:50, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

But it doesn't have a single spam link! ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:19, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry, CoM. Even though the current article looks boring (well, encyclopedic articles tend to be boring), your creative approach to the article would be remembered by me with the delightful diff.--Caspian blue 21:13, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Proposed merges for Food and Drink

Based on your recent participation in several Food and Drink related merge discussion, I would like to point out several open discussions that might interest you:

• Proposed merge of Jumbals to Jumble (cookie). Discuss here.
• Proposed merge of Kerala porotta and Malabari paratha. Discuss here.
• Proposed merge of Maple spice cake to Spice cake. Discuss here.
• Proposed merge of Patty melt to Cheeseburger. Discuss here.
• Proposed merge of Butterfly cake to Cupcake. Discuss here.
• Proposed merge of Majboos and Kabsa. Discuss here.

--Jeremy (blah blah) 05:11, 11 July 2009 (UTC)`

Thank you for the notice, we obvious have a lot of laundry. :)--Caspian blue 12:51, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Kirill Lokshin

See Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Advisory Council on Project Development. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 21:38, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the pointer, but when the announcement on the new council, I read it and have a sketchy grasp of many people negatively responding to it. However, I don't think he should resign for the charge. His intention is in good faith to improve Misplaced Pages, so I still stand by my position.--Caspian blue 21:50, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree that he was acting in good faith, but I, for one, will vote against every person who voted for this, when they come up for re-election. Nobody asked Kirill to resign, that I've seen. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 21:54, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

We can confirm we have a different view on the case. The "every person who voted for this" means by the arbitrators who endorsed the formation of the new council, I guess? This suggestion to improve the community that fails to gain "consensus" is not comparable with the former admin, FT's shadowy conducts, or Sam Blacketer's COI with sockpuppetry (how the latter still have "admin tools" by the way). Krill should not resign in my opinion.--Caspian blue 22:05, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned, and obviously this is just my opinion, it shows an appalling lack of good judgement and a total misreading of the community. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 06:17, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that is your opinion.--Caspian blue 20:29, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Insadong

On July 15, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Insadong, which you recently nominated. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 03:38, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey, congratulations! I wonder how we got it on the mainpage with all that spam in it? ;) Dekkappai (talk) 05:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I thought we deleted that article a long time ago. Is it still full of spam links? ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:30, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Congrats! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:41, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, guys, the article can be said to be based on "spams" in the first chapter of Alice's wonder land's law, but come on. ;)--Caspian blue 19:28, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's not entirely Spam... I'd say it's more Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, baked beans, Spam, Spam, Spam and Spam. Dekkappai (talk) 20:11, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Mmmm...fried spam. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:18, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Right, spam is a good ingredient for making budae jjigae. I can't imagine the casserole without the presence of fatty spam, - it is like a kimchi jjigae without kimchi.--Caspian blue 20:20, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I like kimchi. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:23, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

(ecX2) You know, Spam is considered something of an exotic delicacy in Korea. According to my friends, when President Johnson visited the country, the Koreans gave him "Bude-jjigae" (hot, spicy Korean soup with Spam in it) as "American food". And actually, though I'm no fan of spam, bude-jjigae isn't bad :) There's also a Korean variant of fried spam, done in a tempura-like batter... Dekkappai (talk) 20:24, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

I just wanted to say thank you. The support from such a dedicated, insightful, and valuable editor really made my day. I often get discouraged here, but when I run across a couple threads like I have recently, it makes it all worthwhile. Thank you Caspian! — Ched :  ?  21:52, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Ched, thank you for the kind message. I appreciate your efforts to make more comfortable and amicable Wiki-environment for everyone. I hope you keep doing the good work! --Caspian blue 22:07, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Block_summary

Hello, Caspian blue. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. — Aitias // discussion 22:29, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Trying to end the dispute at Joseon Dynasty

Caspian,

If you're interested in getting drawn into an old problem page.... I've made an attempt to end the age-old edit war at Joseon Dynasty, with a suggestion 'here. I'm hoping this suggestion will draw some constructive comments instead of more drama and back-and-forth; if you know anything about this topic, your input would be welcome. Thanks, rʨanaɢ /_contribs 04:02, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Rjanag, thank you for the message. However, I'm too easily getting burned out during summer, so I've been avoiding getting into editing any articles that need a lot of research and discussion. If the dispute is not going to end sooner or later, well, I will chime in there.--Caspian blue 12:54, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Patsy's Pizzeria

Thanks very much for the photo. WOuld you be willing to add it to the DYK nom for July 20? The last time I tried to add a photo I almost broke Misplaced Pages. Also, I've been dying to make 8 year old jokes, but I don't want to get in trouble with you. But it's very hard no to because I think it would be funny. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:48, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I will link the photo to the spot. As for that-age-joke-thing, you'd do better not to. But I don't mind you start a discussion on midlife crisis and maturity. I love talking about psychology.--Caspian blue 00:17, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for putting the photo up with the hook! I am very passionate about pizza. I would much rather make childish jokes than discuss middle-age. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:56, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I rarely eat pizza. I think you can love Korean pancake. Anyway, you know age does not always go along with maturity. Very old men can make childish jokes while young child can say very maturely. :)--Caspian blue 03:02, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I prefer Korean BBQ (and squid of course!). You might have insights into this AfD Jun Seo Hahm. But maybe you have to wait until the end of No Drama Days 2009? Cheerios! ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:16, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I did not sign up for it because I'm active in WP:FPC, but since Dekkappai and you are active supporters of the hilarious trial, I'm letting the page on my watchlist.--Caspian blue 17:25, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Special Barnstar
		Thankyou for improving the Iraqi cuisine article. Izzedine (talk) 18:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I never expected to get this barnster for my contribution to the article. I'm pleased with the recognition.--Caspian blue 01:12, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

SPEECH!!! SPEECH!!! ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:59, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Korean Culture Question ^^

First one is regarding my Korean penpal, here. I'm trying to learn conversational language, too. Is it a cultural taboo to call him on the telephone? What are the rules of being pen pals from the Korean vantage point?

Secondly, I love to cook! What is a Korean dish that allows a lot of "chef freedom" for the chef to significantly change the dish? I do not mess with "authentic dishes" that upset people when you don't follow the ingredients exactly. (for example, I made Cuban sandwiches for my friend who is Cuban and I put lettuce and tomato on the dish!) I have looked at the Korean barbecue page and also the Korean cuisine page, as well as searched youtube. I think I can create any of the dishes I've seen; but, I want to know the cultural rules of what dishes afford a lot of creative freedom in the dish and will allow me to infuse the dish with artistic expression. Thanks in advance, for being so helpful! 윤리윤리윤리 (talk) 01:21, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

It is good for you to have a penpal (email?) friend to get to know Korean culture. If your friend agrees to talk with you on the phone and his speaking English is good enough to communicate with you, why wouldn't be a cultural taboo? However, well, if the person lives in Korea, well, you can use Skype (though I never use it before), so you would not need to worry about the international phone bill charges. As for the food, I edit Korean cuisine articles a lot, but rarely cook for myself in the real life, so I don't know what to recommend to you. Grilling meat does not require hard cooking skills if you do not expect "superb tastes", so why don't you try to have samgyeopsal? ^^ --Caspian blue 19:23, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Or you can try to make Jeon (dish), Korean pancakes. You can chop or slice off any vegetable or mix together, and than pan-fry the ingredient on a pan with vegetable oil. As long as the batter consistency is good, you would have a nice dish.--Caspian blue 19:36, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

That's good advice. Skype is a lot simpler. I was browsing your user page and was amazed that you have worked on those two articles I have read on Korean food! What a great interest. I listen to Wonder Girls and try to browse some Korean art. I already love the Hangul. I actually picked Korea over the other countries I was considering because the writing system is almost instinctive for me. I like how the characters describe your mouth/jaw/tongue shape to produce the sound. I thought to myself--how thoughtful and helpful is that! I'll come back with my next question in a week. I want to do some culture research myself and get your feedback if I am on the right track to self-learning. Thanks so much; and, I'm so glad to have bumped into you so early in my Misplaced Pages career! 안녕히 가세요, ttyl, thanks again, 윤리윤리윤리 (talk) 02:51, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

outing

thanks for commenting on that. Only so you know, I was hoping to get quick acknowledgement from the editor and word they wouldn't do it again so I could swiftly unblock. However, I think it was muddled by the nationalist squabbling among all of those editors, whom I thought could be dealt with one by one. Sometimes in trying things, they don't spin up the way we want. Cheers, Gwen Gale (talk) 11:44, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for stopping by. Well, with the blocking, you were invited to join one of the muddiest zones of English Misplaced Pages....since they are all famous for a tendentious Eastern Europe ArbCom case. Even if you would have changed the block setting to some period of time, none would be against you since his harassment is harassment that should be stopped. However the complainer is not innocent either...as far as I've known by their frequent ANI/AN3/AE activities.--Caspian blue 15:03, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Just a note

FYI, I wouldn't consider myself uninvolved with User:Badagnani given my discussion at Category talk:Polish-language surnames and the like regarding the issues of surnames by country, which was part of his dispute (not that that would stop a lot of admins from acting). Either way, it's all calmed down a bit now. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:08, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Big root

Nagaimo? ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh and it's very nice here by the beach. I thought you should know. What kind of ice cream is good there? Do you go for the international brands or some kind of red bean variety? Shave ice? Is there some other cold treat I should know about? ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:01, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

As for the "big root", did you mean your observation of Koreans eating a big root while you were on trip to Seoul some years ago? Well, some (especially middle aged men) people eat it as a drink for some stamina...

Well, I drank up 12 cans of sikhye, Korean rice punch today, that is really refreshing and palatable. You can find it in any Korean market. I'm heavily replying on naengmyeon (buckwheat noodles in cold clean soup). Although I'm a big fan of Häagen-Dazs, I love patbingsu. The Korean franchise, Red Mango has a shop in LA, so you might try some frozen yoghurt bingsu there. And I'm no mood to edit articles other than uploading images until the hot weather is calming down. I want to visit the place where the Snow Queen would live, but if you want to join me you should be very careful since "the Troll" in the fairy tale could produce a mirror that distorts and freeze anything. :)--Caspian blue 05:41, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Didn't we have a very long discussion about what the very long root I saw was? I think that's it.

I like Red Mango, but there isn't one nearby. But I discovered on here that Cefiore is part of the Todai (restaurant) buffet empire. I like their yogurt. I always liked Haagen Dazs coffee ice cream and coffee shakes. I was ahead of my time, before all this frappacino craziness came about. I'm off to investigate the other desserts you've offered up. Poor Badagnani is blocked. Not a good outcome at all. But I'm happy so see you guys are close friends now. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:09, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, the definition of "friendship" on Misplaced Pages may differ from mine. He and I have many up-and-downs, but I consider him a colleague whose his general contribution is much more beneficial to the community than those who only tag minor things with automatic tools or harass and accuse people who disagree with their own forceful interpretation of the policy. I did not defend his problematic behavior, but defend "his valid right to defend himself" in the absurd community (and they are involved people) decision. I still think that complainers should be equally judged by ArbCom. I wish he stand firm and defend himself in more calm ways. If I were him, I would have revealed several malicious sockpuppetry cases to harass him not only on English Misplaced Pages, but also on Commons to ANI. Then, he would have gotten a valid sympathy that he deserves.--Caspian blue 17:58, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Well put. All the heat has made you a cool character. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:35, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I notice by the way that you are a big fan of sandwich articles, but are all for merging unique and interesting article subjects like cake-in-a-mug. Interesting. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, you can call me the first Earl of Corned Beef Sandwich...who has no plan to be betrothed to Princess Cake-in-a-Mug.--Caspian blue 22:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm worried the heat is causing you delusions of grandeur. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

No worries for the wonderland-thingy comment. Even though I'm pretty weak at the hot weather, today is a rainy day, so my conscience is quite good today and my sandwich is safe as well. :-) Caspian blue 23:45, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Winter images from Flickr

Where the Snow Queen may live (invite me...)

from one who hates hot summer days without my buddy. Caspian blue 05:30, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

ANI comments to Roux

Comments like this "You don't in my observation. Your personal attacks to me speak for themselves. Roux, I really want you to refrain from perpetuating such the typical behaviors to people. You should face that your proposals are not always welcome to people. Instead of personal attacks, you need to focus on the topic. Will you?" ( ) were unnecessarily provocative to Roux.

Please don't poke people like that. The proposals unreasonability was evident to many users - engaging with Roux and getting angry with him didn't help. You crossed the line into being uncivil back and that did not help the situation.

Please be more careful in the future. If the issue is clear to everyone, and I think this was, everyone will see that and others who are not in conflict with that user can respond without escalating.

Thank you. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:40, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the notice and effort to tide down the dispute. I will heed your advice. However, one thing you miss is that Roux's proposal at this point is really unhelpful and he attacked me first. Roux called me many unacceptable names and made unfound accusations as he always did to me (like sockpupetry accusation the other day). If that is my only evaluation on his gross incivility, he would not be reported to WP:WQA "two times" in the recent months. The reports are by two individual admins in good standing whom I highly respect. I wonder why he is not sanctioned for such typical behaviors, so he continues doing so. It is obvious that he and I have a different language and interpretation on incivility and development for Misplaced Pages, so I've avoided contacting him, but the issue at this time is about several editor's Wiki-career (quite many). Banning all editors who once edited the disputed article in the 90 days? That is a very dangerous idea against the spirit of Misplaced Pages - Here is a collaborative place that encourage for peaceful cooperation rather than such the punitive wholesome topic-banning without much consideration. Even though he is angry with my valid criticism, that is his job that he should face and acknowledge that his ban proposal is not always welcome. And as for the other day, he was blocked, though not by you, but by other admin. I wish he should stick to WP:CIVILITY and No personal attack. I would of course try to be not provoked by his behavior that I'm well aware. I appreciate your effort anyway. Thanks--Caspian blue 02:07, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK

Thanks! Well I thought seems as it was I who presented it to you you should do the same! Dr. Blofeld 21:44, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Hehe. Enjoy your new shinny medal. :-) Caspian blue 21:46, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

• Thank you very much, Caspian blue. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 17:59, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Cheers!--Caspian blue 18:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

South Korea / Dangun

No offense meant, or anything personal of course. I'll stay off that article, and Japan, and Tokdo/Takeshima and George W. Bush, and, and, and.... Anyway, just blowing off a little steam accumulated from living among the "true believers" for so long ;) Regards. Dekkappai (talk) 21:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject TRANSWIKI

Hello Caspian. I've recently set up a new translation project. I haven't started a Korean one yet because I'm sure you said something abotu Korean wikipedia not being very good. The idea of the project is to identify missing articles primarily and then start them if the information is up to scratch and they can be supported by reliable references. Would you be interested in such a project and drawing up lists of missing articles? If so I'd galdy create one for Korean translations. Note the project can also be used as a way to store missing articles in general so if you know of a bank of missing articles from a reliable site etc these can be red linked too. Dr. Blofeld 13:44, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Blofeld, I think the idea is a very good one since Misplaced Pages misses many important subjects on Korea, the project could be useful. --Caspian blue 15:30, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Hokay, I'll set one up for us! Dr. Blofeld 16:10, 2 August 2009 (UTC) Welcome to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject TRANSWIKI/Korean! Once the templates are fixed, tomorrow I'll set up the sub sections by topic and then we will be free to draw up missing lists in the project space. Dr. Blofeld 16:18, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Awesome! I will make drafts on to-do-list after your work is done. --Caspian blue 17:26, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Kumdo

Thank you for your revert on kumdo done by User:Globalmartialart. Nanominori (talk) 13:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, if the editor revers without reason nor any attempt to discuss, then the user would be in trouble soon like AN3. --Caspian blue 13:43, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Although it may be rude to impose such question, what can I do to prevent User:Globalmartialart from reverting articles to his POV/unsourced edits on kumdo? I have continuously reverting and adding references to unreferenced ones with NPOV for the last week, but User:Globalmartialart keeps undoing NPOV+referenced edits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nanominori (talk • contribs) 13:56, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Then your options would be several things. 1) Request for comments on the issue so that other people could comment on it and gauge the consensus. If he/she is persistently against the consensus then -> taking to ANI 2) File a WP:MED or seek WP:3O if the dispute gets serious but with the assumption that the opponent would give some opinion on the talk, if not that would be useless 3) Or you can report him/her to WP:ANI for the chronicle POV pushing and disruption.--Caspian blue 14:04, 3 August 2009 (UTC)